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    Thiéres Rabelo

    The 2023 World Baseball Classic concluded on Tuesday night with Samurai Japan downing Team USA 3-2 in the championship game. The Classic closed with a final at-bat for the ages between Shohei Ohtani and Mike Trout. While most people agree such a spectacular final game is the cherry on top of a tremendous tournament, some still oppose the competition.

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    For three weeks, most of the baseball world celebrated the multicultural festivities of the World Baseball Classic (WBC) that took place in four different cities across three countries and two continents. The tournament had some of the world’s best players and broke, with ease, all of its attendance and viewership records. Still, in the middle of all that baseball fun, some people still managed to find a negative way to look at the competition.

    When Puerto Rico closer Edwin Díaz got hurt celebrating his country’s crucial win over the powerhouse from the Dominican Republic on March 15th, several media outlets and personalities bashed the WBC and its “lack of relevance.” Most notably, Barstool’s Kevin Clancy went on a rant about how “nobody gives a [expletive] about the WBC except for [expletive] losers.” Then, podcaster Keith Olbermann piled on by claiming the WBC is “a meaningless exhibition series designed to (...) split up teammates based on where their grandmothers got laid.”

     

    Despite being made in a grotesque way, there’s a very valid point in those statements, and they are definitely worth being politely discussed: is the World Baseball Classic fun worth the risk of superstars getting injured? Here are some reasons why I think it is.

    For many people, the WBC matters much more than the MLB
    This year’s WBC broke all of its attendance and viewership records. The tournament drew 1,010,999 fans to the stands during pool play, shattering the previous record of 510,056 set in 2017 with a 98% increase. Pool D, which was played in the US, drew 295,850 fans to the stands, making it the most-attended WBC round ever played in the United States – an 81% increase compared to the previous record.

    The TV viewership of this year’s WBC was also outstanding. Numbers on Tuesday night's championship game are not officially out yet, but one of the Samurai Japan games in this edition already broke an interesting record. Until this year, the most-watched baseball game in history was considered to be Game 6 of the 1980 MLB World Series, when 54,86 million people tuned on NBC to watch the Phillies defeat the Royals. But when Japan played against South Korea in their third pool play game, around 62 million people were watching the game in Japan – nearly half of the country. Tuesday’s championship game has the potential to be the most-watched game in baseball’s history.

    To put things in perspective, according to MLB, the 2022 World Series averaged 12.02 million total viewers per game across FOX, FOX Deportes, and FOX Sports streaming platforms. The final game of the series reached a peak audience of 14.73 million viewers during the game.

    Another fun number: when Puerto Rico played against the Dominican Republic in the final game of Pool D, about 62% of the island was watching the game, including 24% of viewers under the age of 35, and 55% were female viewers. Can you imagine over 60% of a country watching the same game? You can find some more fun stats about the WBC here and here.

    Finally: the players love it. Former Twin Nelson Cruz said, "the WBC is the real World Series.” It is easy to notice how important representing their country is for players, especially from countries like the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela, where baseball is the number one sport. But it’s not only them. Here’s what Mike Trout and Mookie Betts had to say right after the Edwin Díaz injury.

    Injuries will happen anywhere, at any time
    Wanting the end of the WBC over injuries makes no sense. First and foremost because Major League Baseball has insurance in place to protect its teams in circumstances like this. The Mets, for instance, will get reimbursed for Edwin Díaz’s salary during the star closer’s time on the injured list. That should be the end of this.

    But in case that’s not enough, people should remember that injuries like that could happen anywhere, at any time. Gavin Lux suffered a non-contact knee injury in this year's spring training and will miss the entire season. Brandon Nimmo got injured sliding into second. Last Sunday, both Juan Soto and Austin Nola left their respective spring training games due to injuries, and the Padres might miss them for a while. Nola, specifically, was hit in the nose with a pitch. Yet, no one is calling for spring training to be canceled. And no one should, as it doesn’t make any sense.

    Injuries are unpredictable. Remember when Francisco Liriano missed out on roughly $11M when he broke his arm slamming into a door to scare his kids on Christmas? The odds of that happening might be the same as Díaz suffering a torn patellar tendon while celebrating a WBC win with his teammates.

    The WBC puts baseball on the map
    Finally and most importantly, the WBC makes baseball stronger. The United States is the birthplace of baseball, and it might even sound weird for a US native to hear that baseball needs to be strengthened. But the truth is that baseball is not among the most globally-spread sports in the world. Outside the US, it is only considerably popular in Central America and east Asia.

    I’m not from the USA. I’m a born and raised Brazilian who’s been living in Brazil my entire life. I had never watched a baseball game until I was 16, and I didn’t know the first thing about the sport. Unfortunately, that’s the case for most people in most countries outside the US and those two other areas. A global event such as the WBC is vital for baseball’s future, especially since it has been dropped from the Olympic Games.

