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The Trade Deadline will be upon us soon. My premise is that the Twins as constructed are not true contenders but are close; they could move into true contenders status with an upgrade or two. To me, that means it's time to seek a trade while being careful about the cost. Let's start with what we need between the starting rotation, bullpen, and starting lineup: What We Need Starting Rotation - This is our biggest drop off from last season and the this is the area of our biggest need IMHO. The starting staff's current ERA is 4.67, with a 4.11 FIP. In 2023, the starting staff of the 3.82 ERA, and a 3.73 FIP. The primary differences are (1) we've replaced Gray (2.79 ERA/2.83 FIP) with Paddack (5.26 ERA/4.17 FIP) and Varland (9.18 ERA/7.65 FIP), and Pablo Lopez is not the same pitcher, at least so far, with his ERA going from 3.66 to to 5.45 and his FIP from 3.33 to 4.15. I would argue that we've actually improved in the fifth starter position with Woods – Richardson at a 2.84 ERA with a 3.55 FIP, as compared to Maeda's 4.26 ERA and 3.96 FIP. The 2024 Starters giving up basically .75 more runs a game is a real difference. Lineup - This is our secondary need. Our team BA, OBP, and SLG are all down, as is true across baseball. More importantly since the games are won and lost based on runs scored, the Twins have moved from 10th most runs scored in baseball to 16th, and the eye test tells me we are much less consistent in the order. We can certainly use another bat either from my minor-league promotion or in a trade. Given the offense of struggles around baseball, however, that is going to be expensive. Bullpen - I actually think we're good here. This year's bullpen has a ERA/FIP/X FIP/line of 3.59/3.74/3.88 , as compared to last year's 3.95/4.14/4.19. This also seems to comport with the eye test. Now injuries could kill the current bullpen although I think we actually have more depth than last year and will have less of a need to give innings to washed up vets and unproven minor leaguers. Also, we could strengthen the bullpen even further if we pick up a starting pitcher and move Paddack bullpen and/or do what I think is inevitable for at least 2024 and move Varland to the bullpen. Conclusion - What we really need is another starting pitcher and it would be very helpful although less essential to get another bat. The other thing we really need is for Pablo Lopez to pitch like the 2023 version instead of the 2024 version although that alone is not enough. Who Can We Get and What Will It Cost We now get into the realm of the truly subjective when projecting who is available and what the cost would be. What I'm doing here is only listing players that have been listed by more respected sources as being made available by their teams. This is always going to be subjective, but fun. I'm only listing players who have control past this year. NO rentals. I'm not interested in trading prospects for two months of anyone who isn't at least as good as Aaron Judge. This team isn't so close to a World Series title that it's worth trading for rental. I also have included anybody within over $15 million year contract since that's a hard pass for this front office. When you eliminate the rentals, the picture becomes a lot clearer. I'm interested in everyone's opinions. Who appears to be available: Starting Pitchers - Jesus Luzardo (Marlins) - 2.5 years of control through 2026, $5.5 million contract this year Tyler Anderson (Angels) - signed through 2025, $13m a season in 2024 aand 2025 Patrick Sandoval (Angels) - controlled through 2026, $5.025 million contract this year Trevor Williams (Nats) - $6m 2024, $7m 2025 (former reliever turned starter this year) Erick Fedde (White Sox) - $6.5m 2024, $7.5m 2025 Lucas Erceg (As) - pre-arbitration, controlled through 2030 Bats - Taylor Ward (LF, Angels) - Controlled through 2026, $4.8 million contract this year - (.247/.324/.431 (.754), 112 OPS+, 11 HRs, 34 RBIs in 239 Abs Randy Arozarena (LF, Rays) - controlled through 2026, it $8.1 million contract this year - (.179/.288/.326 (.614) in 2024, lifetime .780 OPS, 123 OPS+) Luis Rengifo (2B, Angels) - controlled through 2025, $4.4 million contract this year - (.316/.367/.488 (.815), 130 OPS+) Isaac Paredes (3B, Rays) - controlled through 2027, $3.4 million contract this year - (.288/.373/.482(.855), 146 OPS+) Brent Rooker (OF/DH, As) - controlled through 2027, $750,000 contract this year - (.270/.356/.541 (.897), 159 OPS+ Jazz Chisholm (2B/CF, Marlins) - controlled through 2026, $2.625 million contract this year - (.249/.316/.429 (.745), 107 OPS+) Jo Adell (Corner OF, Angels) - controlled through 2027, $770,000 contract this year (.189/.253/.426 (.679). 88 OPS+ This leaves me with three ways to go. First is to trade for Jesus Lusardo, probably the best starter of the bunch. He will cost us a top 100 prospect and Gabriel Gonzalez will not be enough. The second would be to trade for combination of Taylor Ward or Luis Rengifo and Tyler Anderson from the Angels. We might be able to get away without a top 100 prospect or Gonzalez being that prospect as part of a package. The third would be the trade for our old friend Brent Rooker. Hard to believe he will be 30 years old in November. You have to think he will cost 2 or 3 B/B+ level prospects. Here are my thoughts in a couple of packages - Option 1: Twins get: Tyler Anderson and Taylor Ward Angels get: Trevor Larnach or Matt Wallner, Luke Keaschall or Tanner Scholbel, and Marco Raya or Corey Lewis, plus A ball guy Option 2: Twins get: Tyler Anderson, Luis Rengifo Angels get: Edouard Julien, 2 of Louie Varland, Zebby Matthews, Jaylen Nowlin, Either Varland and Nowlin, or Matthews, Nowlin, and a decent non-pitching prospect like Schobel or Rosario. Option 3: Twins get; Jesus Luzardo and Jazz Chisholm Marlins get; Brooks Lee, Louie Varland, Luke Keaschall Option 4: Twins get: Brent Rooker As get: Marco Raya, Tanner Schobel What does everyone think? Are there good trade targets out there that I'm missing that are controllable beyond 2024? Remember, I'm assuming were not interested in rental since there isn't one guy out there that would take us over the top, not even Pete Alonso. Am I overpaying for any of these guys? Inquiring minds want to know . . .

