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    For Good or Bad, On Field and Off, Twins Franchise Looks Ready to Lean Back Into the 'Twins Way'

    Get ready for a return to the grit and fundamentals (and low payrolls) of the late Metrodome years. The Twins are making it clear through their words and actions that they're keen on taking a trip down memory lane.

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    Comparing the Twins team that won a playoff series in 2023 to the last one that did, 21 years earlier in 2002, exposes a sharp contrast. 

    That 2002 group of players had come up together, honing their fundamentals and mastering the elements of "small ball" under Tom Kelly's tutelage to earn a distinct reputation, which only intensified when Ron Gardenhire took over. Those Twins gained advantages on the margins, played superior defense, and ran the bases aggressively. (Maybe over-aggressively, with the worst success rate in baseball.)

    Back then, and in the decade or so that followed, "The Twins Way" was a grounding set of principles. Now it's little more than a street sign outside of Target Field. 

    The 2023 Twins were a hodgepodge of outside additions and graduated prospects from different waves, led by an expensive free-agent mercenary in Carlos Correa. Under Rocco Baldelli, this team aimed to win with strikeouts on the mound and home runs at the plate; defense and baserunning were far from specializations. Rocco's boys weren't laying down a lot of sac bunts.

    Another stark difference between these two division-winning clubs: payroll. In 2002, they ranked 26th out of 30 teams at $41 million. No one on that mean was making any serious money. In 2023 the Twins set a franchise record with a $153 million payroll, ranking 17th in the majors. 

    Reading between the lines, and in some cases just taking their words at face value, it becomes clear that Twins leadership is longing for a return to the good old days of "The Twins Way" — or at least an evolution of it — on multiple levels.

    Getting Back to Fundamentals
    At the end of the season, Derek Falvey cast his vision for the next iteration of the Minnesota Twins: “We’re going to be a really good base running team, we’re going to be on the details, we’re going to be leaning into the fundamentals,” he said. “It would be surprising if any manager candidate said that they didn’t care about those things.” 

    With all the nostalgia for a different era packed in those words, you might wonder if the Twins thought about dialing up Gardenhire and inquiring about reunion. Or if not Gardy, maybe his favorite student. Sure enough, the Twins have reportedly interviewed Nick Punto for the managerial vacancy, alongside a few other candidates. 

    For those who are too young to remember his heyday, Punto featured (arguably too prominently) on the late Metrodome teams, serving as the embodiment of grit and hustle. He was a switch-hitting utilityman who happily handled fast-changing assignments, put the ball in play but hit for zero power, and routinely slid headfirst into first base. MLB's Cut4 once honored him with the "Unnecessary Hustle Award." White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen coined the term "piranha" to describe his ilk.

    Under Falvey's leadership, the Twins have gravitated very far from that profile in terms of their identity. But as you look ahead to 2026, you can already see some piranha-esque players written into the plans: Luke Keaschall, Alan Roden and Austin Martin to name a few. You wonder if Minnesota's ultimate managerial choice or offseason player pickups will continue to trend in this direction.

    I kind of think so. Because here's the thing: these scrappy hustle type players tend to command a lot less money than the established big sluggers.

    A New Norm for Twins Spending?
    Whether or not you choose to believe them, the Pohlads have been clear and unflinching in their assertion that their financial state of affairs had become entirely unsustainable. Meeting the demands of a payroll in the $140 million range with reduced revenue streams was pushing them deep into debt, which they brought in minority investors to alleviate. Despite the appearance from the outside that the Twin Cities market should be able to support roughly middle-of-the-pack spending, the Pohlads insist that is not the case. 

    Comments about "right-sizing" the payroll, and Tom Pohlad telling the Star Tribune recently that his family has "repeatedly chosen to invest beyond what the Twins’ revenues can support in an effort to field a competitive team," all point to one thing: a new norm for Twins payroll, or more accurately, a return to the old norm. 

    No, I don't expect the Twins to go back to a $40 million payroll. But in 2002, when the overall benchmark was much lower, that figure represented 60% of the MLB average. Today the same percentage would equate to about a $100 million payroll — a renewed baseline I suspect they'll fall short of in an all-out rebuild year in 2026.

    In fairness, it's definitely possible to win under such constraints, with the right baseball leadership. The Twins in 2002 were proof enough. The Rays have been doing it for many years. More relevantly: the Cleveland Guardians had a $100 million payroll this year and rallied to reach the postseason while the Twins floundered and underperformed. Cleveland has been a model of low-budget success, fueled by player development and savvy acquisitions. They aren't high-priced or high-powered, but they win on aggressiveness, cohesion and fundamentals. 

