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    Should the Twins Sell High on José Miranda?


    Matthew Lenz

    The Minnesota Twins had a top-10 offense in baseball, which is impressive considering their month-and-a-half-long slump to end the season. Their depth of positional players, especially on the dirt, gives them the flexibility to sell high on one of their young corner infielders.

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    José Miranda was a relatively unheralded prospect prior to his 2021 breakout with the Twins' Double- and Triple-A affiliates. He carried that success into 2022, where he slashed .268/.325/.426 in 125 games, but then struggled in 2023, largely due to a shoulder injury that hampered him for most of the season. Entering his age-26 season, many wondered if he was a two-year wonder, or if he could re-establish himself as a long-term fixture in the middle of the Twins lineup. A month into the 2024 season, Miranda quickly answered the bell.

    Through Aug. 17—prior, in other words, to the entire offense collapsing—Miranda slashed .308/.348/.490, with an impressive 14.3% K rate and a 137 wRC+. While he didn’t show the over-the-fence power he flashed in the minors in 2021 and in the bigs in 2022, he still provided plenty of gap-to-gap power, with 26 doubles and even two triples. While being one of the most consistent offensive contributors, he left more to be desired with his glove. Like, a lot more.

    According to Baseball Savant, Miranda had the third-worst Fielding Run Value of any third baseman who played at least 500 innings. He had an even 0 FRV in a much smaller sample at first base, but in 2022, he posted a -4 there. In short, while Miranda was one of the best contributors at the plate, he’s a well-below-average player in the field, on a team that already has too many question marks around the diamond. Eduoard Julien, Alex Kirilloff, Brooks Lee, Austin Martin, Michael Helman, and even Royce Lewis are other infielders on the big-league roster with average or worse gloves, and that doesn’t even include Yunior Severino, who was added to the 40-man roster last winter as another positionless infield slugger.

    While Lee and Lewis would return significantly more value than Miranda in trades, they are centerpieces of the Twins' current competitive window, as former first-round picks who are just 23 and 25, respectively. Moreover, their gloves also are far more passable and versatile; they're more likely to stay in defensive lineups throughout their big league careers. Miranda may be better off as a DH as he ages. Young, above-average hitters are always going to be valuable and have a job in Major League Baseball, so (despite his shortcomings in the field) I believe that Miranda would have quite a few suitors of the Twins shopped him around this offseason. 

    One caveat to add is that any player acquired in a trade is likely going to be more expensive than Miranda, who will be in his final pre-arbitration year and make around $800,000, but the Twins also have arbitration decisions to make on a handful of relievers who are projected to earn over $10 million via arbitration in total. If they can make a move on Miranda prior to the mid-November tender deadline, they will have better line of sight into which of those relievers they can “afford” to tender and which ones they may need to let walk. That also doesn’t take into account the roughly $3 million raise that Willi Castro is projected to get in 2025, and how those funds could be repurposed to fill an area of need if they decide to move on from the super-utility player.

    Miranda's value might be in the sweet spot, where the Twins can get something helpful and shake up their positional group for 2025 without losing a player they view as indispensable. Much depends on how other segments of the market take shape in the weeks ahead, but this possibility bears watching.


    Would you trade José Miranda or one of the other utility infielders mentioned in this article? If so, what position would you target? Join the conversation in the comments!

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    16 minutes ago, RpR said:

    Most often they say  give the young guys a chance, over and over,  Bollocks, this is not  AAA  and at that so many they think should be brought up are at best average in AAA.

    I do not speculate on money that is not mine , but so many here prattle on as if they controlled the money and know EXACTLY what the Pohlads will do.

    I do not play the wishful thinking game, acting as if my opinion over rides reality, not one Twins rookie has come up to Twins Daily blah, blah, blah.

    I would bring back Kepler, Santana, and Farmer; put Wallner in Left field, and find a proven Center Field back-up till one of the AAA rookies hopefully shows he is ready to come up. I would NOT use the Twins regular season as an extension of Spring Training/AAA.