I live in LA and have seen these guys. there are 4 players we should look into - Taylor Ward, Luis Rengifo, Tyler Anderson and Carlos Estevez. Ward is solid, not a star, but a good RH hitting power hitter who plays a pretty good LF. Controlled through 2026. Anderson was good in 2022, lousy last year, and has been good this year. He is in the second year of a three year, $39 million contract that is even at 13 million a year. Solid mid rotation left-handed starter that doesn't have a big contract. Estevez was the Angels closer last year and is this year. 31 years old with a decent track record, but would help our bullpen. Rengifo is 27, hitting over .300 this year after hitting .264 last year with a .784 OPS, over .800 OPS so far this year. A little stressed at shortstop and a very good second baseman, would be a guy we can plug and play for the next 3 to 5 years at second base. Getting $4.4 million this year, last year of arbitration in 2025. None of these guys are a big star but all of them could be very solid additions, particularly Anderson, Rengifo and Ward. None should cost one of our Top 100 prospects, but will require at least a solid return. Here's my two trade thoughts: Option 1: Twins get: Tyler Anderson and Taylor Ward Angels get: Trevor Larnach or Matt Wallner, Luke Keaschall or Tanner Scholbel, and Marco Raya or Corey Lewis, plus A ball guy Option 2: Twins get: Tyler Anderson, Luis Rengifo Angels get: Edouard Julien, 2 of Louie Varland, Zebby Matthews, Jaylen Nowlin, Either Varland and Nowlin, or Matthews, Nowlin, and a decent non-pitching prospect like Schobel or Rosario. In either scenario, Twins get help for this year in return for future potential solid major league players or better, including at least one guy who is major league ready or close, either Larnach, Wallner, or Julien. I would actually be willing to trade Kirilloff instead but I don't think there's any market for him at this point given his injury status and his poor performance this year when he is allegedly healthy. I don't think anybody else as much interest in him at all. I'm doing this because I think having a solid left-handed starter would really really help this team. I would put Paddack in the bullpen for now and have him as the #6 starter. I think Varland is going to wind up in the BP long-term and don't see him a staring pitching depth. Fortunately, Woods-Richardson has shown so far that he could be a long-term starting pitcher but after that were really projecting guys did not yet even dominated AAA. Adding Anderson or Jesus Luzardo from Miami would really stabilize the rotation, the area that would have the biggest drop off from last season, and adding a consistent hitter would help the lineup. It's the classic short-term versus long-term but I do think the system enough to survive something like this.

