Has Time Run Out For These Two Twins?

Both played their last games as a twin

They are being passed in the system by other prospects. Sadly, they have little trade worth unless as a throw-in to some low-hanging eam that might believe they can get better and then become a trade chip.

At best, the Twins should be cycling either as a first baseman possibility for next season, but that is a long shot, too.

Both could return to the majors if injuries hit the Twins infield. Mainly because they are getting paid more than a non-roster guy and the Twins like to use people that they are paying.

I was taken aback when the Twins traded Steer to the Reds and kept Julien instead, although that isn't necessarily going gang-busters in Cincinnati.

Miranda is more likely to be back up with the Twins when he returns from injury; I don't think they're concerned about his playing time one way or the other, but we'll see: this administration sure likes to have as many assets as possible to draw on in case of injury, even if it means bumping along with a poor player hanging on the bottom of the active roster for weeks on end.

Julien got demoted because they want him playing and not gathering dust on the bench, i think. But he will have to really hit to get back up. He clearly lugs his struggles at the plate into the field with him at the MLB level, which is a real problem for a guy who is below average on D to begin with.

Clock is ticking on both guys, though. Brooks Lee and Keaschall are past both of them at this point, and with Castro and Lewis back, the ABs and innings are shrinking. Personally I wouldn't waste much time on Clemens, and Bride doesn't have much upside, but neither Miranda nor Julien have done enough to demand they get picked right now.

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Both were good trade bait, But again that ship has sailed. Julien has been given every opportunity & have been propped up to succeed but has failed. With the hype still connected to Julien we could still get someone of value if used with another player. I agree, I'd never say never for Julien but for him to come back he'll have to reinvent himself, both as a different hitter & 1Bman.

The deck has been stacked against Miranda. He can come back very easily as a 1Bman but not with this organization. Hopefully the next. Right now his trade stock is very low, not worth trading him.

Yes, there value was high, but that is in the past. I suggested trades of both of these guys and Lewis in two years ago, but who knows if anything could have worked out anyway. Miranda and Julien are still worth a flyer from some team .... a player who is a total long shot, which is better than nothing. No use in lamenting missed opportuities from the past. It is time to move forward.

Unless the Twins are in very serious playoff contention, I expect them to move Castro and France by the trade deadline provided someone will trade for them.  That may give Julien a small window of time prior to when Keaschall returns provided he can make any improvements in St. Paul.  Miranda may have the same window.  If McCusker is still punishing AAA pitching, he may be given the call-up over Miranda even though that would require a 40-man roster move.

Remember when Miranda came up and hit people were calling for him to be signed to a long term extension to lock him up for multiple years.

Let them both play in St Paul and let them earn a promotion. If they don't so be it. There's no trade value for either player right now. If they don't recover this year you simply cut them  loose.

Too many guys with too much more upside or potential for these guys to pass.  And guys like Clemens & Bride (and Gasper?) along for short term rides that might make it easier to eventually clear the way for other youngsters.  (Rodriguez, McCusker, Keaschall (and maybe Payton Eeles)when healthy)

11 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

Julien used to hit MLB pitching pretty good.  That talent went away.  Maybe another team can find it.

Julien babip in 2023 was 373.  He hasn’t been good otherwise. 

19 hours ago, Road trip said:

Whatever the Twins coaches have tried hasn't worked very well.

That is assuming that the coaches have actually made suggestions or tried to help them. I honestly have no idea what was done or not done for these guys. In any case, both players have had their chances. Time to move on. 

I've always liked Julien's approach to hitting, but all of this tweaking seems to have gotten him screwed up, and as was said, he can't seem to put a bad at bat behind him and he drags it out onto the field. 

I'm not sure how or why it started, but Miranda started swinging at everything just like Sano. It easy to imagine him getting more disciplined, but it's equally easy to imagine him continuing along that path.

It has been dark days for both players, which makes me sad.

If you want to play with Carlos Correa then you'd better know how to play the game. End of story.

Both will be lucky to be called up in September.  Meanwhile, they can work on becoming worthy of being on a MLB roster.