Mailbag: Stewart's Spot, Win Total, Trading for Starters

In 2018 all teams got an extra 50 million from sale of bamtech.

The Twin acquired Odorizzi, Lynn and Morrison after mid-February last year, so I'm not sure we can look at the current $100 million number as anything more than a current number.

The Perez deal may make it seem like starting pitching isn't in the works for further moves, but we don't know the full structure of that deal yet.  If someone has info on that, please post.  They haven't announced the DFA candidate yet, so it doesn't seem finalized.  

I view Perez as being somewhere on the "if-Pineda-doesn't-come-back-well" depth chart, being given a chance to win that fifth spot and otherwise working as long man or second lefty in bull-pen. 

Is anyone penciling anyone other than Gibson, Berrios and Odorizzi in for 30 starts? I'm not.  I doubt Falvine is.  They're still shopping, IMO.

I'm quietly still hoping that Marwin Gonzalez stays available deep into the off-season.  Perhaps he could be the Morrison/anti-Morrison signing that we didn't expect.  It would be great to have him on the team and then tell guys like Sano, Buxton, Kepler and even Polanco (on the defensive side) "give me a reason to start Marwin somewhere other than the spot that your supposed to occupy as a starter."

I find it hard to imagine the Twins winning 80-82 games this year with the present starting pitching staff of Berrios, Gibson, Odorizzi, Pineda, Perez, etc. The Twins need pitchers to pitch 210+ innings in 32-33 games to take the burden off the RP’s. Berrios, Gibson, & Odorizzi were healthy in 2018 and still didn’t get 200 innings in the books. Berrios & Gibson have a chance to pitch 200+ innings this year if they continue to improve. Asking any of the others to pitch those innings is a real stretch. Let’s hope the FO goes out and gets a #1 or a #2 SP so RP’s have a chance to not be abused by the All Star break.

The Twins need pitchers to pitch 210+ innings in 32-33 games to take the burden off the RP’s. Berrios, Gibson, & Odorizzi were healthy in 2018 and still didn’t get 200 innings in the books. 

Only 5 pitchers in all of MLB hit 210 IP last year. Gibson and Berrios were both north of 190. This team has problems but I don't see their workload as one of them.

Only 5 pitchers in all of MLB hit 210 IP last year. Gibson and Berrios were both north of 190. This team has problems but I don't see their workload as one of them.

And for what it's worth ... Boston only had one north of 190 IP

I don't see Kohl making the team. He comes up if we have a couple of injuries or if someone else performs very badly.

I'm liking this Perez signing less and less. We've got a half dozen guys that need evaluating and a chance and all of a sudden a bad Perez moves to the head of the class. The best chance the young guys may get is if we do use a couple of the rotation spots as stackers.

Odorizzi stacked with Gonsalves

Mejia stacked with Stewart

Again if the Twins spend 50% of new revenue above and beyond then tell me what the other 50% is silent on. Operating costs stay pretty stable with cost of living increases. There might be s slight uptick in draft monies but money sient on the limits stays stable. You mighg make a new beer garden but that should pay fir itself. Again spending $130 million on $260 million different then doebding $100 million on $200 million...you have $30 million being soent on what? Stadium beds reduction?

Again if the Twins spend 50% of new revenue above and beyond then tell me what the other 50% is silent on. Operating costs stay pretty stable with cost of living increases. There might be s slight uptick in draft monies but money sient on the limits stays stable. You mighg make a new beer garden but that should pay fir itself. Again spending $130 million on $260 million different then doebding $100 million on $200 million...you have $30 million being soent on what? Stadium beds reduction?

The goal of any business, from a Fortune 500, down to a mom and pop hardware store, is to increase profits year over year.

So, I'd guess the other 50% of increased revenues isn't spent- it's increased profit.

I'm fine with that. This is America, it's a business, not a charity.

It'd be nice if they actually spent the 50% they purport to though.

Would someone clue me in on Romero?  I thought he was the next Berrios?  He was 3-3 last year with a 4.69era and 45K's in 55 innings and 1.42whip.  Why is he not in the running? He's 24 and seen AAA.

Would someone clue me in on Romero?  I thought he was the next Berrios?  He was 3-3 last year with a 4.69era and 45K's in 55 innings and 1.42whip.  Why is he not in the running? He's 24 and seen AAA.

He only has 2 pitches. Velocity difference between his fastball and change is only 5 mph. My take is rather than spend more time in Rochester, he starts in the pen this year and moves to the rotation in the future. I'm guessing they can refine his change in bullpen sessions. We need our best 12 arms at Target Field on day 1.

He only has 2 pitches. Velocity difference between his fastball and change is only 5 mph. My take is rather than spend more time in Rochester, he starts in the pen this year and moves to the rotation in the future. I'm guessing they can refine his change in bullpen sessions. We need our best 12 arms at Target Field on day 1.

