Bauer Traded to Reds in Three-Team Deal with Padres

[Danchat]

 

To quote Chief, you acquire good talent when you can. Worst case they have a great rental to dangle at next year's deadline at the cost of a prospect and 2 months of Puig.

I'm not sure about a top 50 prospect for one year of Bauer... methinks it would be better if Cincinnati built for the future since their squad is pretty lousy. Perhaps they'll make some moves over the offseason that will show that they are ready to compete in 2020.

[SwainZag]

 

I think Cleveland is better now, especially if their injured pitchers return and are good.... unfortunately.

 

I think that's a lot to ask for.  Kluber isn't a spring chicken and wasn't exactly dominate in his 1st 7 starts, Salazar hasn't pitched in the majors in nearly 2 years and who knows what will happen with Carrasco.  Sure, they could all come back strong, but I think it's a pretty iffy. Bieber-Clevinger is a nice 1-2 already unfortunately.

[SwainZag]

 

I'm not sure about a top 50 prospect for one year of Bauer... methinks it would be better if Cincinnati built for the future since their squad is pretty lousy. Perhaps they'll make some moves over the offseason that will show that they are ready to compete in 2020.

 

Or extend Bauer.

[Mike Sixel]

I think that's a lot to ask for. Kluber isn't a spring chicken and wasn't exactly dominate in his 1st 7 starts, Salazar hasn't pitched in the majors in nearly 2 years and who knows what will happen with Carrasco. Sure, they could all come back strong, but I think it's a pretty iffy. Bieber-Clevinger is a nice 1-2 already unfortunately.

Even one coming back would be a huge boost. I agree, it's very unlikely all three do.

 

No chance they extend Bauer, he's been clear on that.

[Jham]

I agree but it still baffles me that the Indians and I am mostly guessing other teams also had such under performing outfielders and Denard Span is still sitting at home. At least tonight's games went according to script. Indians playing tougher team and loses. Twins playing easier team and wins. Hopefully this trend continues for a while.

Better performance: losing to Verlander 2-0 or being the fish 2-1? Not liking the trend in play.

[drivlikejehu]

The thing about Cleveland's rotation is that Plesac, Plutko, etc. aren't actually any good. Putting on a Cleveland uniform doesn't magically turn someone into a good starting pitcher. Bauer has taken a step back this year but is still a solid mid-rotation starter at worst. 

 

Cleveland did get marginally better only because their corner OF and DH spots were so unbelievably bad beforehand. But they could have accomplished the same thing without trading Bauer. 

 

The key to the trade for Cleveland then isn't those guys, despite their clear role in the 2019 season - it's Allen. So this was an interesting move by Cleveland to get cost-controlled starting pitching without tanking their 2019 season. But the 2019 impact is relatively small.

[Jamie Cameron]

Outside the box idea, Twins trade for Bauer and Garrett or Iglesias. Not going to happen, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that the Reds flip Bauer.

[SwainZag]

 

Better performance: losing to Verlander 2-0 or being the fish 2-1? Not liking the trend in play.

 

Uh...why?  Win is a win.  Twins have won 4 of last 5 on this roadtrip.  Don't need to score 10 runs every night to win a ballgame.

[Bomba2026]

Well after seeing that fight tonight I think Trevor Bauer will fit right in! This is better than NHL! You don't throw at guys btw and I don't have any problem with someone pointing this out.

[SwainZag]

 

Outside the box idea, Twins trade for Bauer and Garrett or Iglesias. Not going to happen, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that the Reds flip Bauer.

 

Why would they give up their #1 prospect to flip him?  I can see them flipping him next year at the deadline if he doesn't want to extend and the Reds aren't a contender, but right now it doesn't make sense.

[nicksaviking]

I don’t get this move for SD. Trammell has to be one of the most over-hyped prospects out there. He is only a corner outfielder and his only plus quality is that he’s young for his league. At some point you have to be a plus hitter if you’re going to be a corner bat and get a top 50 ranking, don’t you? It’s almost like he’s being ranked as if he played SS.

 

Reyes had 5+ seasons of control left, I’m not a big fan of his either, but what is the bonus to swapping these two?

[Dantes929]

 

Better performance: losing to Verlander 2-0 or being the fish 2-1? Not liking the trend in play.