    How much will they spend, do not know , do not care, their money, their finances.

    Veterans made the 2019 team what it was; they need some veterans to give the Twins a chance at Postseason, until-hopefully, at least one of the AAA rookies shows he is good enough for full time Major League, not another Rooker-Sano-Kirilloff type of candle that won't light or burns out quickly.

    Any duzzle can say: Let the young ones play; but it seems they do not give a darn how poorly the Twins play.

    The Twins of the seventies were mostly a .500 team, with one or two end of season end craps like we had this year; I do not want to see year after year like that again.

    Ok. Fair enough. You do name four players you would like to see on the roster in 2025. I believe that is a start. Why worry about what other people say, just give your views. It isn't necessary to condemn other viewpoints. It doesn't matter any way. People do not need to agree in order to get along.

    1 hour ago, RpR said:

    LOL, what stars?

    Many here are still hyping Lewis, Lewis, Lewis but now that is just wishful thinking, as reality says Lewis is average.

    Let's see , hmm, Lee and Martin, came and . so far,  they only star in the minds of the posters here.

    Julien -- as Mr.Bill would say -- ACK-PFFT- his days are done except maybe AAA.

    Time to bring up the kids, and fight Chicago for last place, wonderful thought.

    How are the "Veteran" stars doing? Oh yeah, we're lucky to see them on the field for half a season. Let's see, how well has that been for us? Tom Kelly always said you need to give a young player 1000 at bats before you really know what you have. With the way Rocco uses his young players it takes 3 or 4 seasons to get close to that amount of playing time. I wonder if the Twins gave up on Brent Rooker too soon and didn't give him enough at bats before moving on from him? They've tried the veteran approach and it hasn't gotten us anything but 1 playoff series victory. Small and Mid-market teams have to build from within and giving your young players playing time is the only way youtr going to know what you have. I've seen enough seasons wasted with washed up veterans to last a lifetime. Maybe with significant playing time, Lee, Martin and any of the other young players could develop into stars, but only if they're given the chance.

    4 minutes ago, rv78 said:

    How are the "Veteran" stars doing? Oh yeah, we're lucky to see them on the field for half a season. Let's see, how well has that been for us? Tom Kelly always said you need to give a young player 1000 at bats before you really know what you have. With the way Rocco uses his young players it takes 3 or 4 seasons to get close to that amount of playing time. I wonder if the Twins gave up on Brent Rooker too soon and didn't give him enough at bats before moving on from him. 

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    NO!

    I don’t think Miranda’s finish to the season  makes other people want to acquire him. He cratered in the last half of the season and produced zero homers.

    He showed enough to be a near-lock to make the club out of Spring Training and to get significant early playing time, but I don’t think there is a guarantee that he’ll be a full-time player in 2025.

    Mike Max made a Twins comment about the new Twins batting coach to the effect that he needed to get much more out of Royce Lewis and Brooks Lee or the Twins would be in trouble. I would add Miranda to that list. 

    37 minutes ago, Doctor Wu said:

    I think Brooks Lee would have had more trade value last year. 

    It is hard to know that. Lee has a pretty stable floor as a guy who will field a position decently or better and who can hit enough to hold down a spot as a regular. The excitement about the ceiling stops Lee from becoming highly sought after, but stable players are key finishing touches for good teams. Lee certainly has value to teams, including the Twins.

    The Sporting News had an article yesterday talking about trading Buxton to Houston in a 3 team trade that ended up with Mountcastle from the O's coming to Twins.

    Interesting article and they did point out the no-trade clause for Buxton, so that will be the hurdle.  The no-trade clause to me is let Buxton listen to what Twins want to do and where he would like to go.  He has the control to play for championships for back end of his injury plagued career.