    Despite coming from that organization, Falvey has led Minnesota far astray from such characteristics. Everything I'm seeing now leads me to believe he's now looking to lead them back. For better or worse.

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    Good luck is all can say , falvey and company have proven year after year that they are slow on the up take at making changes ...

    Now in desperation he states we're  going to be better on the bases , well we better be better at hitting to get runners on base to be better at running the bases ...

    If the twins can contruct a team to play exciting baseball  , then I commend them and look forward to it  ...

    As far as the pohlads sustaining a mid market payroll  , when ohtani and now Soto signing for 700 million contracts  , really the pohlads can't afford to own this team any longer as salaries escalate  ...

    If the twins can put together a team of prospects or home grown talent that are good hitters and good defenders with some aggressiveness  and better development is done , then i will say we are back to the twins way  of baseball  , not until then  ...

    13 minutes ago, shimrod said:

    I'm prepared for a payroll much lower than that. And that's ok. 

    It's really not okay for this team to spend less than $85M on payroll. That would mean they spend a lower percentage of their revenue on payroll than any other team in baseball. Why is that okay? They make around $320M to $340M in revenue and they start the season with $215M from MLB.

    Percent of revenue spent on payroll by team

    Kansas City is spending half their revenue on payroll but Twins fans are supposed to be satisfied with 25%?!

    Just now, DJL44 said:

    It's really not okay for this team to spend less than $85M on payroll. That would mean they spend a lower percentage of their revenue on payroll than any other team in baseball. Why is that okay? They make around $320M to $340M in revenue and they start the season with $215M from MLB.

    Percent of revenue spent on payroll by team

    Kansas City is spending half their revenue on payroll but Twins fans are supposed to be satisfied with 25%?!

    Agreed.  It is bad faith on the part of the Twins to cheap out on payroll if (and we know it’s WHEN not if) they aren’t going to go all in with an amount of payroll that is ABOVE a normal amount of revenue in the future.  

    Spend some money and try to win.  It is a fallacy to think that we are tearing down to “build for the future”.  It’s not in their DNA.

    Why do we always have conversations about just one way on the offensive side? When Big Papi was a Twin, why couldn’t we have let him be a slugger while other scrappy players could do what they do best? Put a high OBP player with speed in front of your best slugger.

    If you try to mold all the players in one way, your offense becomes very feast or famine. If you have a whole team of Austin Martin types and you make it to the playoffs playing in NY or BOS, games seem to end up a contest of who can outslug the other. If you have a whole team of high HR, but high K types, and you go up against a pitching staff that induces a lot of ground balls, you’re going to be in trouble.

    Balanced offense seems to make more sense to me.

    3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

    It's really not okay for this team to spend less than $85M on payroll. That would mean they spend a lower percentage of their revenue on payroll than any other team in baseball. Why is that okay? They make around $320M to $340M in revenue and they start the season with $215M from MLB.

    Percent of revenue spent on payroll by team

    Kansas City is spending half their revenue on payroll but Twins fans are supposed to be satisfied with 25%?!

    We should not. And no one, literally no one should believe anything anyone associated with Twins ownership says about the team's finances without access to the books and a forensic accountant. Sorry, Tom Pohlad: you're a nice guy, but your family has no credibility on this issue. Hells bells, no owner in pro sports have any credibility when it comes to finances. They will always slant things in whatever way is most beneficial to them at the time. Do I believe the Twins were on pace to lose $40M last season? Not really. And frankly, any losses they may have been taking were a result of their own mismanagement (media rights debacles, lack of business acumen to grow the team's popularity, reportedly loading it up with debt to avoid a capital call, inflating the payroll and then cutting it off...the list is long)

    If they want to lean in more on defense and speed on the baseball side...ok, I guess? It's a strategy choice, and maybe they'll get in the right players to do it. But the bigger issue is if Twins Way 2.0 is really just "bottom 5 payrolls until the union throws a fit".

    The team with the best record in baseball, may or may not win it all down 0-2 in NLDS, was the Brewers.  If you look at their team nothing on offense suggests they should have had the best record, except for they had an above average across the board.  No one hit over 30 HR, Yelish had 29, Chorino had 21, no one else had 20.  They were one of the worst HR hitting teams.  They hit 166, 22 below league average, and 25 below the Twins.  They were 3rd in runs per game however. 

    They did it through getting a ton of hits, and walks with a very lost strike our rate. What does that sound like?  It sounds like the Twins of the 2000's.  They were second in stolen bases, but lead in caught stealing. Overall they did not steal at a good rate, and analytics would say they should have stopped trying. They were just above league average in doubles, just 7 more, and below in triples, only 2 below.  So below league average by plenty in extra base hits, but had nearly 100 more than average hits total.  Third in the league.  They were 4th in walks taken about 50 above league average.  However, they took the 5th least strike outs. 