    Baseball is the greatest game on the planet, and the whole world needs to know that. The WBC isn’t nearly as representative as other sports’ world cups, like FIFA’s, FIBA, the cricket world cup, the rugby world cup, etc. But it can be. It has to be. It will be, as long as we don’t give up on it over a superstar injury.

    What do you think? Is the World Baseball Classic important enough for superstar players to risk getting injured? Share your thoughts in the comments!

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    How about this for a proposal. Since USA baseball is so broken that they have to come up with new ridiculous rules (I'm looking at you ghost runners and tightly wound pitch clocks) every year to speed up the game (that is presumably so boring that nobody wants to watch). Why don't we finally break up the entire notion of what USA (and Toronto) baseball is all about. Let's truly acknowledge the global sport that it is. 

    I'm not going to pretend I know how European, African, and South American footbal work, but I do like the excitement that comes when all of those teams play in the world cup. 

    Let's open it up. I'd be super excited to have the chance to see the Twins play the Sultanas de Monterrey or the Leones del Caracas, or some team from Havana once in awhile. Far more so than I'd want to watch them play the stinking Royals 25 times a year.  

    I'd much rather go back to an older era where four teams duke it out in the playoffs to see who goes to the world (or USA) series, but then get the chance to watch a wider playoff berth open up into a WBC that sends our best 4-8 teams. 

    To be honest. Baseball is getting a little old, convoluted, and tired, no thanks to all the rule changes and extra teams. What do we have to lose? The Marlins? I'll take it.  

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    I think it may be mroe about the timing.

    The Plus: it got people excited about baseball worldwide before the season began. Especially if you continue to want baseball to be recognized outside of a few countries.

    Another Plus: The quality of play is on par with the majority of spring training games. Yes, some grizzled retirees may be setting foot on the field, but equally as many all-stars.

    Big Plus: You see a real love for playing the game. Competitive for something other than the next free agent contract.

    If there is a minus, it happens in the middle of spring training, when players are fighting for placement in them minor leagues, or a chance to win a major league job. Spring training is not just a time to get in shape (most players are in shape, now, by the time they arrive). But a time for guys to play together, learn routines with fellow teammates, become a team over the weeks of spring training so they can hit the season running.

    You can't do it in the fall, after the seasons end, because it will conflict with the playoffs and ALL the teams in that mix. It would be great if it could, though, giving minor league guys something other than Arizona Fall League or Winter League to compete with others, but the guys who couldn't play would be the ultimate top teams in each league.

    Can you do it BEFORE spring training begins, kicking off baseball the day after The Super Bowl (or a week later for some time to get going). Talk about a showcase for many players who might be looking to continue a career. Or get a jump start on spring training.

    Enlightenment. Who gets paid, by whom, and where does the money flow for this competition? 

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    The only ones who don't want WBC are the Mets and Astro fans. It was good exciting play. I never knew Great Britain and Isreal could field whole teams. Yes I know a lot of players used ancestry but all in all it was way better than watching ST games. And guys can and do get hurt every year in ST. But at some point MLB will manage to screw it up. The owners will try to put language in player contracts that may not forbid them to play, but will stipulate that if someone is injured in WBC play they won't have to pay for time lost.

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    Worth it is based on point of view.  As pointed out the players clearly cared, and the fans from other countries clearly cared.  It is also cool for some of the not well known lower minor leagues guys to get to play against future HOF guys like Trout.  Diez injury was just dumb by him, which we hear they happen all the time.  Denny Hocking got his hand stepped on after playoff win causing him to be out.  Players get crazy injuries for all kinds of non-baseball stuff. 

    In terms of on field stuff, players have been injured during spring games, that mean even less to people than WBC, that are now out the full season.  Players will get hurt playing the game, and it could just as likely happen in a spring game versus a WBC.  The only way you could argue injury from WBC over spring game is if a pitcher throws too many pitches and blows out their arm because it was not up to what needed to be.  Outside that any injury that happens in games could just as likely happen in spring game. 

    Baseball has long been a global game, MLB has taken international players for long time.  Just because US has become less interested does not mean the world is not getting more interested in it.  If it gets more international players to play and increase the pool of possible players to raise the talent here, then it is good for the game and it is worth it.  Basketball exploded world wide in 90's when the best to play to that point decided to be showcased in the dream team.  They crushed everyone, but people became a fan of the product, and now people will watch NBA games all over the world, increasing money for the NBA, and increasing the international players that raised the overall talent level. 

    Yes, it sucks for the players that got hurt, but is spring training worth it if players are getting hurt there too? 

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    Great piece. Baseball has been dying a slow death (emphasis on SLOW) in the US for a long time. Fewer and fewer watch it (it was startling that the highest rated Series game was around FORTY years ago), and/or play it. Recently on KFAN, one of the morning drive time hosts was asked which sport Mookie Betts played, and he had no idea. On another day something brought up requests to the sports gods, and one host said something like 'honestly, I wish they'd just make the Twins go away.'