Better performance is the win.    Defensively,   giving up 1 run to the Marlins is a better performance than giving up 2 runs to Houston since Houston does not score twice as many runs  as the Marlins.   Offensively scoring 2 runs against Miami isn't great but you can't do any worse than score zero runs so offensively we were better also..  Add in that we were playing on the road and Cleveland was playing at home, its pretty one sided in favor of the Twins..

[Mike Sixel]

[drivlikejehu]

 

I don’t get this move for SD. Trammell has to be one of the most over-hyped prospects out there. He is only a corner outfielder and his only plus quality is that he’s young for his league. At some point you have to be a plus hitter if you’re going to be a corner bat and get a top 50 ranking, don’t you? It’s almost like he’s being ranked as if he played SS.

Reyes had 5+ seasons of control left, I’m not a big fan of his either, but what is the bonus to swapping these two?

 

Yeah this implies that Reyes had almost no trade value at all. Otherwise you can't account for giving up Allen for Trammell (even if someone likes Trammell).

[BINGBONG69]

Alright Falvey, your move. Pull the trigger on whatever big move you're sitting on. Go get Syndegaard, Diaz, Ray, Minor, Vasquez, Yates, whatever big names you've asked about, go get them. I'll take pennants over prospects any day. Fortune favors the bold.

[Mr. Brooks]

Or extend Bauer.

Bauer is only going to do 1 year deals.

[Rigby]

....and Max wept.

[Doomtints]

Silver lining: The Twins probably won't have to face the Yankees until the league championship if they fall to a wild card spot.

[Jham]

Uh...why? Win is a win. Twins have won 4 of last 5 on this roadtrip. Don't need to score 10 runs every night to win a ballgame.

I'm glad we won. But in the context of figuring out if we're able to outplay Cleveland to the finish line, I disagree that a win is a win. Holding your own against a title contender's ace is a strong effort. Sneaking by a tanking team (apparently playing Ok) with a starter (talented) making his 5th start isn't necessarily more impressive. like a swinging bunt single vs a ball to the fence but caught.

[SwainZag]

 

I'm glad we won. But in the context of figuring out if we're able to outplay Cleveland to the finish line, I disagree that a win is a win. Holding your own against a title contender's ace is a strong effort. Sneaking by a tanking team (apparently playing Ok) with a starter (talented) making his 5th start isn't necessarily more impressive. like a swinging bunt single vs a ball to the fence but caught.

 

I just don't see how getting completely dominated at home by Verlander is considered "holding your own" and would ever be seen in better light than a road win, regardless of the team.

[Bomba2026]

Haha haha I could not be happier for Keplers fav pitcher. He is with a team where he will fit right in. And Cleveland gets a guy with WWE potential and bad hair. Hopefully that should keep the Indians distracted for the rest of the season!

[ashbury]

Hopefully that should keep the Indians distracted for the rest of the season!

I don't remember seeing this aspect played up, and that surprises me. I guess the Indians FO had their eyes wide open before making this trade, but to me it smacks of desperation. The chance of it blowing up in their faces seems really high.

 

I think they felt Bauer had forced their hand, given that there was no way to get rid of him after August 1 if he displayed another act of insubordination.

 

But personally, I'd rather deal with a high-end pitcher with an attitude, than a high-end position player with one. With pitchers, it just comes with the territory - there's that Yogi Berra tongue-in-cheek quote that "all pitchers are liars or crybabies." Also, with Bauer so adamant about one-year contracts, you'll always have that leverage over his behavior - and at minimum he's not going to tank while performing. Puig's playing for a contract, too, but I feel as though he's a bit more entitled, confident that someone's going to set him up for life during this off-season. Mind-reading's always dangerous, I know.

[Jham]

I just don't see how getting completely dominated at home by Verlander is considered "holding your own" and would ever be seen in better light than a road win, regardless of the team.

Keeping one of the best offenses in baseball to 2 runs with 8 0s put up is a positive. Offensively, yeah, gross. But we only had 4 hits (cle had 2). We pitched well enough. I'll take a win over a loss any day, but I still believe yesterday showed Cleveland is legit and not simply feasting on awful teams. I also left impressed with Gallen... I think, fair or unfair, our expectations going in to the series makes a difference.