DaveW: Dodgers trade for Dozier to be completed within the next 24 hours

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

DaveW,

Thank you for starting this thread. It has helped me with reading during the workday the past few days, and has been fun to follow (mostly) from afar.

Do you think the holdup is on the Twins side, as far as the players they are wanting to get? Or is the holdup more that the Dodgers are waiting on Justin Turner, Kenley Jansen and then potentially trading Brandon McCarthy or Scott Kazmir to create 40 man space? Or are those moves completely unrelated to any potential Brian Dozier trade?

Thanks again!

Brandon McCarthy has started 13 games in the last 2 years and pitched a total of 63 innings. Who would want to take on his remaining 2 years and $20 million?

I was high on Kazmir a few years ago, but his WHIP the last 2 years is > 1.35. He appears to be a long shot to rebound and is owed $32 million over the next 2 years.

 

If the Dodgers are waiting to trade one of those two they are in for a long wait.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Brandon McCarthy has started 13 games in the last 2 years and pitched a total of 63 innings. Who would want to take on his remaining 2 years and $20 million?

I was high on Kazmir a few years ago, but his WHIP the last 2 years is > 1.35. He appears to be a long shot to rebound and is owed $32 million over the next 2 years.

 

If the Dodgers are waiting to trade one of those two they are in for a long wait.

 

More, I was just saying that the Dodgers are full on their 40 man, so that could become an issue if they are wanting to resign Turner, at the very least. I don't know if that should/would hold up a Dozier trade, but if they are adding someone like Dozier to their 40 man roster, at least one guy who is currently on the 40 man would have to be doing out. That's all.

 

[Mike Frasier Law]

You need multiple sources before it's legitimate, right?

 

Well...

 

A dodgers fan posted this same rumor on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesotatwins/comments/5hbkb5/dodger_fan_here_heard_we_might_be_trading_for/?st=iwhwpzz0&sh=a0090752

 

Bam. Two sources. Never mind that the Reddit post cites this thread as his source.

[Cory Engelhardt]

Well, and Dustin Nosler, writer for Dodger Digest (and was on Brandon Warne's podcast the other day) was reporting all day yesterday on twitter that he was hearing the pieces for a Dozier trade too. He was saying he was hearing De Leon, Brock Stewart and then two other lower level pieces.

 

But, the talk is out there in other places.

[ashbury]

Never mind that the Reddit post cites this thread as his source.

Sweet. LA fans reading our game thread.

 

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[DaveW]

And I thought you had a sense of humour, I am disappoint.

true. This thread is my baby now! You can take jabs at me, but keep my cute litttle thread out of it!

[HitInAPinch]

 

As of 4:18 PM we are 517 posts.  

 

I will put the over/under at 605.  This takes into account most of us go home from work around 4:30 or 5:00 and the messages slow a bit.  

 

I think that leaves us with a window of about 7:00 or 8:00 for the trade.

 

I will take the under.

When I logged in this morning, there were 666 posts.  That's gotta be an Omen...

 

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[Badsmerf]

Sweet. LA fans reading our game thread.

 

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[Oldgoat_MN]

 

Well, and Dustin Nosler, writer for Dodger Digest (and was on Brandon Warne's podcast the other day) was reporting all day yesterday on twitter that he was hearing the pieces for a Dozier trade too. He was saying he was hearing De Leon, Brock Stewart and then two other lower level pieces.

 

But, the talk is out there in other places.

 

I think De Leon and Stewart sound good.

Both have impressive SO/9 and WHIP numbers that look really good in AAA.

 

Just do it.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

I think De Leon and Stewart sound good.

Both have impressive SO/9 and WHIP numbers that look really good in AAA.

 

Just do it.

 

Agreed, that would be a great start. The Twins would probably get another lower level piece, and/or maybe two (thing guys who are at the GCL level) but this would absolutely be a good trade on our end.

[Steve Lein]

 

Well, and Dustin Nosler, writer for Dodger Digest (and was on Brandon Warne's podcast the other day) was reporting all day yesterday on twitter that he was hearing the pieces for a Dozier trade too. He was saying he was hearing De Leon, Brock Stewart and then two other lower level pieces.