    What did all the mean, they were a good offense without being a huge power hitting team, why?  Because they got singles, took walks, put the ball in play, ran the bases well. All things that were preached for years in the Twins organization.  Then analytics took over, I am not anti analytics it has its place, but Twins started going for the 3 true outcome guys hit HR or extra base hits because that is best way to max runs per innings.  However, if you have tough at bats up and down line ups and you can get the minimum amount of runs more often, that being getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs or getting that 2 out single with runner on 2nd to score a run, can lead to higher scoring games across the board. 

    Of course having guys that can hit HR is important, and the Brewers had several double digit HR guys, and a couple of guys with 9 HR.  They tried the more balanced, put ball in play, do not just swing for fences but get on base and move guys around.  Personally, I like that style.

    Twins though have gone the all or nothing plan for most guys, even trying to change guys who were good at getting hits overall to try to increase power some but increase k-rates. Trading away guys that put ball in play at high rates because of lack of power.  I am not saying it was wrong to do so, I personally think you need a balance, which is what baseball had for years.  However, under new thoughts HR guys took over for top to bottom and away from speed, walks, singles, bunts, stealing bases, hit and runs all that stuff. 

    "Pohlads have been clear and unflinching in their assertion that their financial state of affairs had become entirely unsustainable"

    In my opinion, given what was reported as the outstanding debt of around $450M, speaks to malfeasance by the Pohlads.

    We are not the Dodgers nor the Mets with deep pockets and can buy themselves out of mistakes, but we are not even remotely living up to the expectations of a small market team.

    Is there an unwritten rule, (MLB loves unwritten rules), that states the owners of the Twins must be a tight fisted and incompetent financially? 

    I sincerely believe the Twins could spend to the area of maybe 12th to 17th in MLB and make money...IFFFFF they commit to winning.  The Brew Crew, and Tampa, have shown that small market teams can be successful.

    In another related note to this article, spending middle of the road money and the Twins Way, (of excellent defense, aggressive base running, and fundamentals while continuing to, (FINALLY), developing pitching) are NOT mutually exclusive.


    Out of the Box Idea:
    The population of MN is 5,737,915
    If each person CrowdSource $296.27 the state could buy the Twins from the Pohlads.  Be like, (cough, cough), the Packers but on a bigger scale. 🙃

    Anyone But Pohlads.  (ABP T-Shirts anyone?)

    I do think there is a realization that the Twins need a new identity. The team was really more fun to watch in September and you knew they would lose too. The last couple of years the team was pretty painful playing baseball, particularly on defense, on the bases, and hitting with runners on base.

    I'm stuck on a question though - Can Falvey and his office mates identify the players needed to turn things around? We are all guessing on payroll but a ceiling of $120M sounds realistic with a likely range of $90-120M. I'm guessing the middle, $100-110M. This is enough to field a decent team, but it goes back to what players are acquired for the roster.

    Let's face it, Byron Buxton is the only sure thing on the roster. Everyone else is combinations of promise, hope, and personal beliefs. Eventually the organization will need to determine whether their top prospects have the skills to play at the top level. At some point the team will need to make decisions based on consistent performance. Let's hope the acquisitions and decisions bring about a better overall product. 

    25 minutes ago, Trov said:

    The team with the best record in baseball, may or may not win it all down 0-2 in NLDS, was the Brewers.  If you look at their team nothing on offense suggests they should have had the best record, except for they had an above average across the board.  No one hit over 30 HR, Yelish had 29, Chorino had 21, no one else had 20.  They were one of the worst HR hitting teams.  They hit 166, 22 below league average, and 25 below the Twins.  They were 3rd in runs per game however. 

     

    One of the biggest differences between the Brewers and Twins?

    Sal Frelick 25, established MLB player (26 in April)

    Turang 25, established MLB player (26 in November)

    Contreras 27, established MLB player (28 in November)

    Chourio 21, established MLB player (22 in March)

    Yelich, and Hoskins, both established even though Hoskins hasn't been good (but wasn't terrible when healthy this year) and Yelich when healthy plays at or close to All Star level. 

    And then you have the 3 guys that are like most of the Twins roster. Older type prospects/rookies, that if do well you keep playing (like Julien and Miranda of the past) if not move on to the next guy up (Perkins, Monasterio, Mitchell, and others) but you are only doing it for 1/3 of your starters, not 2/3. 

