Roster Shuffle: Buxton And Kepler Out, Meyer And Santana In

I know he isn't off to such a great start, but at this point, wouldn't everyone been better off if the Mastro had just been kept directly out of ST where he was playing well and let Buxton open at Rochester?

 

I mean...20/20 hindsight...but if there was any clue he wasn't going to be ready or this is what he'd be facing 20 some games in...sheesh!

In a tallest midget kind of a way... I agree. 

They need to sit Milone, and start Meyer.  Fer cryin' out loud, Twins, get with it.  I'm so sick of them pussy-footing around.  Get as many of the younguns up here as you can, (exepct Buxton), and let 'em take their lumps.  It's not like we're in contention for anything this year.  Oh, and thanks for letting a solid catcher walk away for nothing.

The problem is that there is a reasonable alternative for the Centerfield position, but Ryan has been blind about it:  Eddie Rosario.  He started his career as a centerfielder and UZR likes him there better than Buxton.  I would have zero problem with Rosario at Center for the rest of the season with the glove, if he were not hitting in despicable levels...

 

Can't and won't dispute this at all! But my arguement was, as just mentioned in another thread, it seemed to incredibly obvious to me that the smart moves were to acquire a decent, solid RH OF to play a corner role with Arcia and Rosario, as well as a decent 4thOF/CF option in case Buxton wasn't ready. This would have allowed various match up scenarios and bench depth. If you did move Rosario to CF for now, you'd still have at least a potentially decent OF.

I liked the idea they at least made an attempt to get a catcher, but I also believe that the timing and swiftness of the deal indicates TR was not unhappy to part ways with Hicks.

And the jury is still out on Murphy. Opportunity and a bad start shouldn't condemn him or the trade for him. But the Hicks signing was a solid, cheap move for a solid, fairly young catcher, with at least better than horrible offense. In fact, right now, without even the necessity for a 3rd catcher due to injury, it could be argued Hicks should be brought up, Murphy demoted, in order for Murphy to see daily play and AB for a week or two to get in a groove. OOPS...can't do that now.

This game with Cleveland is just killing me right now.

I feel there were several veteran options, none of them overly exlensive, out there this past off season that wouled be great fits for the Twins to provide depth, match up options, and options so Buxton and Kepler wouldn't have to be forced to the ML level so soon. Byrd and Davis were two of the guys I really liked. While not a perfect solution, doesn't the OF look better right now with Byrd playing/alternating in the corners and Davis in CF while Buxton and Kepler get some much needed AAA time?

Of course, I also thought, as before and elsewhere stated, that Plouffe-Sano-Mauer sharing 3B-DH-1B was a great idea as well.

I'm all for venting frustration, discussing roster moves, and critical fandom in general, but this thread is a veritable witch hunt.  First the baseless David Murphy terrorism.  Then all the bashing of a 1 day roster forced by an injury and 16 inning game. Somehow, little mention of the 16 inning game directly following a 3 inning start from Gibby. I'm fine with 14 pitchers for 1 day when Sano, Santana, Nunez, Rosario and Arcia all have some level of position flexibility.  Good grief.  We've played the ESPN computers power ranking teams Nats (2), Royals (3), Orioles (4) and White Sox (6) for 12 of our 14 losses.  You'd think we'd win some of ;those games, but what are you going to do?  We were in many of those games with a lot of our young players doing next to nothing, and hopefully learning a little about getting yourself ready for the season.  Rational suggestions please.

The Twinsiest move would be to call up Beresford.

Meyer should be ready to start when Santana and Duffey don't answer the bell because of injury. I would love to see that.

Check the other thread for Berardino's TR quote on Murphy, it is fairly damning.

I'm not sure how this can be a one day roster thing, unless they add Beresford or Mastro tomorrow, and even if they do, why not add them today? Duffey isn't helping the pitching staff tonight or for the next few days at least, there is zero need to keep him in Minnesota as part of a 14 man staff right now.

