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I think Prato has the best shot of sneaking onto the roster, but that chance is like 0.5%. There's so much depth right now as Falvey has built up another giant logjam blocking prospects with cheap high floor guys. This front office feels like it's quick to write a player off, and once done, the chances of that player getting a fresh look and a shot are astronomical. For that reason, Helman (near a28) and Goodrum seem like no chance type of guys. Though both of those players would likely come with low ceilings so they'd be easy to DFA once added to the roster. Prato's got a good bat, certainly better than what some people give him credit for, and he's got good speed, though the Twins never looked at him in CF and had him as a 3B/2B player almost exclusively. While his start in AA last year was awful, it came with an impossibly poor .217 BABIP. Prato has been a wRC+ 125ish guy through his last few stops and years, and if he manages to recognize MLB pitches, he'll likely carry a very high OBP thanks to plate discipline and being a line drive type of guy who uses the whole field. That said, looking at his batted ball data does show one obvious Perkins restaurant sized giant red flag, and that's his pop-up rate. Batted ball data in the minors is tough to rely upon, though. It's worth noting the Twins left him off the 40 man and exposed him to the rule 5 draft despite that .990 OPS and solid defense in St. Paul last year. Injuries are the only way these guys would get consideration for a spot on the roster, and even if they did make the roster, I suspect Baldelli would deploy them on an emergency use basis only.

Martin is on the 40 man roster. Same spot as Miranda so neither of those guys would be non-roster guys sneaking onto the 26 man.

Outs Above Average has a glaring issue. Positioning. A fielder who positions themselves well and thus doesn't have to make as many highlight reel plays doesn't get credited for it. OAA is more like a defensive ceiling, a way to rate a player's physical capabilities, especially when it comes to infielders. It's also the least stable of the metrics IMHO, often wildly swinging back and forth from year to year for the same player. Of course, the older metrics have their issues as well. Range Factor cares only how many plays were made by a fielder compared to other fielders in the league. For example, a team which deploys the shift a lot would likely see their shortstop making far more plays than they normally would. Thus, their RF/9 would potentially be inflated vs. the league average. Older Zone Ratings section up the field into tons of little zones and assign some "zones" for each position to cover. These methodologies don't account for shifts, holding defenders accountable to cover their sections of the field, regardless of whether or not the fielder is actually present to make the play, and the metric doesn't care about batted ball data, like how hard balls are hit or the kind of hit it is. Ultimate zone rating does use batted ball data. How hard the ball is hit. Where the ball is hit. The type of batted ball, and it throws out the plays where there is a defensive shift on as those shifts change the zones a player is responsible for; however, UZR also makes assumptions on normal shifting based on base runners and situational data. In addition, UZR has park factors. Arm, double play rates, etc are also included. Players are bonused for making what should be a difficult play for the position they're playing and negative bonuses if they flub what should be an easy play for the position based on their peers' performances. The bonuses are somewhat limited, having an impact sort of like grading on a a curve. It then compares how many outs a player records vs. the league average players. UZR is an incredibly sophisticated metric, not some throwback to a bygone era. It is not your grandpa's old "Zone Rating" Defensive Runs Saved also uses the same BIS batted ball data like Ultimate Zone Rating, but it's passively active for shifts by recompiling shift data for the entire team. DRS is also less forgiving on plus/minus calculations penalizing more for not making what would be considered a routine play and bonusing more for making a play which would be considered difficult based on the position and the batted ball data. DRS also incorporates a ball timer, and has a subjective metric instead of plays being ruled errors or non-errors which are potential advantages over UZR. Like UZR, DRS is also highly sophisticated. Since all the metrics have their flaws, relying on a single metric as gospel is sketchy, and when you have a single metric which stands out opposite of all the rest of the metrics, it seems pretty dubious to ignore the discrepancies.

The Twins will probably not be 100% healthy with nobody going onto the IL, but also 29 other teams will not be 100% healthy. There's a fair likelihood somebody will be calling and inquiring about guys like Farmer knowing Minnesota has a lot of depth and they were looking to move additional pieces. Still a month before opening day. I'm actually very surprised Falvey wasn't able to move Farmer at his $6MM salary. As a full time player, he's passable as a starting infielder.