    Durbin, 25,

    Collins 27,  

    Ortiz 27

    Now the Twins

    Buxton, Jeffers as established and the rest of the team are guys mostly made up of mid 20's (age) prospects that haven't established themselves and the only players to move onto to are Bargin basement FA's, or even older prospects (Gasper, Keirsey types)

    Until the Twins actually starting getting players established prior to their prime years, we will likely continue to see the same outcome that we have been seeing, which isn't good. I mean 26 and 27 year old non-established players (Martin and Roden) are actually being talked about as starters, along with an infield of Lewis (26), Lee (25), Keashall (23, a good thing), and? non-established players.  That doesn't install confidence in anybody except those Fans that think every Twins player is the exception to the rules. 

     

     

     

    3 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

    I don't hate the idea at all of having a starting outfield next year of Martin and Buxton and Rodan. The range there should be a huge improvement over 2025's outfield defense that included Larnach and Wallner. It also gives room for when Rodriguez (if healthy) and Jenkins are ready to debut, and both should also be better defenders than Larnach or Wallner were in terms of range.

     

    I think this is the planned starting OF coming out of ST. Buxton in CF, Martin in LF, Roden in RF, with Wallner as a RF/DH and either Outman, Clemens, or a cheap FA as the 4th/5th OF with the winner depending on whether they think that Roden and/or Martin can man CF 50-60 games a year. That really leaves open the possibility of GG, Jenkins and/or Emma coming up mid-season unless Buxton is healthy and Martin (likely if this august and September were any indication) and Roden (unknown) show they are everyday players. 

    4 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

    I think this is the planned starting OF coming out of ST. Buxton in CF, Martin in LF, Roden in RF, with Wallner as a RF/DH and either Outman, Clemens, or a cheap FA as the 4th/5th OF with the winner depending on whether they think that Roden and/or Martin can man CF 50-60 games a year. That really leaves open the possibility of GG, Jenkins and/or Emma coming up mid-season unless Buxton is healthy and Martin (likely if this august and September were any indication) and Roden (unknown) show they are everyday players. 

    That isn't a team that is serious about rebuilding/building or competing,; just existing. And if that is the team they are playing on running out there, they absoletly should trade Lopez and Ryan. Teams can only carry 13 guys and Martin, Roden, Outman, Clemens, and a backup catcher on the roster isn't a serious team. 

    36 minutes ago, Trov said:

    The team with the best record in baseball, may or may not win it all down 0-2 in NLDS, was the Brewers.  If you look at their team nothing on offense suggests they should have had the best record, except for they had an above average across the board.  No one hit over 30 HR, Yelish had 29, Chorino had 21, no one else had 20.  They were one of the worst HR hitting teams.  They hit 166, 22 below league average, and 25 below the Twins.  They were 3rd in runs per game however. 

    They did it through getting a ton of hits, and walks with a very lost strike our rate. What does that sound like?  It sounds like the Twins of the 2000's.  They were second in stolen bases, but lead in caught stealing. Overall they did not steal at a good rate, and analytics would say they should have stopped trying. They were just above league average in doubles, just 7 more, and below in triples, only 2 below.  So below league average by plenty in extra base hits, but had nearly 100 more than average hits total.  Third in the league.  They were 4th in walks taken about 50 above league average.  However, they took the 5th least strike outs. 

    What did all the mean, they were a good offense without being a huge power hitting team, why?  Because they got singles, took walks, put the ball in play, ran the bases well. All things that were preached for years in the Twins organization.  Then analytics took over, I am not anti analytics it has its place, but Twins started going for the 3 true outcome guys hit HR or extra base hits because that is best way to max runs per innings.  However, if you have tough at bats up and down line ups and you can get the minimum amount of runs more often, that being getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs or getting that 2 out single with runner on 2nd to score a run, can lead to higher scoring games across the board. 

    Of course having guys that can hit HR is important, and the Brewers had several double digit HR guys, and a couple of guys with 9 HR.  They tried the more balanced, put ball in play, do not just swing for fences but get on base and move guys around.  Personally, I like that style.

    Twins though have gone the all or nothing plan for most guys, even trying to change guys who were good at getting hits overall to try to increase power some but increase k-rates. Trading away guys that put ball in play at high rates because of lack of power.  I am not saying it was wrong to do so, I personally think you need a balance, which is what baseball had for years.  However, under new thoughts HR guys took over for top to bottom and away from speed, walks, singles, bunts, stealing bases, hit and runs all that stuff. 