Not another Tyler Duffey I hope?

I know Pineda is supposed to be good this year, but I can’t help but feel that signing both him and Perez is really going to come back to bite us in 2020 when Stewart, Romero, Gonsalves, Thorpe, and Mejia all struggle due to lack of experience because they weren’t given a fair shot the year before.

Hopefully Perez can be what Miley was for Brewers last year, because then we’d have two “veteran” starters (Perez and Berrios) under contract beyond this year.

I know Pineda is supposed to be good this year, but I can’t help but feel that signing both him and Perez is really going to come back to bite us in 2020 when Stewart, Romero, Gonsalves, Thorpe, and Mejia all struggle due to lack of experience because they weren’t given a fair shot the year before.

Hopefully Perez can be what Miley was for Brewers last year, because then we’d have two “veteran” starters (Perez and Berrios) under contract beyond this year.

I could see Perez being here for awhile, even if he is his career abysmal self.

This Twins organization is rich...in AAAA starters. The difference between that and a 5th starter appears to be the flip of a coin. 

That said, something usually happens to shake up the starting rotation. 2019 probably will be another season where the Twins use more starting pitchers than just about any other team. 

Let's hope 2018 was just a particularly ugly year for injuries and other mishaps. A relatively healthy season could see this team a lot more competitive than last year. 

"The club made $261 million in revenue last year and spent $133 million on player expenses. Currently, the Twins are projected to start next season with a payroll around $100 million."

 

I keep seeing this kind of thing stated and it's based off of Forbes Magazine's team valuations. However, what people seem to forget to do is read the footnotes. Specifically...

 

"Revenue and operating income are for 2017 season and net of revenue sharing and stadium debt service."

 

So, if I'm reading that right, they did not spend $133 million on payroll on $261 million of revenue (50.9%) "last year."

 

They had an opening day payroll of $108 million in 2017 and reportedly bumped that up to something around $120 million by season's end, or roughly 45.9% of revenues. And those are revenues net of revenue sharing and stadium debt service (I have no idea how those would apply to the Twins, but the point is that the revenue figures are not gross revenues).

 

Over the 10 years prior to and including 2017, revenues steadily rose from $158 million in 2008 (reported in the Forbes 2009 report) to the $261 million level for 2017 (as reported in the 2018 report).

 

If we assume that revenues increase for 2018 and 2019 continue at the same roughly $10 million per year, it would mean revenues for 2018 would be an estimated $271 million and 2019 would project to something in the low-to-mid $280s.

 

Given that revenues being distributed from various central MLB sources have been going up in recent years, that may be a very conservative estimate.

 

Regardless, it would mean a $100 million payroll would project to be around 35% of revenues and would need to get up to $140 million (by season end) to reach the 50% level.

 

Point is, we should stop using payroll figures from a season one year more recent than the year for which revenues have been reported.

Why would you assume their revenue will go up from 2017? It would actually be up 20M from 2017 levels based on your assumption of a $10M/yr increase. Attendance has been dropping every year and suspect it will next year two unless things really come together. They received the BAM money last year so  2018 will be up but it makes no sense to assume 2019 will be higher than last year or even 2017.

"The club made $261 million in revenue last year and spent $133 million on player expenses. Currently, the Twins are projected to start next season with a payroll around $100 million."

 

I keep seeing this kind of thing stated and it's based off of Forbes Magazine's team valuations. However, what people seem to forget to do is read the footnotes. Specifically...

 

"Revenue and operating income are for 2017 season and net of revenue sharing and stadium debt service."

 

So, if I'm reading that right, they did not spend $133 million on payroll on $261 million of revenue (50.9%) "last year."

 

They had an opening day payroll of $108 million in 2017 and reportedly bumped that up to something around $120 million by season's end, or roughly 45.9% of revenues. And those are revenues net of revenue sharing and stadium debt service (I have no idea how those would apply to the Twins, but the point is that the revenue figures are not gross revenues).

 

Over the 10 years prior to and including 2017, revenues steadily rose from $158 million in 2008 (reported in the Forbes 2009 report) to the $261 million level for 2017 (as reported in the 2018 report).

 

If we assume that revenues increase for 2018 and 2019 continue at the same roughly $10 million per year, it would mean revenues for 2018 would be an estimated $271 million and 2019 would project to something in the low-to-mid $280s.

 

Given that revenues being distributed from various central MLB sources have been going up in recent years, that may be a very conservative estimate.

 

Regardless, it would mean a $100 million payroll would project to be around 35% of revenues and would need to get up to $140 million (by season end) to reach the 50% level.

 

Point is, we should stop using payroll figures from a season one year more recent than the year for which revenues have been reported.

Revenue increases over 10 years was half due to the opening of Target Field.