The Twins are 0-14 against the Guardians, Orioles, and Yankees; 33-15 against the rest of MLB. What that tells me is what's probably pretty obvious to all; we are a solid to pretty good team that cannot go toe to toe with the elite teams in the AL. This just smells like an 87-92 win season, a Wild Card berth with Cleveland winning the division, a win in the first round, and a quick second round exit. We're close, but not good enough. How do we make the incremental changes necessary to fix this so we can really contend? Lewis helps, and Lopez pitching like a #1 or #2 starter would help even more. There's possible lineup help in AAA between Julien, Wallner, and Lee, but that's likely to be more at the margins than in the middle of the order. The bullpen is probably good enough IF Stewart comes back. Still, we're short a higher end starter and could really use another bat. Very unlikely we can or will find both. I think the answer is staring us in the face - trade for Luzardo or Weathers from the Marlins. Don't be afraid to give up multiple MiLB players including Gabriel Gonzalez, Luke Keaschall, and Marco Ryan. Try for quantity over quality and keep Emma, Lee, Festa, and Jenkins, but don't be afraid to include one of the AAA/MLB guys - Wallner, Varland, Larnach, Kirilloff, or Martin if you need to. Count on AAA reinforcements and improvement for the lineup and trade from surplus, but improve the starting pitching now while we can. A package that includes 2 of the 3 MiLB players I mentioned plus a couple of less heralded players might be enough or one of them plus one of the AAA/MLB players. That's what I would be looking to do by the 4th of July.

Not surprised Buxton and Kepler aren't playing tonight. Neither is hitting a lick whereas Miranda, Margot and Santana have been carrying the team offensively for the last 2 weeks. Now playing Vasquez instead of Jeffers and not DHing Lewis instead of Kirilloff? Hard to stomach.

I understand your hesitancy. Dealing Lee works IF you have Lewis, Miranda, Correa, and Julien all available to be playing regularly. If you don't, he's the first man up for all of them. I would take the risk but completely understand if others would not.

I'd go the other way and give up one highly ranked guy and a lower ranked guy or two for Luzardo. Maybe Lee and Martin? Or Lee and Schobel plus Bowen? Or use Gabriel Gonzalez as the headliner in the same kind of package? I agree that we shouldn't trade Emma or Festa. If we believe that Julien can come back to the 2023 version (and I do) Lee is little redundant with Julien, Correa, Lewis, and Miranda all ahead of him. Trade from surplus to get what you want or need.

While I would rather keep Lee, I do think the Twins should be open to a trade but only if the is the primary return is a starting pitcher. To me, the obvious target is Jesus Luzardo of Miami. Maybe of Lee plus a non-pitching B/B+ level prospect like Schobel, Martin, or maybe Helman for Luzardo makes sense. Try to then sign Luzardo to a multi year deal at 10-15m a year since he has 2.5 years of arb left and you have your top 4 starters set up for the next 3-5 years when you add in Ryan and Ober.

I like your lineup. I actually like Castro in the leadoff spot and really like Lewis in the 2 hole. I would switch Larnach and Kepler for now since Kepler's just not hitting right now.

Following up on my last post, here's the lineup I would like to see tonight against a RH starter: 1 - Larnach LF or Castro 2B 2 - Correa SS 3- Lewis 3B 4- Miranda IB 5 - Kirilloff DH 6 - Castro 2B 7 - Jeffers C 8 - Kepler RF 9 - Buxton CF Send a message. Hit and you're in the top half. Don't hit, and you're at the bottom until you work your way up.

This is our real offensive problem and it's not just Jeffers. OPS for the last 15 games - Jeffers .568, Kepler .608 (.282 over the last 7 games), Buxton .553 (.126, for the last 7, .640 for the year), and Correa .686 (.424 for the last 7). The expected core of the batting order has been putrid for 2 weeks. The Twins have been carried offensively for the last 2 weeks by Jose Miranda, with help to a certain extent by Willi Castro, Alex Kirilloff, Trevor Larnach, and yes, Manuel Margot and even Santana and Farmer. Makes some of the lineup decisions make a little more sense than they appear at first glance - like sitting Kepler for Margot, dropping Buxton in the order, giving more playing time to Margot, Santana, and Farmer, and making sure Miranda gets 3-4 ABs a game. It's a long season with ebbs and flows and those top 4 guys hopefully will get it back together. I have confidence in Jeffers and Correa, not as much in Kepler, and not a lot in Buxton at this point. Just pointing this out because we all seem to react to low output by saying DFA Margot, bench Santana, make the catching rotation 70/30 Jeffers, leave Farmer on the bench, play Kepler against LHs, call up Keirsey, etc., me included. Looking at these stats over the last 2 weeks does make me wonder if Baldelli may be making the only decisions he can because the lineup we thought was the right one with Jeffers, Kepler, Buxton, and Correa in the 2-6 holes looks like a lineup that can't score runs even if we put Lewis in the middle. Get ready for more lineups with Miranda and Lewis in the 3 and 4 holes, and more Margot and Santana in the short term.