If Murphy chose to go home over a call to the bigs, he should go on the DL and have his head examined instead.  I don't think it matters however, because that sort of rogue out of nowhere refusal to earn Major League money is so unpredictable I can't fault the organization for not planning for that.  We have a 40 man spot open right?  So it wouldn't necessarily mean Mastro or Beresford, although I imagine it will be Mastroani who is more valuable at this point that Buxton and doesn't have to play like Buxton or Kepler would.  Again, it sucks that we sent down Buxton and Kepler first, but Murphy refusing his promotion?  I've literally never heard of that.

It's not all that.  It's the "Danny Santana shouldn't be on the team" the "Duffey should get sent down" even though he's injured and he can't, the JR Murphy needs to be sent down or start, the Twins have no plan at CF despite still have 2 capable CF's on the roster, with 2 young ones sent down, accusations that are unnecessarily piling on.  There's lots to criticize.  You can even criticize going into a game with a 2 man bench, but it's not fair to ignore 3 IP by Gibson, Tyler Duffey being hurt, but not bad enough to DL  him, Santana being hurt but not bad enough to DL, and 16 innings the day before.  Santana is the most obvious move, 15 day DL would be taking away 2-3 starts with the most obvious replacement nursing a bruised shoulder.  I'm fine waiting an additional day or two in order to see how those 2 injuries progress before making a decision for the next 2 weeks.  I don't think not having Mastro or Beresford or ABWII or even a recalled Polanco or Kepler makes much difference for the next 2 days.  If ONLY we could have pinch hit... we'll say Polanco tonight, man this game would be so different...  Not buying it.  I'm not saying there isn't room for valid criticism, but there's also room for valid defense.

If Murphy chose to go home over a call to the bigs, he should go on the DL and have his head examined instead.  I don't think it matters however, because that sort of rogue out of nowhere refusal to earn Major League money is so unpredictable I can't fault the organization for not planning for that.  We have a 40 man spot open right?  So it wouldn't necessarily mean Mastro or Beresford, although I imagine it will be Mastroani who is more valuable at this point that Buxton and doesn't have to play like Buxton or Kepler would.  Again, it sucks that we sent down Buxton and Kepler first, but Murphy refusing his promotion?  I've literally never heard of that.

It's not all that.  It's the "Danny Santana shouldn't be on the team" the "Duffey should get sent down" even though he's injured and he can't, the JR Murphy needs to be sent down or start, the Twins have no plan at CF despite still have 2 capable CF's on the roster, with 2 young ones sent down, accusations that are unnecessarily piling on.  There's lots to criticize.  You can even criticize going into a game with a 2 man bench, but it's not fair to ignore 3 IP by Gibson, Tyler Duffey being hurt, but not bad enough to DL  him, Santana being hurt but not bad enough to DL, and 16 innings the day before.  Santana is the most obvious move, 15 day DL would be taking away 2-3 starts with the most obvious replacement nursing a bruised shoulder.  I'm fine waiting an additional day or two in order to see how those 2 injuries progress before making a decision for the next 2 weeks.  I don't think not having Mastro or Beresford or ABWII or even a recalled Polanco or Kepler makes much difference for the next 2 days.  If ONLY we could have pinch hit... we'll say Polanco tonight, man this game would be so different...  Not buying it.  I'm not saying there isn't room for valid criticism, but there's also room for valid defense.

Very Plausible... I certainly won't argue any of it. 

However... my Spidey sense is detecting a ball dropping.

I just don't know how to swing across town to check it out. 

And I still don't like the CF Plan cuz... Umm... Well... I'm right. 

Who would they swap Murphy for? They just gave away their only decent upper minor league catcher to the Tigers, because... Well, no one is really sure why they put him on waivers, but the fact remains that Hicks is gone, leaving a scrap heap of catchers that would not be much better than Murphy.

Seattle DFA'd him, the Twins did the same.  After 4 years of people complaining od Drew Butera could you explain why people are upset the Twins let someone go who would make a team miss Drew Butera