    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/twins-land-valuable-orioles-slugger-proposed-three-way-blockbuster/a27e96328ae89592fd3f6b1c

     

    19 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    Correa, Buxton, Lopez, Ober, and Ryan (possibly Lewis) are the only ones I would deem "untouchable".  Everyone else on this roster could be had for the right price.

    I would add Jax to your list of untouchables. I feel he can become a quality starter.

    We need to hold onto Miranda. For one, he's shown the ability to be one of our better hitters. Two, he's as cheap as can be. If we are looking to trade someone to get some salary relief to fix other areas of the roster, you don't trade a cheap player like Miranda who is controlled for years to come. Three, he's the only legit 1st baseman on the roster. Plus, our other infielders are going to be hurt at some point, meaning there will be plenty of innings at first base and probably third base for Miranda to cover. 

    21 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    Correa, Buxton, Lopez, Ober, and Ryan (possibly Lewis) are the only ones I would deem "untouchable".  Everyone else on this roster could be had for the right price.

    For me, the only untradables are Lopez, Ober & Ryan.  Everyone else...if the return on the trade makes the team better, do it.  That said, I think Miranda is our likely first baseman next season.

    14 hours ago, rv78 said:

    How are the "Veteran" stars doing? Oh yeah, we're lucky to see them on the field for half a season. Let's see, how well has that been for us? Tom Kelly always said you need to give a young player 1000 at bats before you really know what you have. With the way Rocco uses his young players it takes 3 or 4 seasons to get close to that amount of playing time. I wonder if the Twins gave up on Brent Rooker too soon and didn't give him enough at bats before moving on from him? They've tried the veteran approach and it hasn't gotten us anything but 1 playoff series victory. Small and Mid-market teams have to build from within and giving your young players playing time is the only way youtr going to know what you have. I've seen enough seasons wasted with washed up veterans to last a lifetime. Maybe with significant playing time, Lee, Martin and any of the other young players could develop into stars, but only if they're given the chance.

    Can we please stop blaming the FO for Brent Rooker:

    - Traded from The Twins to the Padres after an underwhelming first half year
    - Basically an MiLB player for half the year before being traded to the Royals for a terrible AAA catcher
    - Placed on waivers by a bad Royals team after the season
    - Picked up by 60-win A's team with no options at 1B before seeing success (shocking all of MLB I might add)

    Rooker was not a FO failure, he was yet another player that needed to find the right situation to be successful.  Let it go...

    17 hours ago, RpR said:

    LOL, what stars?

    Many here are still hyping Lewis, Lewis, Lewis but now that is just wishful thinking, as reality says Lewis is average.

    Let's see , hmm, Lee and Martin, came and . so far,  they only star in the minds of the posters here.

    Julien -- as Mr.Bill would say -- ACK-PFFT- his days are done except maybe AAA.

    Time to bring up the kids, and fight Chicago for last place, wonderful thought.

    If you go back and read my post you will see that I said future stars. I never called them stars. It’s way too soon to count out Lewis, Lee, Martin and Julien as they have all shown a lot of promise at times during their major league stint. They need more games at this level before you can call them busts, and I don’t believe any of them will be busts. Miranda had a good year and shows a lot of promise at the plate. The Twins management has done a pretty poor job trading our young players for veterans who never panned out. Why trade young talent that hasn’t fully reached their potential? Winning organizations are for the most part built from within. Time to develop our youngsters. 

    7 minutes ago, Maybe Next Year said:

    If you go back and read my post you will see that I said future stars. I never called them stars. It’s way too soon to count out Lewis, Lee, Martin and Julien as they have all shown a lot of promise at times during their major league stint. They need more games at this level before you can call them busts, and I don’t believe any of them will be busts. Miranda had a good year and shows a lot of promise at the plate. The Twins management has done a pretty poor job trading our young players for veterans who never panned out. Why trade young talent that hasn’t fully reached their potential? Winning organizations are for the most part built from within. Time to develop our youngsters. 