There's an opening at 2B. The Twins would be a better team with Castro in a super utility/4th OF role particularly now that Keirsey is hurt since Castro is really the only backup CF we have that can play at the MLB level. Lee and/or Julien can get to the MLB level with superior play over the next month. I hope one of them shows enough to make it up. In a perfect world, Julien gets back to where he was in 2023 and Lee develops into a solid ascending MLB level player. They take the spots currently occupied by Farmer and Santana in 2025. It would be great if one could take one of those spots for the second half of 2024. Here's hoping . . .

Just looked. He is on the 7 day IL in AAA. Has been since May 29.

You've hit the problem. To bring up Keirsey you have to lose someone from the 40 man, either demote Kirilloff or DFA Margot, AND you need to play a LH hitter in LF against LH starting pitching. We are then kind of stuck if Margot is claimed or traded and Keirsey flops. Having said that, with Lewis up you now have a solid RH hitting DH in Miranda so we should be able to survive having a Larnach or Kirilloff in LF against LH pitching with Miranda and Santana both in the lineup. I think this is worth the risk given how little Margot gives the team. I would keep Kirilloff in MLB, DFA or trade Margot (to ATL for cash or an A ball guy?), and call up Keirsey. If this fails because Keirsey can't hit MLB pitching and neither Larnach or Kirilloff can hit enough to play LF against LH starters, then the fall back is Martin or a trade. I think we do that in the short term so we have 4-5 weeks to see how it works before the trade deadline.

Well analyzed. I think it will be interesting to see how Lewis impacts the offense. and not just by his production. His presence may have an impact on those around him. I think we saw a little bit of it last night when the Yankees clearly wanted very little to do with him the first 2 times up and then finally pitched to him in the 7th and he homered. That's probably the last time he sees a middle in fastball this week. Our offensive problem has been that we have to rely on guys to hit in the middle of the order who aren't really up to the task. Kepler, Jeffers, and Miranda are all streaky and better suited to hitting 5-7 than 3-5. Buxton looks to be regressing to a low average power hitter who plays good D and hits 7 or 8. Correa is a good 2 or 6 hitter but not a middle of the order guy. Castro, Larnach and Kirilloff are 6-9 types. The vets are fill ins and any offense is gravy. What we really haven't have are consistent hitters for the 3 and 4 spots. Lewis fills one of those spots hopefully. That should allow other guys to hit in a little lower pressure spots in the spots in the order to which they are more suited. I'm hopeful that Lewis will hit 3 going forward with Correa 2. We need one of the LH hitters to step up and be able to hit 4 - Kepler or Larnach - with the other hitting 6, Jeffers and Miranda 5 and 7, and Buxton and Kirilloff/Santana 6 and 8. I would also consider leading off Castro since he has a .330 OBP in the last 30 games, .379 in the last 15. The offense will improve with Lewis in the lineup both because he can hit and because it lets other guys hit where they should rather than being forced into higher pressure spots than they can handle.

This is a little worrisome until you remember that record was compiled without Lewis. It seems like the offense has tended to disappear against good pitching, last night being a good example. Lewis has hit against good pitching and tough competition. He may help that issue a lot.

IF this happens, it points out the continuing flaw in the roster - the lack of a backup CF other than Castro. There is no reason Castro should play LF except in a pinch. Larnach needs to play and Margot hits LHs fairly well, albeit with absolutely no power. Moreover, if Larnach falls off then you have to give those LF ABs to Kirilloff. The only reason Farmer should play 2B more than once a week is because Castro has to spell Buxton in CF. Otherwise, Castro should be the everyday 2B with Farmer the 26th guy/defensive replacement. We need a guy who can play CF behind Buxton. Keirsey is the obvious answer at least in the field. So we're back to the pre-existing question. How do you get Keirsey up? Has to be in place of Kirilloff or Margot unless there's an injury. And you have to drop someone from the 40 man (Boushley? Canterino to 60 day IL?) to give him a chance. Still would like to see Keirsey up in place of Margot but that's a pipe dream at this point.

