Plan that Vegas Trip - A's Stadium Plans Revealed

[Dave Borton]

Slots, casino, hotel, bars and retail.

Oh, yeah. A retractable roof ballpark as well. Come for the enterainment and a game will break out.

 

https://www.ktnv.com/news/first-look-at-the-planned-resort-that-could-replace-the-tropicana

[Parfigliano]

Busy making plans to see the A's in Sacramento 

[Vanimal46]

1 hour ago, Parfigliano said:

Busy making plans to see the A's in Sacramento 

Bring lots of sunscreen!

[nicksaviking]

I still can't believe that the MLB actually thinks people are going to book summer trips to Las Vegas to watch baseball games. This league is so short sighted.

And it's the smallest TV market too, so it's not like that's going to save the day.

See you in Montreal in 2035 Athletiques.

[USAFChief]

8 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I still can't believe that the MLB actually thinks people are going to book summer trips to Las Vegas to watch baseball games. This league is so short sighted.

And it's the smallest TV market too, so it's not like that's going to save the day.

See you in Montreal in 2035 Athletiques.

March to May and September through November are the busiest times in Vegas.

 

But it doesn't really matter. Baseball will do great in Vegas.

[The Great Hambino]

12 hours ago, USAFChief said:

March to May and September through November are the busiest times in Vegas.

 

But it doesn't really matter. Baseball will do great in Vegas.

Yeah, I could see it being the "value" option for fans that can't afford to come see their NFL team play the Raiders

[Vanimal46]

On 10/18/2024 at 8:53 PM, USAFChief said:

But it doesn't really matter. Baseball will do great in Vegas.

They won’t have a loyal fan base but I doubt the owner cares. Similarly to the Raiders, the Athletics home field will be a tourist destination for opposing fans. 

[nicksaviking]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

They won’t have a loyal fan base but I doubt the owner cares. Similarly to the Raiders, the Athletics home field will be a tourist destination for opposing fans. 

I guess we'll see. My thought is they'll pack the stadium for the first few years and then there will be a dramatic drop off.

NFL fans travel, but those teams play once a week, usually on weekends, and their games are an event. They also can go up to eight years between visits to an opposing team. And most of the fan bases that travel are the northern city teams who love to find a reason to vacation November through March. They'll get fans who are going to Vegas because their favorite team is playing there. Hey, the Vikings play in Vegas, let's make a weekend of it. 

After the novelty wears off, I think the A's are going to have to rely on tourists who were already going to Vegas anyway and are dedicated enough baseball fans that they'll go regardless of who's playing. And it won't help that outside of Seattle, the rest of their division plays in southern CA and Texas. The perception is that those fans don't travel like northern city fans do. Though last I recall you were in Austin, so you'd know better than I about that.

[Mike Sixel]

I'll be surprised if they do well after year 2 or so. 

[Wellimam]

It is definitely worth visiting Las Vegas, it is definitely what to see there. We went with friends in the summer and it was quite cheap. I stayed 7 days at a 5-star hotel practically in the center. Everything has organized a company, so if you want to see options here.

[Riverbrian]

Additional non-traditional revenue streams. Hotel, Bars, Restaurants, Casino, Retail, Parking plus the traditional revenue. 

Baseball in Vegas is going to survive quite well until the other 29 teams add similar additional revenue streams. 

Baseball in Vegas is more likely to trigger the other teams to request new venues from local government with non-traditional revenue.

Target Field just became outdated. 

 

 

[chpettit19]

3 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Additional non-traditional revenue streams. Hotel, Bars, Restaurants, Casino, Retail, Parking plus the traditional revenue. 

Baseball in Vegas is going to survive quite well until the other 29 teams add similar additional revenue streams. 

Baseball in Vegas is more likely to trigger the other teams to request new venues from local government with non-traditional revenue.

Target Field just became outdated. 

 

 

Target Field has hotels, bars, restaurants, retail, and parking around it. Atlanta has "The Battery." Toronto has a hotel in center field. The Cubs have Wrigleyville. Most MLB owners try to buy up property around their stadiums and make money off the stadium being there. I don't think the As are doing anything almost every other team hasn't done or tried to do. The difference really is the location. Vegas hotels, bars, restaurants, casinos, and retail are different than Minneapolis hotels, bars, restaurants, and retail. The ability of the locale to drive traffic to the area for those things that you can try to poach a few ticket buyers out of is the question. Tampa is constantly ripped for their stadium being in such a bad location where there's nothing around it. The Brewers have a casino right down the street, but like having their large parking lots around the stadium to allow for tailgating. I don't think this stadium outdates Target Field at all. I think Minneapolis not being as popular of a downtown as it used to be already did that damage to Target Field.

Will the Fishers own those hotels, bars, restaurants, casinos, retail, and parking? And will they choose to invest the revenue from those businesses into their baseball team? Some owners do, some don't. Atlanta counts revenue from The Battery as baseball revenue and puts it into the team. Not every team does. If the Fishers don't own the revenue streams around the stadium or choose not to invest their revenue in the team that stadium may be just as empty as the Coliseum was after the novelty wears off. Will be interesting to watch.

[Riverbrian]

29 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Will the Fishers own those hotels, bars, restaurants, casinos, retail, and parking? And will they choose to invest the revenue from those businesses into their baseball team? Some owners do, some don't. Atlanta counts revenue from The Battery as baseball revenue and puts it into the team. Not every team does. 

This is the question. I honestly don't know what the Fishers will get out of the deal or if outside investors or the city itself is going to take all of the Casino revenue. I'm sure it's complicated. 