Agreed. There's not a lot of room for anybody in the minors to make a huge impact on the positional side of things. Especially given Castro's presence on the roster and his ability to probably play anywhere except catcher. Miranda might have a chance to get some plate appearances as he's blocked by Kirilloff, who has an injury history which is a tale similar to Buxton's. Miranda would be a much better play against right handed pitching because even though Santana is a switch hitter, he's ineffective from the left side. Kinda like Aaron Hicks. Also, from a RH DH perspective, Miranda wouldn't be a terrible fit, though the ceiling on his bat might limit his impact. With a whole lot of what I consider to be questionable starters in the rotation either from an injury history or performance history, I'd think pitchers who can slot into the rotation have a major advantage in terms of potential impact. Woods-Richardson, Varland, and Festa are at the top of my list. If Woods-Richardson's adjustments allow him to throw strikes, he'll have the highest ceiling of the 3 IMHO.

Arraez is a pretty solid fielder at 2B by every single metric except Statcast's stuff. Head to head vs. Polanco and Julien, Arraez beats Polanco in all 5 metrics in 2023 and Julien finishes dead last in 4 of 5 metrics. From a career perspective, Arraez ties Polanco and beats Julien in 4 of 5 metrics again. At the end of the day, Arraez is recording the outs at a better than league average rate at 2B... Arraez vs. Polanco vs. Julien 2023 4.2 vs. (6.3) vs. (7.6) = UZR/150 4.0 vs. 3.0 vs. (7.0) = Rdrs/yr DRS per 1200inn 6.0 vs. (1.0) vs. (11.0) = Rtot/yr Total Zone Runs per 1200inn (11.0) vs. (13.0) vs. 0.0 = OAA per 1200inn 0.02 vs. (0.14) vs. (0.39)= RF/9 - lgRF9Range Factor per 9inn Career (0.4) vs. (8.1) vs. (7.6) = UZR/150 1.0 vs. 1.0 vs. (7.0) = Rdrs/yr DRS per 1200inn 3.0 vs. 0.0 vs. (11.0) = Rtot/yr Total Zone Runs per 1200inn (13) vs. (8) vs. 0.0 = OAA per 1200inn (0.10) vs. 0.06 vs. (0.39) = RF/9 - lgRF9Range Factor per 9inn

Prato managed 300 innings at 2B last year as well. The Twins took a little gamble leaving him off the 40 man, but if he starts things off hot at St. Paul again this year, I'd imagine he'd be on the short list of depth options, too.

Carl Pohlad was 14 at the start of the Great Depression, and 18 when he moved to California where he sold used cars before Bing Crosby convinced Pohlad to move to Spokane, WA and play football for Gonzaga. Pohlad did not get his start by foreclosing on farmers during the Great Depression since he was 14 at the start of that era. He grew up in a level of poverty the likes most on this site have never seen or could even imagine with his mom doing other people's laundry to help pay the bills, and Pohlad started out as a kid picking stickers like cockleburs and sandburs out of fields for farmers. The Great Depression was over when Pohlad was attending Gonzaga before he moved back to California to continue selling used cars. Pohlad was drafted in 1942 during WWII, and he served in an infantry unit in the European theater. He he returned from the European theater a war hero after earning 2 Bronze Stars for heroism and 3 Purple Hearts. After WWII, Pohlad worked for a finance company in California, which is where the legend of the foreclosure notices likely originated. Supposedly, Pohlad delivered the notices so maybe don't shoot the mailman? Details are pretty hard to come by. Rage and misinformation is pretty easy to find, though. In any case, Pohlad didn't own any banks until about 1950, when he was part of a group of investors which purchased the parent company of Marquette Bank. Pohlad eventually became the president of Marquette in 1955. Eventually, in 1982, Marquette acquired a bankrupt Farmers and Mechanics Savings Bank. Basically, the garbage story of Pohlad's origins is probably a mishmash of events crafted into a demon lord origin story. In 1984 Pohlad acquired a majority ownership interest, but without any team control, in the Minnesota Vikings. That same year, Pohlad also bought the Twins from Calvin Griffith, saving the Twins from moving to Florida in the process, resulting in the 1987 and 1991 World Series Championship teams celebrating in the twin cities. Those championship teams would not have been possible without Pohlad consistently ponying up for middle of the pack payrolls. 1988 (11th), 1989 (8th), 1990 (18), 1991 (16), 1992 (19), 1993 (17), 1994 (21)... this is where baseball financials changed. The cheapskate Pohlad paid or extended or signed big AAV stars in Minnesota including Puckett, Viola, Morris, Hrbek, etc. The Metrodome was an absolutely terrible, horrible, awful baseball stadium. MLB was struggling post 1994 strike, and former Vikings GM Mike Lynn got 10% of all suite generated gross revenue, further insulting the wounds to the Twins' finances. Pohlad lobbied hard for a new stadium where the Twins could be competitive in the new era of baseball financials. The Twins payroll when they ranked #8 in MLB in 1989 was $15.5MM. Rebuffed again and again, MLB and Pohlad were fed up. By 1997, when the North Carolina sale was discussed, it was $25.7MM (23rd) representing a 6.5% cumulative average annual increase, but MLB payrolls had been skyrocketing with some team owners running well into the red as they ran their clubs as a hobby or community service. Pohlad was a businessman and ran the Twins not to lose money. The North Carolina deal was for about $150MM, but it was contingent on factors which were never met, and subject to an MLB owners vote that it likely wouldn't have passed, either. It's tough to say how likely a move would really have been as debates have shot a lot of holes into the potential the move would have ever really been possible. In regard to the contraction plan, the myths and legends have grown just as famously as Mr. Pohlad's supposed origins. Volunteering to contract the team for $150MM is almost certainly a mixup of the North Carolina deal that fell through. The contraction plan was supposedly for $250MM after 9/11 with baseball reeling, and btw, there were no teams mentioned in the plan. MLB owners approved the contraction plan 28-2 with only the the Twins and Expos owners voting against the plan. There were 4 or 5 teams in the mix for being contracted, but the Twins and Expos were seen as the most likely target to be culled. Again, Pohlad voted against contraction. I'm sure this is just another conspiracy, right... There is so much misinformation and vitriol in this evil demon lord revisions of Carl Pohlad, it's just crazy. I didn't know the guy, and I didn't consider him a great owner, but man.