As pointed out above, Cleveland will come back to the pack if only because their schedule turns from 29th easiest to 8th toughest while the Twins go from 8th toughest to 24th easiest. I think the division will still be there for the taking in September. I agree with your analysis of where we have been but I think the Twins will be a better than middle of the pack statistical offense by year end. The addition of Lewis alone will help and also get Castro in the lineup at 2B most every day instead of the Julien/Farmer platoon. I expect a 2B split of 80% Castro/ 20% Farmer until Lee is ready. Remember, Castro is one of the best hitters in the Al against LH pitching so there isn't a need for the strict platoon. I think Larnach is now healthy and settling in as the starting LF against RH pitching, and much as I'd like to trade the guy, Margot is actually been hitting LHs well lately and is up to .287/.344/.370 against LHs this year. We also have out two biggest strike out artists now in AAA in Wallner and Julien. Finally, with Miranda now out of a daily position I expect to see him as the DH regularly and at both 3B and 1B on occasion, with Jeffers behind the plate more often to get his bat in the lineup over Vasquez since he won't DH as much (more 2/1 ratio than a 1/1 ratio). That will improve the offensive production at DH and IB. Also, better bats on the bench most days since one of Kirilloff, Santana, Miranda, and Jeffers will not be playing most days. Bottom line should be that most of the Lewis ABs going forward should take the place of ABs for Farmer, Santana, and Vasquez when the lineup changes ripple through. I see better offensive days ahead.

Agreed. Wallner has not hit well at all in AAA or MLB this year. Let's not forget how bad he was for the Twins earlier this season. He needs to hit consistently well for 6 weeks or so in AAA before he should be a consideration for the Twins. I don't think he is even on the radar before August 1 or so and then only if he's hitting well.

While I agree that a DFA of Margot would be a better result, I think we all saw this coming. I actually think this isn’t going to change the batting order a lot. Castro will wind up playing. 2B almost every day, and Larnach and Margot will be the platoon in LF now that Larnach’s turf toe has healed enough for him to play in the field. That opens up the DH spot and I would expect Lewis to be there 30 to 35% of the time while Miranda plays 3B, with Miranda there another 30 to 35% of the time. I’m hopeful that Miranda will play 1B a couple of times a week as well and I think he will be a part of the DH rotation. Lewis coming up will cost Miranda, Santana, and Kirilloff some ABs, and may cost Buxton and Jeffers some time at DH. We basically have four guys playing three positions with Lewis and those three playing 3B, DH, 1B, I would expect to see three of the four in the lineup almost every day, so there won’t be a lot of DH and bats available for anybody else.

Agreed on Varland. I frankly think that his only chance of pitching at the MLB level this year will be out of injury desperation or, more likely, out of the bullpen come August. I know starters are more valuable and make more money so I completely understand giving him every opportunity to show he can be a major-league starting pitcher. Still, it's looking more and more like he's not going to be able to do that, at least not this year, and he's already shown us that he could be a very impactful high leverage major-league reliever. We need another high-impact arm in the bullpen. I think Varland's best shot of helping the Twins in 2024 is going to be as a backend bullpen guy the last couple months of the season.

