Royals 4, Twins 2: Rocco Baldelli's Ejection Doesn’t Inject Life Into Twins. What Can?

[Aggies7]

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

Read the game thread yesterday. Lot's of "good starts" for a guy who went 5.2 IP and put 12 base runners on while allowing 4 ER. Lots of praise for a 6.35 ERA...

Compared to some of the other starts we’ve gotten, he looked Koufax-ian 😂

[bean5302]

Career averages from expected contributors this year
Miranda .299
Correa .274
Lewis .268
France .262
Wallner .254
Martin .253
Vazquez .252 <-- this is almost unbelievable
Castro .248
Buxton .244
Bader .242
Larnach .236
Julien .233
Jeffers .230
Lee .221 

It's a good starting spot for people trying to identify the likelihood a guy hits .250+. 

[Doctor Gast]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

Guys that can hit get playing time. (not Kiersey)

(Kiersey) ”…..he was a pinch runner, & he stole a base…..”. Seems the coaches remembered then?

I like youth but Kiersey isn’t displacing anyone currently playing…….if he showed he could hit at the MLB level he’d be playing. The coaching staff has been observing his abilities for years. They need offense and IMO, he doesn’t move the needle.

Julien is an issue and not really much of a contributor to date either. I see Keaschall or Lewis at 1B going forward and Eddie needs to get his hitting together to carve a niche at DH and occasional 2B……….do not see the organization letting him play 1B on any regular basis.

Keirsey hit in AAA. How do you know he can't hit? You believe social media? Almost nobody can hit in the MLB if they don't get ABs. You are totally disregarding his AAA production before he came up & evaluating him on nothing.  He needs a chance which he hasn't been given. Give him that chance then you can evaluate his hitting.

"Even so, he's still valuable as a LH CFer to spell Buck against RHPs, a pinch runner or a defensive sub. He was used as a PR, he stole 2B, provided a spark, scored a run, became a defensive OFer & then was forgotten"

[DJL44]

54 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

Keirsey hit in AAA.

He did not. An 850 OPS in AAA is not impressive, especially for a 27-year-old. Good hitters put up an OPS > 1000 in AAA. Alex Kirilloff had an OPS > 1100 in AAA.

[bean5302]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Keirsey hit in AAA. How do you know he can't hit?...

 

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

He did not. An 850 OPS in AAA is not impressive, especially for a 27-year-old. Good hitters put up an OPS > 1000 in AAA. Alex Kirilloff had an OPS > 1100 in AAA.

To further quantify Keirsey's hitting prowess by season at the level he played the most...

2018 = a21 Rookie Ball - .307/.371/.427 wRC+ 111
2019 = a22 Low A Ball - .137/.245/.161 wRC+ 29 <--- no longer a good prospect
2020 = DNP
2021 = a24 High A Ball - .199/.297/.433 wRC+ 96
2022 = a25 AA Ball - .271/.329/.395 wRC+ 86 <--- no longer a prospect, period.
2023 = a26 AA Ball - .305/.363/.488 wRC+ 123
2024 = a27 AAA Ball - .300/.368/476 wRC+ 119

Now, the whole "he hit at AAA" argument conveniently ignores Keirsey's age 26 results at AAA in 2023.
2023 = a26 AAA Ball - .264/.375/.364 wRC+ 93 <--- didn't hit well at AAA, even at an advanced age.

[JD-TWINS]

3 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Career averages from expected contributors this year
Miranda .299
Correa .274
Lewis .268
France .262
Wallner .254
Martin .253
Vazquez .252 <-- this is almost unbelievable
Castro .248
Buxton .244
Bader .242
Larnach .236
Julien .233
Jeffers .230
Lee .221 

It's a good starting spot for people trying to identify the likelihood a guy hits .250+. 

Wallner was hitting .150 or maybe less until 2 games ago - now he’s at .303. It’s not terribly difficult for a bunch of guys to hit their career average or .250 after 20-35 AB’s. If a half dozen guys hit .250-.290 they’ll be OK. 

[JD-TWINS]

55 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

 

To further quantify Keirsey's hitting prowess by season at the level he played the most...

2018 = a21 Rookie Ball - .307/.371/.427 wRC+ 111
2019 = a22 Low A Ball - .137/.245/.161 wRC+ 29 <--- no longer a good prospect
2020 = DNP
2021 = a24 High A Ball - .199/.297/.433 wRC+ 96
2022 = a25 AA Ball - .271/.329/.395 wRC+ 86 <--- no longer a prospect, period.
2023 = a26 AA Ball - .305/.363/.488 wRC+ 123
2024 = a27 AAA Ball - .300/.368/476 wRC+ 119

Now, the whole "he hit at AAA" argument conveniently ignores Keirsey's age 26 results at AAA in 2023.
2023 = a26 AAA Ball - .264/.375/.364 wRC+ 93 <--- didn't hit well at AAA, even at an advanced age.