    I think the rule changes (which are not even close to the first ones designed to speed up the game; umpires originally didn't call balls and strikes, and right into the 20th Century, I don't believe foul balls were ever strikes) will help. But clearly baseball still has the juice to drum up electric crowds and games, and MLB will need to foster that, and channel it if the game is to have a future. Viva the WBC!

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    3 minutes ago, TCSquad said:

    If MLB ever decides against allowing its players to participate in the World Baseball Classic against teams around the world, then they need to rename the World Series (which sees 29 teams from the United States of America and one Canadian team.)

    It's been called the World Series since 1903 or somewhere in that time frame. I don't think we need to change the name to be "politically correct". They've already caved on changing team names and mascots. 

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    I'm not sure I follow the idea that MLB owners will be against the WBC in the future. They created it. It's an MLB product. The owners are making a ton of money off it. It's written into the CBA to ensure they continue making money on it. As the article noted, the Mets don't lose a dime from the Diaz injury because insurance covers his contract. Maybe they could lose some postseason revenue if they don't make it cuz of him, but if losing your closer really blows up your season your team probably wasn't that great to start. Plus the revenue Cohen got from the WBC probably makes up for a decent chunk of postseason revenue losses. Most of the owners are in this to make money. The WBC makes them money. Not sure why people think they'll be against it ever.

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    I had the good fortune to attend 6 games in Phoenix. I have never seen such electric crowds at a baseball game. Was I at a European soccer/football game or was this the Olympics? Mercy.

    The COL-MEX and the US-MEX games were outstanding in their own rights from a baseball perspective. But from a crowd sense, the excitement and enthusiasm of the crowd were just as thrilling. Great stuff.

    We are now up to 35-40% foreign born athletes (stats vary) on the diamond. Talent of the future needs to come from somewhere as our home-grown kids don't play baseball or don't have access to a field like I did as a kid.

    Want those rosters filled? Promote the WBC.

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    6 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    I'm not sure I follow the idea that MLB owners will be against the WBC in the future. They created it. It's an MLB product. The owners are making a ton of money off it. It's written into the CBA to ensure they continue making money on it. As the article noted, the Mets don't lose a dime from the Diaz injury because insurance covers his contract. Maybe they could lose some postseason revenue if they don't make it cuz of him, but if losing your closer really blows up your season your team probably wasn't that great to start. Plus the revenue Cohen got from the WBC probably makes up for a decent chunk of postseason revenue losses. Most of the owners are in this to make money. The WBC makes them money. Not sure why people think they'll be against it ever.

    I agree, but in this case you're saying the owners are making money on the WBC. And yesterday's TD article about the Twins and other teams losing money every year. Which is bull carp. I know I'm off topic but extremely rich people are always crying poor mouth. So if they are indeed making a good chunk off the WBC it'll stay. And not 100% sure the Diaz injury will be fully covered by insurance. That language usually consists of if injured during action on the field of play. So if he slipped coming out of the dugout to assume his position or got hit by a line drive, then yes. But you know how insurance companies are. They'll say it happened due to negligence.

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    I could agree to hear an argument that a two weeklong tournament in July would produce the best baseball.

    Those who belittle(d) the recent tournament and fears of injury are off base. The post covers those concerns pretty completely.

    I'm going to believe what the players say about the atmosphere and quality of play before some lame tv commentators' yawns. If you look at the fangraphs recent series on the best players you will see that the overwhelming number of them were in the WBC. The lineups in the USA-Japan final rivaled any all star game pretty much. It was a terrific game.

    The owners always do pretty well for themselves and when the game grows an audience the players gain too. The WBC is a good idea, with plenty of future growth potential. There is significant possible appeal globally. That is, in my opinion, good for baseball.

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    2 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

    I agree, but in this case you're saying the owners are making money on the WBC. And yesterday's TD article about the Twins and other teams losing money every year. Which is bull carp. I know I'm off topic but extremely rich people are always crying poor mouth. So if they are indeed making a good chunk off the WBC it'll stay. And not 100% sure the Diaz injury will be fully covered by insurance. That language usually consists of if injured during action on the field of play. So if he slipped coming out of the dugout to assume his position or got hit by a line drive, then yes. But you know how insurance companies are. They'll say it happened due to negligence.

    I don't have nearly enough personal knowledge of pro athlete contract insurance to speak on it. I just know it's been reported by a bunch of people with way better connections than me that it's fully covered and the Mets won't lose a dime. Wouldn't put it past the insurance company to try not to pay, though. They're definitely good at that!

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    3 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

    not 100% sure the Diaz injury will be fully covered by insurance.