    Using the way the majority of rookies have turned out the past five years, "Future stars", lol, that is a Pie-in-the-Sky  Crap-shoot on its best days.

    Santana turned out very well, M. Taylor turned out well, Farmer was good last year and picked-up steam at the end of this, Correa was a good deal (there are not injury guarantees in veterans or rookies).

    The 2019 team was carried by veterans; this year Correa, Vazquez and Santana performed in a way so many here think the rookies will magically become but have not.

    They are trading nothing; So far Julien, Lewis, Kirilloff, Jeffers, Lee, Martin have come up craps.

    Larnach, Miranda and Wallner are the only ones still at fifty-fifty level; It is up to them to see if the bar goes up, or down.

    On 10/24/2024 at 12:37 PM, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    Can we please stop blaming the FO for Brent Rooker:

    - Traded from The Twins to the Padres after an underwhelming first half year
    - Basically an MiLB player for half the year before being traded to the Royals for a terrible AAA catcher
    - Placed on waivers by a bad Royals team after the season
    - Picked up by 60-win A's team with no options at 1B before seeing success (shocking all of MLB I might add)

    Rooker was not a FO failure, he was yet another player that needed to find the right situation to be successful.  Let it go...

    The front office is responsible for evaluating talent, and they failed miserably. Period. Rooker would have been the best player on the Twins last year by a mile. The only situation Rooker needed was consistent plate appearances. 

    The Padres had no room on the roster for Rooker so he was in AAA where he put up a wRC+ 137.
    The Royals thought they could pass Rooker through waivers despite his wRC+ 206 because of Rooker's age and reputation damage from the Twins view on him, deeming Rooker less valuable than AAAA studs like Trevor Larnach and Alex Kirilloff.

    The Twins already trashed Rooker's value by giving up on him too early (which just goes to show how valuable reputation and prospect rankings really are to a player). 


     

    4 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

    The front office is responsible for evaluating talent, and they failed miserably. Period. Rooker would have been the best player on the Twins last year by a mile. The only situation Rooker needed was consistent plate appearances. 

    The Padres had no room on the roster for Rooker so he was in AAA where he put up a wRC+ 137.
    The Royals thought they could pass Rooker through waivers despite his wRC+ 206 because of Rooker's age and reputation damage from the Twins view on him, deeming Rooker less valuable than AAAA studs like Trevor Larnach and Alex Kirilloff.

    The Twins already trashed Rooker's value by giving up on him too early (which just goes to show how valuable reputation and prospect rankings really are to a player). 


     

    His AAA numbers in SD were so strong they traded him for nothing?
    Why would the terrible Royals try to "hide" him through waivers if they thought he was MLB ready?
    The Twins damaged his reputation how exactly?  By not giving him enough time to be successful?

    I understand you would like a complete overhaul of.. well... everyone and everything in leadership roles for the Twins, but understanding that players sometimes need to hear different voices and approaches to be successful doesn't necessarily mean failure by the Twins (or Padres or Royals for that matter).

    2 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

    His AAA numbers in SD were so strong they traded him for nothing?
    Why would the terrible Royals try to "hide" him through waivers if they thought he was MLB ready?
    The Twins damaged his reputation how exactly?  By not giving him enough time to be successful?

    I understand you would like a complete overhaul of.. well... everyone and everything in leadership roles for the Twins, but understanding that players sometimes need to hear different voices and approaches to be successful doesn't necessarily mean failure by the Twins (or Padres or Royals for that matter).

    You don't understand.  The Twins' talent evaluation is SOOOO bad, it caused two other teams to mis-evaluate him too.

    Here is an idea stop the revolving door position players.One example there was 7 different LF in 24. Spring Training work to have 2 players per position,that seemed to work at catcher. And with payroll restrictions 1st base will need to be filled by Miranda or Kirilloff if still on the roster. This probably was one reason they fell apart at the end,to many position and lineup changes.




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