If he could hit he’d be in the line-up! The fans don’t NEED to see a guy perform for the Team to make a sound judgement on his capabilities…….agree with your AAA comments………again, if he were capable the Team would take advantage!

[DJL44]

39 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

 

To further quantify Keirsey's hitting prowess by season at the level he played the most...

2018 = a21 Rookie Ball - .307/.371/.427 wRC+ 111
2019 = a22 Low A Ball - .137/.245/.161 wRC+ 29 <--- no longer a good prospect
2020 = DNP
2021 = a24 High A Ball - .199/.297/.433 wRC+ 96
2022 = a25 AA Ball - .271/.329/.395 wRC+ 86 <--- no longer a prospect, period.
2023 = a26 AA Ball - .305/.363/.488 wRC+ 123
2024 = a27 AAA Ball - .300/.368/476 wRC+ 119

Now, the whole "he hit at AAA" argument conveniently ignores Keirsey's age 26 results at AAA in 2023.
2023 = a26 AAA Ball - .264/.375/.364 wRC+ 93 <--- didn't hit well at AAA, even at an advanced age.

His best projection is .250/.310/.375 and his worst is .225/.275/.335. I'd say there's an 70% chance his production is in that range.

[JD-TWINS]

4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Keirsey hit in AAA. How do you know he can't hit? You believe social media? Almost nobody can hit in the MLB if they don't get ABs. You are totally disregarding his AAA production before he came up & evaluating him on nothing.  He needs a chance which he hasn't been given. Give him that chance then you can evaluate his hitting.

"Even so, he's still valuable as a LH CFer to spell Buck against RHPs, a pinch runner or a defensive sub. He was used as a PR, he stole 2B, provided a spark, scored a run, became a defensive OFer & then was forgotten"

Once Lee or Keaschall or Martin hit well enough they will take his spot on the 26 man roster. Castro will play the OF as needed as others that play IF can contribute.

Last year I was begging to let Kiersey play in the Show! My real life assumption is that the Team doesn’t think he can hit - if he could he’d be in the line-up. Right? What would be the reasoning to hold a good hitter out of the line-up? Is Rocco trying to get himself fired - is the whole coaching staff trying to get themselves fired?

The progression for success in the Show isn’t, put guys in the line-up and let’s hope they can break through - that’s an under .500 team  approach in late August/September……can’t be in the mix and experiment at MLB level.

I DO AGREE that I’d rather see Kiersey or somebody else “with promise” getting AB’s v. Gasper and a couple other fringe guys like France.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

10 hours ago, LambchoP said:

I know it's only ten games, but I think a message needs to be sent. Give Zebby Paddack's rotation spot and move him to the pen. Demote Gasper and or Julien and call up Keaschal and Martin. Show this team that results are expected and if you're not doing your job, someone else will get a chance to do it. This team has no energy or fire and it shows. No leadership, no direction. Total mess, really sad. Other coaches get the best out of their players. Seems like we get the absolute worst version of our guys. What's the deal with Correa? If he hits like this while costing the team 37 million? Lol?! It's not like you can send him to AAA. IL most likely, but then who plays SS?

DFA Paddack, I bet he clears waivers

[bean5302]

48 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

DFA Paddack, I bet he clears waivers

He'd clear in 30 seconds as every team smashed the lik... I mean the "NO" button on claiming.

[bean5302]

4 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

If he could hit he’d be in the line-up! The fans don’t NEED to see a guy perform for the Team to make a sound judgement on his capabilities…….agree with your AAA comments………again, if he were capable the Team would take advantage!

I mean... there's no absolute guarantee Keirsey can't hit, just it's very unlikely.

3 hours ago, DJL44 said:

His best projection is .250/.310/.375 and his worst is .225/.275/.335. I'd say there's an 70% chance his production is in that range.

I think the models are mostly aggressive on him. I'd take OOPSY's projection because that's exactly what somebody in front office would be saying at the end of the year if Keirsey gets more than 150 PA.

Need to have Ryan George do a "whoopsie" pitch meeting for the Twins at the end of the year...

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

DFA Paddack, I bet he clears waivers

and elect free agency, then sign with a different MLB team