    There's another thing the Brewers have in common with the 2000's Twins: a lack of playoff success. Before finally breaking through and winning the division series in 5 games against a Cubs team that basically ran out of starting pitching, they had been bounced in their first playoff round the last 5 times they made the playoffs (2019-2024, excluding missing the playoffs in 2022).  

    Just like the piranha Twins, they could small ball their way through a relatively weak division in the regular season, but kept failing against the mashers they'd face in the playoffs.  Pitching to contact against mashers doesn't end well.

    So far this postseason in 34 games, teams that out-homered their opponents are 20-4 (10 times both teams had the same number of homers).  The Brewers out-homered the Cubs in all of their wins and neither of their losses. They haven't small-balled their way to any postseason success, and that trend looks like it's gonna continue against the Dodgers and their lineup of overpowering pitchers.

    If you want playoff success, power is an absolute necessity

    And the Twins have been moving away from an all-or-nothing approach the last couple of years.  After setting the strikeout record in 2023, they decreased their strikeouts (1,623 in 2023; 1,306 in 2024; 1,372 in 2025) and increased their percentage of balls put in play (62% in 2023, 69% in 2024, 68% in 2025) substantially.  They've also scored substantially fewer runs (4.80/game in 2023, 4.59/game in 2024, 4.19/game in 2025) because they've hit substantially fewer homers (233 in 2023, 183 in 2024, 191 in 2025).  I wouldn't exactly call that a success.

    1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    I don't see either of them being anything but replacement level players and at their age, they should be moved to the back of the line, behind players that could become more than replacement level. Rostering replacement level players and playing them has been this teams problem. One of them can start but the other spot should be given to a rookie (or a young guy they got in a trade over the winter) If ERod is the player than give Martin a shot at the other spot, if it is GG then give Roden a short. 

    I don't think that's a fair assessment of Martin after last August and September. IF that's really who he is going forward, recognizing it's a SSS so it's a big IF, he's a 2-3 WAR player over the course of a season. The man hit .282/.374/.365 (.739), 106 OPS+ in 156 ABs over 50 games. 1 OAA in LF, 74th percentile sprint speed, no power. Classic lead off or #9 hitter on a good team. He's earned the starting LF job unless he gets hurt or craps out in ST. He is really the one find in last year's tryout camp after the deadline. 

    You're right about Roden. He is a complete unknown at the MLB level, along with Fedko (who might/should get a shot at 1B in AAA or for the Twins), GG, Jenkins, and Emma. I think Roden will get the first shot and I hope all 5 get a real shot next year. Let's see if one of them can lock down a starting RF spot and another a 4th OF spot by August 1. I would start that process right out of the gate, with Outman only there at the beginning if we really need a backup CF and Keirsey on the DFA list re-signed to play at AAA. I would love to see an OF in July that's Buxton, Martin, and some combination of 2 of GG, Jenkins, and Emma mixed in. 

    Wallner? He gets 350-400 ABs as the DH, and another 100 or so in RF playing once or twice a week as we rotate rest days. He either makes it on his bat, or he doesn't make it.  He's shown enough to get at least a full year's run playing 5-6 days at a week, but we can't play him in the OF. He just isn't good enough there. He is potentially good enough to DH if he can hit 30 plus home runs and get his average up to .240 so he can actually drive in runs. If he can't do that, there really is no place for him on a good team. I try to trade Larnach for a relief pitcher or for another team's not quite good enough maybe guy like Ryan Mountcastle but I think it's more likely he gets non-tendered and moves on. 

    3 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

    I read this and just started chanting to myself PICK NITS! PICK NITS! It sounded funnier in my head than it looks written down.

    I need more coffee 

    Rally monkeys concur

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    19 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    That isn't a team that is serious about rebuilding/building or competing,; just existing. And if that is the team they are playing on running out there, they absoletly should trade Lopez and Ryan. Teams can only carry 13 guys and Martin, Roden, Outman, Clemens, and a backup catcher on the roster isn't a serious team. 

    I think you underrate Martin - he played the last two months well enough to be an everyday player on a good team. Roughly 2-2.5 WAR guy and that's if he doesn't get better with experience. Roden is a complete crapshoot, and so is Jenkins, GG and Emma. As I said in another post, i would dump both Outman and Keirsey (off the 40 man) and start the season with Buxton, Martin, Roden, and one of GG (my choice), Jenkins or Emma, and Wallner as the 5 OFs. Wallner is really the DH who plays in the OF 1 or at most 2 days a week. Clemens could stay as a backup 1B/2B/RF/LF/Dh who gets 200 ABs a year, mostly because we don't have anybody else. 