Honestly, lots of strong opinions from folks who haven't spent 10 minutes researching the situation. I've been to several games at the Coliseum, including Twins @ A's when I was living out there. I don't think the my stadium experience was nearly as bad as Riverbrian's, but it wasn't good despite an obvious push by the owners to renovate and improve the Coliseum amenities. The AREA around the Coliseum is exactly as described. It's a dirty, garbage pile of an industrial zoned area. Think like what the area along the east side of I-94 just north of West Broadway, but 1/2 as built up, and much more run down, and from 20 years ago. A dump. There is nothing around the site. Metal recycling scrapyard types of places and empty lots. Fisher has been the sole owner since 2016. Fisher and Wolff were the owners from 2005-2015. Schott and Hofmann were the owners from 1995-2004, acquiring the team after massive losses associated with the 1994 strike, declining attendance by 1993 after the 1989-1990 World Series appearance years and Haas' fading health. *1992 This is when Haas, Jr. gave away a huge section of territorial rights to the SF Giants, including San Jose to facilitate their new stadium drive, which was not successful in the South Bay. This is also the last time the A's were at or above MLB average attendance. Haas, Jr. was the owner from 1980-1994, buying the team to block it moving to Denver, but they operated with huge losses every year until 1988, where the A's broke even and the 72 year old Haas' time was limited. A new stadium search for the A's began almost immediately after Schott & Hofmann purchased the Athletics, with the franchise losing money almost every single year Haas, Jr. had owned it. The SF Giants had been granted a huge territorial rights bonus and were just about to get a new stadium deal (1996, opening stadium 2000) after playing in Candlestick (which was also kind of in the middle of nowhere). Lew Wolff was hired to try and find locations and the A's owners were already dealing with failures and complications to replace the non-viable Coliseum by 1998. The Bay Area residents, local governments, and the San Francisco Giants blocked a half dozen stadium deals for over 25 years. The A's routinely operated at 50% losses under Haas, Jr. and he further gave away rights which crippled the Athletics' ability to source new revenues and stadium sites, and he then sold the team almost immediately after. That is what the recent 3 ownership groups have been dealing with. Attendance at the Athletics games is terrible. It's been terrible for decades, and was below average even after the Athletics made the playoffs 4 consecutive years into the early 2000s when the financial environment for baseball was very different and the Coliseum wasn't necessarily the absolute worst stadium in baseball. It 100% is now. Without any room for reasonable debate. It's facilities are often overshadowed by low minors teams and the actual site is totally dilapidated, even if it wasn't in an industrial zone.

I think you mean Canterino instead of Carmargo, who catches pitches rather than throwing them, haha.

For sure! I was basically just quoting a similar package in value. That's why I talked about sweetening the deal by including a cost controlled shortstop option like Willi Castro or whomever. Brooks Lee is still an overpay, though. It's not like the Brewers don't have any other assets and it's impossible for the Twins to work out a deal sending Lee to the Brewers along with exchanging some other prospects to balance it out.

