Game Thread: Twins @ Kansas City, 5/22/22 @ 1:10pm CT

[Squirrel]

9 minutes ago, LVTwinsfan said:

It’s called win expectancy, it’s a percentage, and it’s a real thing, and I would be willing to bet that Rocco knew  exactly what his win expectancy was in the 6th inning with 2 on and nobody out and being down 2 runs

Yeah, I know what win expectancy is … I don’t buy that he just gave up as you are claiming, And if that’s your opinion, fine … I just don’t agree with it, and, frankly, think you’re wrong that he just gave up

[LVTwinsfan]

6 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Yeah, I know what win expectancy is … I don’t buy that he just gave up as you are claiming, And if that’s your opinion, fine … I just don’t agree with it, and, frankly, think you’re wrong that he just gave up

Of course, if I am right, I’m sure we could all agree he shouldn’t be manager

[Squirrel]

7 minutes ago, LVTwinsfan said:

Of course, if I am right, I’m sure we could all agree he shouldn’t be manager

I don’t believe that the manager or the players just gave up. I think that those of you making that claim are projecting. You saw things go wrong and just piled on the wagon because you all gave up forgetting that a game is at least 9 innings long and groused for the next couple of innings. Now, we can discuss whether or not the decisions made during the game were good or bad … always lots to discuss there, some I agree with, some I don’t, per usual. And we’d probably agree in some of it. You can think what you want about game decisions, but these claims that the manager just gave up, is crap.

[LVTwinsfan]

1 minute ago, Squirrel said:

I don’t believe that the manager or the players just gave up. I think that those of you making that claim are projecting. You saw things go wrong and just piled on the wagon because you all gave up forgetting that a game is at least 9 innings long. Now, we can discuss whether or not the decisions made during the game were good or bad … always lots to discuss there, some I agree with, some I don’t, per usual. And you can think what you want about game decisions, but these claims that the manager just gave up, is crap.

 I don’t think he just gave up. But I don’t believe he honestly tried to win. Leaving Cano in was a mistake, I said it in real time, just before Santana’s AB. He wasn’t going to all of of sudden be effective, if I can see that from my living room Rocco can see it from the dugout. I believe his attitude was, we already won this series, so I’m leaving a Cano in and we’ll see what happens. Hardly a winning attitude, more of an analytical approach

[Rosterman]

Kudos and congrats to a well-manmaged game, I guess! Hey,  WE WON!

[stringer bell]

I don’t think any professional concedes, but it’s a question of how many resources to commit. Duran, Pagán, Jax, Thielbar and Smith weren’t going to come in, leaving Canó and Megill in the sixth. Baldelli probably was planning to split the sixth, seventh and eighth between Canó and Megill. When the Twins cut the gap to one run, a higher leverage arm (Duffey) was put in. 

[LVTwinsfan]

28 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

I don’t think any professional concedes, but it’s a question of how many resources to commit. Duran, Pagán, Jax, Thielbar and Smith weren’t going to come in, leaving Canó and Megill in the sixth. Baldelli probably was planning to split the sixth, seventh and eighth between Canó and Megill. When the Twins cut the gap to one run, a higher leverage arm (Duffey) was put in. 

I never said he gave up, even though I was accused of it a number of times and told I don’t know how long a game is. Leaving Cano in until he got 1 out accomplished nothing except give up more runs. He should have replaced him after he pitched to three batters and couldn’t get any outs. That’s all I said 

[Squirrel]

3 hours ago, LVTwinsfan said:

Rocco did give up on this game in the 6th. I’m sure the program told him his odds of winning were slim, so might as well let them have it. Good job boss

 

7 minutes ago, LVTwinsfan said:

I never said he gave up, even though I was accused of it a number of times and told I don’t know how long a game is. Leaving Cano in until he got 1 out accomplished nothing except give up more runs. He should have replaced him after he pitched to three batters and couldn’t get any outs. That’s all I said 

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[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, LVTwinsfan said:

I never said he gave up, even though I was accused of it a number of times and told I don’t know how long a game is. Leaving Cano in until he got 1 out accomplished nothing except give up more runs. He should have replaced him after he pitched to three batters and couldn’t get any outs. That’s all I said 

It’s possible they wanted to see if the inexperienced reliever could find his way out of a jam against an inferior team. And since he didn’t, they’ll shuffle the deck with a new reliever soon. 

[LVTwinsfan]

Just now, Vanimal46 said:

It’s possible they wanted to see if the inexperienced reliever could find his way out of a jam against an inferior team. And since he didn’t, they’ll shuffle the deck with a new reliever soon. 

Kind of proves my point, long season, already won the series, this game doesn’t mean that much… 

[LVTwinsfan]

3 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

 

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Man I thought I had found and reread all my posts, didn’t see that one , sorry

But obviously he didn’t just throw in the towel. I just thought leaving Cano in was a turning point and he gained nothing by leaving him in

[Squirrel]

2 minutes ago, LVTwinsfan said:

Man I thought I had found and reread all my posts, didn’t see that one , sorry

But obviously he didn’t just throw in the towel. I just thought leaving Cano in was a turning point and he gained nothing by leaving him in

And, that, is a talking point I can agree with. I questioned the decision, too … I think we all did. But I don’t think anyone was giving up. Thanks. ?

[stringer bell]

Second guessing is fun. The results usually back up whatever assertion you are making. The fact of the matter is that there aren’t any certainties. A manager can go against every percentage and tendency and still succeed or on the flip side, they can have boatloads of stats favoring a move and fail. 
 

I’m sure Royals fans are second guessing their manager, but I don’t think he made a strategic error 

[lecroy24fan]

3 hours ago, rwilfong86 said:

If they lose yes, but don't count the chickens before they're hatched. I'm hoping the Yankees take care of business ?

I'm not a Yankees hater at all as my dad was a Yankees fan growing up. But eff them tonight.

[rwilfong86]

8 hours ago, lecroy24fan said:

I'm not a Yankees hater at all as my dad was a Yankees fan growing up. But eff them tonight.

And the Twins lead is 4 games as I said yesterday. 

[sampleSizeOfOne]

15 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

If I knew you were heading on 290 to Austin, I would have recommended Pieous in Dripping Springs. Best pastrami sandwich in the south! 
 

Sorry was concentrating on driving and didn't catch the post.

 

I also know i am not planning to stay round long enough to give all the good eats their fair due...

 

And thanks all for taking good care of the game thread, and by extension, the game!

(And for leaving it unarchived long enough for me to get a* last word in!)

 

 

 

 

*i know better than to use the direct article. Chief will reverse ninja me.