    That's what I would do but I don't think that's what they are going to do. I think one of the youngish guys will get the shot, probably Roden first, and Outman will be the 4th OF out of ST. Why? Age and Service time. The Twins get an extra year of control over GG, Jenkins, and Emma if they wait until late April to bring them up.  Not so with Roden. In ST Roden will be 26 (same for Fedko), Emma 22, GG and Jenkins 21. Those latter 3 probably start in AAA and then come up in May to see if they're ready assuming they start out well in St. Paul. Much as I don't like it, that is probably the smart way to play it to maximize control over young talent.   

    2 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

    Gloom, despair, excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.  

    We aren't sure yet. It's only a Junior Sample. 😁

    8 minutes ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

    I think you underrate Martin - he played the last two months well enough to be an everyday player on a good team. Roughly 2-2.5 WAR guy and that's if he doesn't get better with experience. Roden is a complete crapshoot, and so is Jenkins, GG and Emma. As I said in another post, i would dump both Outman and Keirsey (off the 40 man) and start the season with Buxton, Martin, Roden, and one of GG (my choice), Jenkins or Emma, and Wallner as the 5 OFs. Wallner is really the DH who plays in the OF 1 or at most 2 days a week. Clemens could stay as a backup 1B/2B/RF/LF/Dh who gets 200 ABs a year, mostly because we don't have anybody else. 

    That's what I would do but I don't think that's what they are going to do. I think one of the youngish guys will get the shot, probably Roden first, and Outman will be the 4th OF out of ST. Why? Age and Service time. The Twins get an extra year of control over GG, Jenkins, and Emma if they wait until late April to bring them up.  Not so with Roden. In ST Roden will be 26 (same for Fedko), Emma 22, GG and Jenkins 21. Those latter 3 probably start in AAA and then come up in May to see if they're ready assuming they start out well in St. Paul. Much as I don't like it, that is probably the smart way to play it to maximize control over young talent.   

    I don't give much credence to August/September stats of a player on a team completely out of contention, just like I don't give much credence to guys in their late 20's numbers in AAA. I did say I would give him an Outfield spot if they give a young guy (Jenkins or Erod, both left handed) a shot. 

    Also, I don't care about an extra year of control for a guy like Jenkins (if he is good you are going to do whatever you can to extend him), ERod turns 23 over the winter, so maybe it is worth holding him back a bit. 

    Wallner if he is here will get at bats and shouldn't be that hard to get him them. I also don't really care about prospects on the wrong side of 25 getting, until you get a few (like half) of the positions established, because they aren't the solutions to long term position questions. 

    The Twins have three paths next year,

    1. try and build for the future giving a few of the young guys a chance while trying to compete (meaning keeping Lopez and Ryan), 

    2. Completely rebuild, trade Ryan and Lopez and give as many young guys a chance as possible.

    3. Just exists and keep playing mid to late 20 players, hope and pray they ALL do better and catch lightening in a bottle.

     

    My choice would be #1.

    On 10/16/2025 at 8:44 AM, Blyleven2011 said:

    Good luck is all can say , falvey and company have proven year after year that they are slow on the up take at making changes ...

    Now in desperation he states we're  going to be better on the bases , well we better be better at hitting to get runners on base to be better at running the bases ...

    If the twins can contruct a team to play exciting baseball  , then I commend them and look forward to it  ...

    As far as the pohlads sustaining a mid market payroll  , when ohtani and now Soto signing for 700 million contracts  , really the pohlads can't afford to own this team any longer as salaries escalate  ...

    If the twins can put together a team of prospects or home grown talent that are good hitters and good defenders with some aggressiveness  and better development is done , then i will say we are back to the twins way  of baseball  , not until then  ...

    Amen, brother! In '19, with the juiced ball, the "bomba squad" emerged organically. In '20, after the juiced ball, Falvey artificially adapted the "all or nothing" philosophy & stuck with it until last year. MN is associated with drafting college slow, defensive deficit, big bats. Although, they are slowly getting away from that. They have been slow adapting to new rules, like shift ban, pitcher check back limit & bigger bases. They're stuck on 100%  analytics that support this terrible philosophy. Is he capable to completely change his philosophy to more fundamentally smart baseball? I'll have to see it before I'll believe it. 

    This expensive big bat FA (like Gallo) mindset as our solution to our problem, not only  doesn't solve our problem, it is an inefficient way to balance the Pohlads' budget. Sell-off wasn't the solution, it was the easy way to cut costs & take the blame off Falvey's incompetence to "it was the players' fault", we need to reset. Then he'll use the excuse "we are rebuilding" for producing a bad team. Will the new manager be able to right the ship when Falvey is determined to have the final say in who this new manager selects as coaches? A total change of mindset to a more fundamental player's evaluation, drafting, development & trading? IMO, Falvey would be totally out of his element. 