Baseball Reference focuses on DRS and TZR. Santana has been average defensively across his 1B career in those 2 stats, and average in OAA, UZR and RF/9 as well. The last 3 graded Santana's defense as "average" last year as well, same with his error rate while DRS is used in bWAR says Santana was exceptional (out of the blue) last year. His fWAR was more consistent in defense based on OAA. While he was historically a 2-3 WAR player in his prime, here's his fWAR the past few years. a32 2018 - 2.5 a33 2019 - 4.8 (by far career best) a34 2020 - 0.7 (1.8 fWAR at 150 games rate) a35 2021 - (0.5) a36 2022 - 1.0 a37 2023 - 1.7 His xwOBACon was a career low last year thanks to poor exit velocities, low line drive rates and lots of grounders. His walk rate plummeted as well with his resulting xwOBA being about 20pts lower than actual. Basically, it looks like Carlos Santana is well into his decline was all smoke and mirrors last year. I don't think it would be prudent to bank on Santana producing more than 0.5 fWAR/bWAR this year in 100 games. I'd take Austin Martin, Jose Miranda or Kyle Farmer over Santana at 1B.

Side note, I'd have made a similar trade happen for sure if I was the front office. Burnes would immediately slot in as our ace and raise the ceiling of our rotation dramatically. The Twins are already AL Central favorites (not saying too much there), but with Burnes, you have to like them for potential World Series contenders.

Baseballtradevalues.com evaluated the trade as: Corbin Burnes vs. DL Hall + Joey Ortiz + Round A Comp 33.8 vs. 18.9 + 13.6 + 4.0 (36.5) The values are "surplus value" which is essentially the amount of value the player is expected to produce over the life of their contract/team control, less the projected cost of that production. A similar package might be: Emmanuel Rodriguez + David Festa + 2024 Twins Comp A = 19.9 + 8.7 + 4.0 = 32.6 Brooks Lee on his own would be an overpay. It doesn't mean the Brewers didn't ask for him, but I'm sure the Twins could have worked around a different option. If the Brewers were obsessed with a SS possibility, maybe swap Willi Castro for the Comp A pick or see how the Brewers feel about Noah Miller, Austin Martin or Nick Gordon, etc.

They were routinely sold for $5 a seat in promos early this year. Guess we have different definitions of expensive.

I think that might be the raffle? I have utterly, completely, totally no interest in gambling so no clue.

The tickets aren't expensive, but the increased prices were announced to season ticket holders at the beginning of August. The Twins have an auto-renewal system in place for season ticket holders right now and the ticket holder is required to provide a written opt out by the end of August. That necessitates ticket prices being determined mid-season. I suspect the increased prices are a result of the $155MM payroll and the increases in other operational costs.

They do quite a few. Here's the remaining calendar (not much left). Twins Caribou Coffee stocking cap. https://www.mlb.com/twins/tickets/promotions

So I do love what Wallner is doing with the bat... but he basically reinforced that defensive reputation with titanium alloy tonight. Take a look at Salvador Perez's RBI "double" https://www.mlb.com/gameday/twins-vs-royals/2022/09/21/662633#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=videos,game=662633 It was not a graceful display, haha.

Written like a guy who hasn't bought a baseball game ticket in the last two years. I really feel like you'd be happier rooting for a different team or a different sport. Maybe soccer. They don't score much so you can be really excited about the defensive side of things?

BS. Total BS. May wRC+ 156 Jun wRC+ 189 Aug wRC+ 128

I appreciate you looking out for me and all, but I got my money's worth for my seats this year. Season ticket holders get: 1. 15-20% off all food, drink & merchandise.* 2. Guaranteed seats, in the spot they chose, for each of their games. 3. Free season ticket holder merchandise, special prizes, etc. *In addition, the Twins DID give season ticket holders a huge gift starting September 9th by doubling our food & drink discounts. We'll be getting 30-40% off all food and beverage purchases. Side note, ticket prices are increasing about 12% for next year. I expect there to be a lot of discounted seats available in 2022.

Rodriquez posted an overall line of .290/.361/.605 OPS .966 with a .315 ISO including quite a few doubles. His walk and strike out rates were 9.6% BB, 23.7% K, but I'm not sure what to make of it for the DOSL and a kid who was still just 16 at the beginning of June.

@Cody Christie the link for Jose Rodriquez in the article goes to the wrong Jose Rodriguez It took a couple searches, but here's the correct link . https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rodrig106jos

Why are you trying to attribute the quote to me? That's @Trov's quote, not mine.