I agree that a phantom, I mean minor yet requiring attention, injury is the most likely outcome here. Yet I actually wonder if in all seriousness there might be a market for a trade of Margot. He's actually hitting .300/.364/.333 over his last 15 games with 30 AB's, 3 Walks and only two SOs over that time. Yes, no power and a majority of those at bats have been against left-handed pitching. Still, if he can even stay within 30 points of the batting average and OB P numbers those are not bad numbers for fourth outfielder or short side platoon guy. His defense in the corners is still pretty good, not so much in center field, and he can still run a little. He's hitd even better over the last seven games so arguably he is finding his footing and becoming more the guy he's been in his career, a .260/.310/.390 (.700) type guy. In other words, basically a league average hitter who does not play a premium position. those guys are hugely valuable but they do have some value and often times that value is magnified when a team has injuries and needs a short-term solution. Isn't that the kind of guy that contending teams trade for when they have outfield injuries and don't have the high minors prospects or aren't willing to risk their season on unproven talent? I know both Atlanta (contender) and St. Louis (always thinks they're a contender) have had significant injuries in the outfield. I'm sure there are other teams in the same boat. Margot might be the kind of guy that they would be willing to acquire as a stopgap for the rest of the season or until someone with a significant injury can get back. If I were the Twins, I would be actively shopping him right now in return for a B level AA or high A prospect, or maybe a couple of A ball lottery ticket types. The Twins "replenish the farm system" and the other team gets someone who potentially helps them right now. He doesn't cost much since the Dodgers are paying most of his salary and I bet the Twins would be willing to eat $1 million of what's he's still owed or send the blocked prospect who doesn't have a high upside to make a trade work. To me, that's the long term solution. So I say we trade Margot if we can, make LF a platoon between Kirilloff and Castro, and make Miranda a 1B/3B/DH starting a minimum of four days a week. Opens up the logjam for Lewis, and helps train Miranda to be our regular 1B next year since all we got is him and Kirilloff for that spot in 2025. Hey, if this is all just a fantasy, DFA Margot and accomplish the same thing.

This is a great idea. If you make a move now, we actually can choose when Festa starts. Monday is an off day so you can have Ober start Tuesday and bring back Lopez and Ryan on regular rest Wednesday and Thursday in New York. Essentially, you simply skip Paddack’s start this time through the rotation. You then run into short starts Saturday against Pittsburgh. So, the opportunity is there to put Paddack on the 15 day IL today and have him miss effectively only two starts in three turns through the rotation with Festa getting those two starts, one on the road in Pittsburgh, and one at home against either Colorado or Oakland, depending on whether you pitch Festa on Friday or Saturday against Pittsburgh. Paddack is then back for the next time that spot opens on June 18 after an off day on June 17, which gives the other four guys an extra day on that turn. I think this is a great idea and the perfect time to do it. Actually be disappointed if the twins don’t do this in the next couple of days. Paddack is good for about 25 starts this year max. Let’s give him a break now, maybe another break in early August and have him pitching those starts when he’s as rested as possible.

If Julien goes down it will be because he isn't hitting, not because of his defense. Julien is a +3 OOA according to Baseball Savant and that matches the eye test - he's a little above average. Julien's problem is his sudden inability to hit and the fact he OBP has dropped all the way to .309 with a 34% SO rate. Still, Rocco was quoted a saying he thinks guys like Julien should try to work out their hitting problems at the MLB level so he might be staying. If Julien stays and no one gets hurt, they either got to drop Margot, Kirilloff, Larnach, or Miranda. Margot is hitting better so maybe he's tradable? If not, still an easy call for me - Margot goes.

I agree with the posters that think Miranda should be the primary 1B option 3-4 days a week, at 3B 1-2 days a week for Lewis, and an occasional DH. Basically playing 5-6 days a week. I also agree that the Twins (over)value Santana's defense and it isn't likely that Miranda will get an every day run at 1B. The DH spot is a little crowded so its hard to fond room. How about LF? I know he's an IF, not an OF, but is there any chance he can play out there? It's not like Kirilloff or Larnach are great defensive OFs and Margot is a relatively slow singles hitter. Castro may need to see time at 2B if Julien is the move to get Lewis up. Probably a bad idea but I'm wondering if it's worth a shot.

Gotta agree here. He's overpaid at $10M but that was the market when he was signed. That's a sunk cost so let's not get in the sunk cost fallacy by worrying about the contract. It is what it is. Vasquez provides real value defensively when he plays, seems to be a good mentor for Jeffers and is helping his defense, and provides leadership. I think catcher is one of the three positions on the field what defense trumps offense, with shortstop in centerfield the other two. I agree that what Vasquez brings is not worth $10 million a year, more like 3 to 5 million a year, but that's not the relevant issue. The issue is do we have someone else who's better or is there someone available who could provide more? I would argue there is not anyone in the organization at this point nor is there anyone available was going to provide better play. I think Vasquez is these worth keeping around this year and probably next year unless Camargo really breaks out. It sucks that were overpaying him but he does provide value that isn't easily replaced.