    This return to the "piranhas" is absolutely necessary. I hope it happens. Can Punto & Falvey make it happen??????

    2 hours ago, Trov said:

    The team with the best record in baseball, may or may not win it all down 0-2 in NLDS, was the Brewers.  If you look at their team nothing on offense suggests they should have had the best record, except for they had an above average across the board.  No one hit over 30 HR, Yelish had 29, Chorino had 21, no one else had 20.  They were one of the worst HR hitting teams.  They hit 166, 22 below league average, and 25 below the Twins.  They were 3rd in runs per game however. 

    They did it through getting a ton of hits, and walks with a very lost strike our rate. What does that sound like?  It sounds like the Twins of the 2000's.  They were second in stolen bases, but lead in caught stealing. Overall they did not steal at a good rate, and analytics would say they should have stopped trying. They were just above league average in doubles, just 7 more, and below in triples, only 2 below.  So below league average by plenty in extra base hits, but had nearly 100 more than average hits total.  Third in the league.  They were 4th in walks taken about 50 above league average.  However, they took the 5th least strike outs. 

    What did all the mean, they were a good offense without being a huge power hitting team, why?  Because they got singles, took walks, put the ball in play, ran the bases well. All things that were preached for years in the Twins organization.  Then analytics took over, I am not anti analytics it has its place, but Twins started going for the 3 true outcome guys hit HR or extra base hits because that is best way to max runs per innings.  However, if you have tough at bats up and down line ups and you can get the minimum amount of runs more often, that being getting a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs or getting that 2 out single with runner on 2nd to score a run, can lead to higher scoring games across the board. 

    Of course having guys that can hit HR is important, and the Brewers had several double digit HR guys, and a couple of guys with 9 HR.  They tried the more balanced, put ball in play, do not just swing for fences but get on base and move guys around.  Personally, I like that style.

    Twins though have gone the all or nothing plan for most guys, even trying to change guys who were good at getting hits overall to try to increase power some but increase k-rates. Trading away guys that put ball in play at high rates because of lack of power.  I am not saying it was wrong to do so, I personally think you need a balance, which is what baseball had for years.  However, under new thoughts HR guys took over for top to bottom and away from speed, walks, singles, bunts, stealing bases, hit and runs all that stuff. 

    The Brewers playoff wins come when they out homer the opposition...their losses? The opposite. 

    As to the OP, ya, I expect some kind of nostalgia push, it works in other industries (other than Tron, but who was nostalgic for that?). I expect a payroll under 100 million, and that counts 10 million to Correa! I expect a lot of losing, which most people seem to forget was what most Kelly teams did. They didn't win 48% of their games during his tenure.

    1 hour ago, The Great Hambino said:

    There's another thing the Brewers have in common with the 2000's Twins: a lack of playoff success. Before finally breaking through and winning the division series in 5 games against a Cubs team that basically ran out of starting pitching, they had been bounced in their first playoff round the last 5 times they made the playoffs (2019-2024, excluding missing the playoffs in 2022).  

    Just like the piranha Twins, they could small ball their way through a relatively weak division in the regular season, but kept failing against the mashers they'd face in the playoffs.  Pitching to contact against mashers doesn't end well.

    So far this postseason in 34 games, teams that out-homered their opponents are 20-4 (10 times both teams had the same number of homers).  The Brewers out-homered the Cubs in all of their wins and neither of their losses. They haven't small-balled their way to any postseason success, and that trend looks like it's gonna continue against the Dodgers and their lineup of overpowering pitchers.

    If you want playoff success, power is an absolute necessity

    And the Twins have been moving away from an all-or-nothing approach the last couple of years.  After setting the strikeout record in 2023, they decreased their strikeouts (1,623 in 2023; 1,306 in 2024; 1,372 in 2025) and increased their percentage of balls put in play (62% in 2023, 69% in 2024, 68% in 2025) substantially.  They've also scored substantially fewer runs (4.80/game in 2023, 4.59/game in 2024, 4.19/game in 2025) because they've hit substantially fewer homers (233 in 2023, 183 in 2024, 191 in 2025).  I wouldn't exactly call that a success.

    Great post!

    It would be more accurate to compare the current state of Twins baseball  to what followed the 1991 -1992 seasons.

    The Twins were riding high in 91 and 92, but a sharp decline in 93 began a wave of 8 straight losing seasons. Kirby Puckett called it “Death Valley.”

    This is where the 2026 Twins already are… Death Valley 2.0. ( only 7 more losing seasons to go.)