 

I'd keep Dozier for that deal. 

 

De Leon, Stewart, and Lux I might go for. Otherwise De Leon/Bellinger, De Leon/Alvarez or forget it.

 

I would add something on the Twins side to make the last two happen, but I would not take this specific suggestion. I would not grade it a win for the Twins initially if they do.

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

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Never mind that the Reddit post cites this thread as his source.

 

That is priceless.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

I'd keep Dozier for that deal. 

 

De Leon, Stewart, and Lux I might go for. Otherwise De Leon/Bellinger, De Leon/Alvarez or forget it.

 

I would add something on the Twins side to make the last two happen, but I would not take this specific suggestion. I would not grade it a win for the Twins initially if they do.

 

Yeah I'm hoping for Bellinger or Alvarez, but I don't know if that is realistic. But if the Twins can get De Leon, Stewart, Lux and then a lottery ticket 16 or 17 year old, I'd do that deal too for sure. I'd have a hard time saying that De Leon, Stewart and two 16 year olds would blow them away, but you never know.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I'd keep Dozier for that deal. 

 

De Leon, Stewart, and Lux I might go for. Otherwise De Leon/Bellinger, De Leon/Alvarez or forget it.

 

I would add something on the Twins side to make the last two happen, but I would not take this specific suggestion. I would not grade it a win for the Twins initially if they do.

 

Then what? Just not have any pitching in 2017, and not add pieces for 2018 and beyond? Just pretty much keep the same team? I mean, I guess 100% of everything could break right, and they could win like 75 or so.....

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Then what? Just not have any pitching in 2017, and not add pieces for 2018 and beyond? Just pretty much keep the same team? I mean, I guess 100% of everything could break right, and they could win like 75 or so.....

 

The Twins still can talk to other teams than the Dodgers.

[Mike Sixel]

 

The Twins still can talk to other teams than the Dodgers.

 

Fair, but who? The Pirates aren't doing this, no matter what people think. The Yankees might, maybe, but do they have a SP prospect even as good as De Leon? The LAA....no farm system? 

 

If they don't trade Brian, and keep this team pretty much as is, well, they won't be competing for some time. The White Sox did it right, imo.

[Loosey]

I really could see a Turner deal holding this deal up.  If the Dodgers don't sign Turner they will need to turn around and trade for a 3rd baseman as well as a 2nd baseman.  They only have so many assets to trade and if they give a portion of them to the Twins they may not be able to get a Turner replacement.  Once the pieces of that fall in place hopefully it will get things rolling.

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Fair, but who? The Pirates aren't doing this, no matter what people think. The Yankees might, maybe, but do they have a SP prospect even as good as De Leon? The LAA....no farm system? 

 

If they don't trade Brian, and keep this team pretty much as is, well, they won't be competing for some time. The White Sox did it right, imo.

 

The Diamondbacks could build a trade around Archie Bradley, potentially. The Braves have a TON of pitching and could easily offer a deal. The Phillies have a decent number of prospects/arms and have been rumored to be in talks for a good month now, as have the Angels (even if they don't have ANY prospects to deal)

 

Just saying, the Dodgers SEEM like the best fit (they probably are) but other teams would offer something for him if the Dodgers aren't giving the best deal.

[Steve Lein]

 

Then what? Just not have any pitching in 2017, and not add pieces for 2018 and beyond? Just pretty much keep the same team? I mean, I guess 100% of everything could break right, and they could win like 75 or so.....

 

The Twins, absolutely cannot, make any trade of Dozier for an underwhelming return, just because they need pitching, or we feel they have to.

 

e.g.: Johan Santana

[Mike Sixel]

Not a huge fan of any Braves SP ....the Phillies are rebuilding, they aren't trading prospects for a 2B, imo.

 

Why is AZ trading SP? I mean, I have no idea what their new leadership thinks, so it's possible, but I don't see it.

 

Not saying Dodgers or bust, but it is hard to see a better match, or even a good match......

 

If they need a 3B, just sign Plouffe. He's adequate, given the rest of their team.