However... If I was an owner talking with other cities about relocation. If I'm talking with Las Vegas. I'm asking for a Casino attached to the stadium for the additional revenue. I'll sink money into it which is easy for me to say when it's not my money. 😎

Once the Braves started pulling in non-traditional revenue from the Battery. Why wouldn't the A's ask for that for that diversification.

If the A's get it. The other 28 teams will be surely start putting pressure on cities to provide the same. We will hear the same thing we heard when the Metrodome wasn't producing enough suite sales or parking money to the club that the newer stadiums of the 80's were now producing. 

I don't know the details of the agreement but if the revenue from the entire complex (all or a portion) ends up in Fisher's pocket. It's a game changer regardless if the Fisher's reinvest it back into baseball. 

Who knows... The only thing that I can assume. This new stadium regardless of market size is going to produce more revenue than Oakland's crappy old stadium ever could. That's why they are leaving the highly populated Bay Area for a smaller population in the middle of a desert with an average July temperature of 165 degrees. 

I was in Las Vegas in July once. It was 110 degrees at 12 Midnight. I left a sweat trail walking the strip. As my sweat flowed from the sidewalk into the storm drains. I single handedly increased the water level of Lake Mead and probably provided enough to keep the Bellagio Fountains going for about a month.  

[chpettit19]

57 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

This is the question. I honestly don't know what the Fishers will get out of the deal or if outside investors or the city itself is going to take all of the Casino revenue. I'm sure it's complicated. 

However... If I was an owner talking with other cities about relocation. If I'm talking with Las Vegas. I'm asking for a Casino attached to the stadium for the additional revenue. I'll sink money into it which is easy for me to say when it's not my money. 😎

Once the Braves started pulling in non-traditional revenue from the Battery. Why wouldn't the A's ask for that for that diversification.

If the A's get it. The other 28 teams will be surely start putting pressure on cities to provide the same. We will hear the same thing we heard when the Metrodome wasn't producing enough suite sales or parking money to the club that the newer stadiums of the 80's were now producing. 

I don't know the details of the agreement but if the revenue from the entire complex (all or a portion) ends up in Fisher's pocket. It's a game changer regardless if the Fisher's reinvest it back into baseball. 

Who knows... The only thing that I can assume. This new stadium regardless of market size is going to produce more revenue than Oakland's crappy old stadium ever could. That's why they are leaving the highly populated Bay Area for a smaller population in the middle of a desert with an average July temperature of 165 degrees. 

I was in Las Vegas in July once. It was 110 degrees at 12 Midnight. I left a sweat trail walking the strip. As my sweat flowed from the sidewalk into the storm drains. I single handedly increased the water level of Lake Mead and probably provided enough to keep the Bellagio Fountains going for about a month.  

Oh, I have no doubt ownership sees a path to more money. That's the safe answer to why teams decide to do any non-baseball item in question. I just don't think this (or The Battery) is anything new. And I don't think it automatically makes it a smart decision for the league. It may be good for the league, but it very well be yet another shortsighted decision that leads to an influx in cash while hurting their longterm success as they hurt their overall fanbase. We'll see. I'm nowhere near smart enough to make a strong guess. Outside of John Fisher seeing a path to more money with the move.

[nicksaviking]

Call me a buzzkill, but I don't care for Vegas. When I travel, I like to see authentic places. Local bars, restaurants, historical stuff. The strip just seems line one big Senior Frogs, even the places that are supposed to be traditional or 'classy'.

And Freemont isn't any better now that they put that weird LED roof over the whole area to try to make it more like the strip. The Art District or whatever that hipster area is between the Stratosphere and downtown was the only part that appealed to me.

[chpettit19]

15 hours ago, Malingtof said:

Casinos bring in a lot of money, so it’s completely unclear why the owners don’t want to invest part of this profit into the team!?

I didn't question the WHY at all, I questioned the IF. The WHY is always clear. Human greed. The IF is always the only question. It's always a question of IF they will invest, not WHY they didn't if they choose not to.

[Eldless]

On 12/26/2024 at 8:12 PM, Riverbrian said:

This is the question. I honestly don't know what the Fishers will get out of the deal or if outside investors or the city itself is going to take all of the Casino revenue. I'm sure it's complicated. 

However... If I was an owner talking with other cities about relocation. If I'm talking with Las Vegas. I'm asking for a Casino attached to the stadium for the additional revenue. I'll sink money into it which is easy for me to say when it's not my money. 😎

Once the Braves started pulling in non-traditional revenue from the Battery. Why wouldn't the A's ask for that for that diversification.

If the A's get it. The other 28 teams will be surely start putting pressure on cities to provide the same. We will hear the same thing we heard when the Metrodome wasn't producing enough suite sales or parking money to the club that the newer stadiums of the 80's were now producing. 

I don't know the details of the agreement but if the revenue from the entire complex (all or a portion) ends up in Fisher's pocket. It's a game changer regardless if the Fisher's reinvest it back into baseball. 

Who knows... The only thing that I can assume. This new stadium regardless of market size is going to produce more revenue than Oakland's crappy old stadium ever could. That's why they are leaving the highly populated Bay Area for a smaller population in the middle of a desert with an average July temperature of 165 degrees. 

I was in Las Vegas in July once. I had actually planned to visit a casino, but the heat was so overwhelming I didn’t dare step outside. Instead, I decided to dive into the atmosphere without leaving my hotel and used https://casinoofthekings.ca/no-verification/
 to pick a reliable option online. It was 110 degrees at 12 Midnight. I left a sweat trail walking the strip. As my sweat flowed from the sidewalk into the storm drains. I single handedly increased the water level of Lake Mead and probably provided enough to keep the Bellagio Fountains going for about a month.  

 Vegas heat is brutal, but extra revenue streams make it worth leaving Oakland’s crumbling ballpark behind.