    I believe MLB (Manfred) issued a statement that the contract (Diaz) was fully covered by MLB, but that the salary still counts against the CBT.

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    Just now, chpettit19 said:

    I don't have nearly enough personal knowledge of pro athlete contract insurance to speak on it. I just know it's been reported by a bunch of people with way better connections than me that it's fully covered and the Mets won't lose a dime. Wouldn't put it past the insurance company to try not to pay, though. They're definitely good at that!

    😄  For sure

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    I love it. It is great for baseball. Countless testimonies from participants praise it and want it to be more often. Even watching Diaz get his freakish injury from celebrating didn’t stop more teams from celebrating in ways that could cause more injuries. Adam Wainwright waited until he got home to take himself out by getting injured in the weight room! Injuries are always unlucky, no matter how they happen. 

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    5 minutes ago, h2oface said:

    I love it. It is great for baseball. Countless testimonies from participants praise it and want it to be more often. Even watching Diaz get his freakish injury from celebrating didn’t stop more teams from celebrating in ways that could cause more injuries. Adam Wainwright waited until he got home to take himself out by getting injured in the weight room! Injuries are always unlucky, no matter how they happen. 

    I just remembered another calibration injury from just a regular season walk off win.  When Kendrys Morales jumped on home plate and injured his leg. He missed most of the season, as it was end of May he did it.  So yeah, players will get hurt doing celebrations on pretty meaningless games.  So anyone who points to Diaz as a reason to not play the WBC they forget players will do dumb stuff all the time on and off the field. 

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    What I watched from the WBC was definitely worth it. It's great to expand the game.  There were a bunch of interesting stories, from the Czech team with all but 4 players actually being born in the Czech Republic to the massive ratings of the Japan vs. Korea game (viewership was reportedly 6x any World Series game). 

     

    It was good baseball, and I think it will lead to growing the game internationally and domestically.  I don't really care if it's played in March or July in the future.  I do know that the players seemed to love it and it allowed players to show some emotion and personality on the field.  

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    Yes it is, and I think even more players should be encouraged to go. Look at the experience these players gained and look at the environments they played in. I'd much rather have Twins players preparing for the season in those situations than the glorified scrimmages that spring training games are.

    Injuries suck. They're going to happen. There is only so much that can be done to prevent them. None of the injuries in the WBC were caused by overuse/misuse. The pitchers all had strict pitch count limits. 

    Gavin Lux is out for the season from an injury in a spring training game. Injuries can't be an excuse for not playing the WBC

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    Just recv'd a ridiculously long survey from the WBC on my experience. I dumped it after 7 minutes when they had 12 questions on one page asking me how much I spent by category. (hotel, food, transportation, etc) and no end in sight to the survey.

    Give me a break. I understand the intent of the question/data for promotion purposes to cities for future games. But once again, a survey designed by a consultant who thinks I have an hour for them.

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    20 minutes ago, Trov said:

    I just remembered another calibration injury from just a regular season walk off win.  When Kendrys Morales jumped on home plate and injured his leg. He missed most of the season, as it was end of May he did it.  So yeah, players will get hurt doing celebrations on pretty meaningless games.  So anyone who points to Diaz as a reason to not play the WBC they forget players will do dumb stuff all the time on and off the field. 

    Cody Bellinger has never been the same since his celebratory high forearm after a homer in the Series messed his shoulder up. Plus, call it Karma, or bad luck, but Altuve may finally be serving his unserved punishment for trashcangate. 

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    A footnote to the topic. Chase Field did not open the dome. Not once.

    Safety issue. Cables in bad shape. Field must have no occupants while opening or closing. 4 miles of cables and they can't ensure their integrity.

     

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2022/04/01/cable-problem-prevent-chase-field-roof-motion-arizona-diamondbacks-fans-present/7251859001/

     

     

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    5 minutes ago, davidborton said:

    A footnote to the topic. Chase Field did not open the dome. Not once.

    Safety issue. Cables in bad shape. Field must have no occupants while opening or closing. 4 miles of cables and they can't ensure their integrity.

     

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2022/04/01/cable-problem-prevent-chase-field-roof-motion-arizona-diamondbacks-fans-present/7251859001/

     

     

    Yikes! I wonder how long ago the inspection was and whether there was time during the 4 plus months off season to address it. 
    Great info about the survey, too. $$$

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    1 minute ago, h2oface said:

    Yikes! I wonder how long ago the inspection was and whether there was time during the 4 plus months off season to address it. 
    Great info about the survey, too. $$$

    Last Spring, 2022. The D'Backs are arm-wrestling with the Maricopa County Stadium District, owner of the stadium over improving the stadium. Lease runs thru 2027. Rumblings of "move to Vegas."

    https://arizonasports.com/story/3504499/diamondbacks-leaders-weighing-options-for-future-home-ballpark/

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