[Mike Sixel]

 

The Twins, absolutely cannot, make any trade of Dozier for an underwhelming return, just because they need pitching, or we feel they have to.

 

e.g.: Johan Santana

 

Just checking, but you'd rather have Dozier for two meaningless years, than De Leon and another prospect or two, because why? I mean, I get it, no one wants to sell for 95 cents on the dollar, but if the option is to burn the dollar and get nothing, isn't 95 cents better?

[DaveW]

Trade is still "very close" and could be completed at literally any moment.

[Cory Engelhardt]

Also, I don't think the Twins should pigeon-hole themselves in HAVING to get pitching in any trade. If they like an outfielder or a shortstop better long term than the pitching that is being offered, you want to get the best assets back in any trade of Dozier.

That said, I hope they can upgrade their pitching asap.

[Pardon My Dinger]

The Mets could still squeek in and surprise with an offer. 

[Cory Engelhardt]

 

Not a huge fan of any Braves SP ....the Phillies are rebuilding, they aren't trading prospects for a 2B, imo.

 

Why is AZ trading SP? I mean, I have no idea what their new leadership thinks, so it's possible, but I don't see it.

 

Not saying Dodgers or bust, but it is hard to see a better match, or even a good match......

 

If they need a 3B, just sign Plouffe. He's adequate, given the rest of their team.

 

I think if it is the Braves, they would have to include Mike Foltynewicz (who I think is on the verge of potentially becoming an ace) but I don't know if they would want to trade him.

 

The Phillies, you never know. They have a bunch of prospects and young arms, and Dozier might hit 60 homeruns in that ballpark. Plus, it's not like they couldn't afford to give him an extension.

 

Arizona has a LOT of starting pitching, and could always use someone like Dozier. They aren't THAT far behind, especially with stars like Goldschmidt and Pollock. IF they started a deal for Dozier, it would be Bradley plus something else, but they don't have a lot in terms of prospects.

 

Plouffe is not in Justin Turner's ballpark. Not close.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think if it is the Braves, they would have to include Mike Foltynewicz (who I think is on the verge of potentially becoming an ace) but I don't know if they would want to trade him.

 

The Phillies, you never know. They have a bunch of prospects and young arms, and Dozier might hit 60 homeruns in that ballpark. Plus, it's not like they couldn't afford to give him an extension.

 

Arizona has a LOT of starting pitching, and could always use someone like Dozier. They aren't THAT far behind, especially with stars like Goldschmidt and Pollock. IF they started a deal for Dozier, it would be Bradley plus something else, but they don't have a lot in terms of prospects.

 

Plouffe is not in Justin Turner's ballpark. Not close.

 

Oh, I get that last part for sure! That was more about if they can't sign Turner, they don't NEED to trade for a 3B, they can sign an adequate one.

 

I agree AZ could be good, but they haven't signaled which direction they are going, really....

[Steve Lein]

 

Just checking, but you'd rather have Dozier for two meaningless years, than De Leon and another prospect or two, because why? I mean, I get it, no one wants to sell for 95 cents on the dollar, but if the option is to burn the dollar and get nothing, isn't 95 cents better?

 

That's not enough, in my opinion. And though I agree they might be meaningless years, nobody knows that for sure.

 

I bet the Twins would have loved to have a Cy-young winner on their 2008 staff.

[d-mac]

 

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[Loosey]

 

Trade is still "very close" and could be completed at literally any moment.

That is good news.  Do you have the details of the trade?  Who are the 2 Dodger Centerpieces.  And are the Twins still only sending Dozier and possibly a low level minor league filler?

[d-mac]

 

Agreed, that would be a great start. The Twins would probably get another lower level piece, and/or maybe two (thing guys who are at the GCL level) but this would absolutely be a good trade on our end.

 

That's probably a pretty fair deal. I know people were hating on him, but I'd do De Leon, Stewart, and Calhoun. Then if the Twins got creative, they could package E. Santana and Calhoun to the Mariners, O's, Pirates, or some other near contending team that's looking for a reliable #3 starter.