     

    7 hours ago, The Great Hambino said:

    If you want playoff success, power is an absolute necessity

    Just curious how does your theory explain the 2019 Twins? 

    You can swing for the fences, but sometimes the fences swing back?

     

     

    10 hours ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

    Wallner is so tough to gauge for me. He has real power yes, but he needs either a change of scenery or a real focus on everything hitting wise so that he truly isn't 3 outcomes only. But even how the article is written, I'm not certain a 3 outcomes player is a fit on this team right now. If they can move him for a starting catcher or a good prospect of some kind, I'd be open to it.

    Starting Catcher? I agree with your thoughts on Wallner. Maybe a good hitting coach could help him. 

    8 hours ago, The Great Hambino said:

    There's another thing the Brewers have in common with the 2000's Twins: a lack of playoff success. Before finally breaking through and winning the division series in 5 games against a Cubs team that basically ran out of starting pitching, they had been bounced in their first playoff round the last 5 times they made the playoffs (2019-2024, excluding missing the playoffs in 2022).  

    Just like the piranha Twins, they could small ball their way through a relatively weak division in the regular season, but kept failing against the mashers they'd face in the playoffs.  Pitching to contact against mashers doesn't end well.

    So far this postseason in 34 games, teams that out-homered their opponents are 20-4 (10 times both teams had the same number of homers).  The Brewers out-homered the Cubs in all of their wins and neither of their losses. They haven't small-balled their way to any postseason success, and that trend looks like it's gonna continue against the Dodgers and their lineup of overpowering pitchers.

    If you want playoff success, power is an absolute necessity

    Good post, but I think it's more complicated.  I've never found the "team who outhomers the other wins" argument to be meaningful, sort of like a football fan saying the team who scores more touchdowns than the other team usually wins.  (Duh.) The argument is one step short of basically saying whichever team scores more tends to win.  This isn't particularly meaningful data to me.  It's also interesting that suddenly small sample sizes like one half of a playoff season are somehow meaningful and valid here, which counter to sabermetric conventional wisdom.  

    I'm also skeptical that home runs were the one and only reason each game was won.  The Brewers also won all the home games vs the Cubs, and lost the away games.  Was that a factor?  Do pitchers play any role? The Cubs hit more homers than the Brewers this year and it didn't seem to help them in the playoffs.

    In fact, of the 10 highest HR hitting teams in MLB history, only 1 (2019 Astros) even made the World Series, and none won a Series.  It's about more than power.  Just ask the Bomba Squad.  

    I'd say it's more about having a well rounded team that can win games in multiple ways.  One of the biggest reasons the piranha Twins never won anything is because outside of Santana they had a bunch of mediocre starters.  And the Bomba Squad started Randy Dobnak in a Game 2 at Yankee Stadium for goodness sake.  

    7 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    The Brewers playoff wins come when they out homer the opposition...their losses? The opposite. 

    This is actually extremely false!  The Cubs outhomered the Brewers in Game 1 (Brewers won) and neither team homered in Game 3. 

    I know people love the simple answers - it's all about homers! - but those pesky facts keep getting in the way...

    2 hours ago, Sjoski said:

    Just curious how does your theory explain the 2019 Twins? 

    You can swing for the fences, but sometimes the fences swing back?

     

     

    Good point. The 2019 Yankees had no power.

    Power wins in the playoffs.  If you think otherwise, show your work.

    Yankees out-homered the Twins that series, BTW

    17 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

    Good point. The 2019 Yankees had no power.

    Power wins in the playoffs.  If you think otherwise, show your work.

    Yankees out-homered the Twins that series, BTW

    The Yankees had more hits, less errors, higher BA, higher OPS, more RBI that series.  They had more singles and more doubles.  Their starters went longer and gave up fewer runs.  Their relievers gave up far fewer runs and lower WHIP.  The Yankees had home field advantage, and the Twins started Randy Dobnak in Game 2.  The Twins actually outhomered the Yankees in Game 1 loss, and the Yankees hit a whopping total of 1 more homer than the Twins in the series.  4 of the Yankees homers were solo and they got 8 of their 23 runs in the series via homer.

    It's frankly bizarre to use this series as "see, it's only homers" - you'd have a much better case to make to show that actually homers are NOT the only reason playoff games are won. 

    1 hour ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    This is actually extremely false!  The Cubs outhomered the Brewers in Game 1 (Brewers won) and neither team homered in Game 3. 

    I know people love the simple answers - it's all about homers! - but those pesky facts keep getting in the way...

    Ooops. Got one game wrong. The data is very clear, analysis has shown it for several years, you need to hit home runs in the post season. You can find the studies online. 




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