Nunez is not a major league SS

[DaveW]

And he might be the dumbest player in the majors. Throwing to first, zero outs, bases loaded, bottom of 10th.

 

Rebuttals?

[howeda7]

That's your take away from this game? Lol. Brilliant.

[USAFChief]

Well...it IS one takeaway.

 

Neither Nunez nor Escobar are everyday big league SS's, and until the Twins fix that, they ain't winning anything, fancy mnor league system or not.

 

EDIT:  I think the Twins know that, too, which is why they tried so hard to let Santana win the job.

 

 

[DaveW]

That was the dumbest play I have seen in my life.

[DaveW]

That's your take away from this game? Lol. Brilliant.

well that, ****ty managing and an embarrassing bullpen

[Kwak]

You would have had some credibility if you had posted this comment before his misplay tonight.

[DaveW]

You would have had some credibility if you had posted this comment before his misplay tonight.

oh, I have been saying it all year. He has no biz being on this roster

[Halsey Hall]

1, 2, 3............here it is!

[TheLeviathan]

You would have had some credibility if you had posted this comment before his misplay tonight.

Your flaw is in thinking Dave has credibility with these "posts".

[USAFChief]

Instead of talking about Dave, perhaps address the point?

 

Can the Twins win with Escobar and/or Nunez as the primary SS?

 

I don't think they can, at least not unless the rest of the lineup is the 27 Yankees.

[twinsnorth49]

 

well that, ****ty managing and an embarrassing bullpen

You forgot ****ty starting pitching.

[howeda7]

It was a dumb play to throw to 1st but the game was over either way.  The bobble on a hot smash happens. Blaming this game on Nunez is like complaining about which song the band was playing on the Titanic.

 

FWIW, if he doesn't break the starters nose, I think we lose 7-4 or so.

[SwainZag]

 

Instead of talking about Dave, perhaps address the point?

 

Can the Twins win with Escobar and/or Nunez as the primary SS?

 

I don't think they can, at least not unless the rest of the lineup is the 27 Yankees.

 

I would say if anything is clear that this year proved that neither of them should be a candidate for a starting SS for the future.  You could say most already knew that but...

[twinsnorth49]

 

Instead of talking about Dave, perhaps address the point?

 

Can the Twins win with Escobar and/or Nunez as the primary SS?

 

I don't think they can, at least not unless the rest of the lineup is the 27 Yankees.

Agreed, I didn't read where Dave said Nunez cost them the game, but who wants to debate how jackass stupid that play was and whether he's a MLB shortstop? 

 

Answers

 

It was really ****ing stupid

and

No he's not

[TheLeviathan]

I guess I didnt realize we needed a Numez mistake in mid August to determine SS is an issue.

[Danchat]

We all know Nunez isn't very good defensively. Or at least, most of us know. Dick and Bert have been talking about Nunez's "improved" defense at SS... and I haven't see it. Sure, he's got a great arm, but he's a poor fielder. He's a bench bat at best.

[Twodogs]

 

well that, ****ty managing and an embarrassing bullpen

You know, the managing tonight had that infield in the exact right spot to turn a home to first DP.  Perkins has been less than stellar for the last month also, but he was probably in the game at the right time for what he is supposed to be able to do.

[Twodogs]

 

 

It was a dumb play to throw to 1st but the game was over either way.  The bobble on a hot smash happens. Blaming this game on Nunez is like complaining about which song the band was playing on the Titanic.

 

FWIW, if he doesn't break the starters nose, I think we lose 7-4 or so.

Hot smash???  Maybe according to Harry Carey at the end of his career, everything was a hot smash to him at that point, especially when his metamusil would work.  But I mean, the grounder that I saw was just a normal ground ball to the shortstop, I mean I even kinda thought it was sorta slow and I was thinking the extra couple of hops because it wasn't hit hard may have caused the bobble.  But that play needs to be made, the infield was positioned perfectly for that play that they needed.  And Perkins gave them the ground ball they needed too.  I didn't think that was a very hot smash. IMO

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

For the record, no one forced me to click on this thread and read it against my will LOL

 

I think Escobar can be a stop gap until Santana or someone else takes over.

 

Nunez can hit, cannot field. That's the trade off.

 

Suzuki is brutal. I know the Twins are in love with Suzuki's .585 OPS but he's just a backup at this point. Like Nunez and Escobar, I guess.

[Seth Stohs]

I actually think Nunez has been pretty solid at SS when he's played there. No, he doesn't have huge range, but he makes most of the plays.

 

Yup, the last error was bad. He didn't have a play at home after the bad hop and bobble, so it was weird to throw it to first, but yeah.

 

And yeah, I think that the Twins can be a winning team with Escobar as their every day shortstop, and Nunez as a backup.

 

Nunez stood up to the media after the game and fully put the loss on his back, but that's not true at all. SP gave up 6 runs in 5 innings. Manager kept trying to steal bases. Lefties in the bullpen didn't get it done on this night (they've both actually been OK of late). Just an ugly, long game.

[Twodogs]

 

I actually think Nunez has been pretty solid at SS when he's played there. No, he doesn't have huge range, but he makes most of the plays.

 

Yup, the last error was bad. He didn't have a play at home after the bad hop and bobble, so it was weird to throw it to first, but yeah.

 

And yeah, I think that the Twins can be a winning team with Escobar as their every day shortstop, and Nunez as a backup.

 

Nunez stood up to the media after the game and fully put the loss on his back, but that's not true at all. SP gave up 6 runs in 5 innings. Manager kept trying to steal bases. Lefties in the bullpen didn't get it done on this night (they've both actually been OK of late). Just an ugly, long game.

seems to happen against the Yankees a lot?

[USAFChief]

That was just about the best possible thing to have happen in that situation, a ground ball right at a drawn in infielder. 6-2-3, bingo bango, Two outs, no runs, second and third. It's even better than a K, since with two out a fly ball no longer ends the game, you can go back to playing normal depth, and as a bonus first base is open if you fall behind the next hitter.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Didn't realize Nunez stood up and took the blame. I kind of appreciate that. But I hope 5 or 6 other guys did that too. I am sick of these Yankees losses.

[USAFChief]

 

And yeah, I think that the Twins can be a winning team with Escobar as their every day shortstop...

Not even the Twins think that, or he'd have been given that opportunity by now.

[howeda7]

OK, Harry. Don't over-analyze it. The point is a bobble there happens. It's not in the top 5 reasons the Twins lost this game.

Hot smash???  Maybe according to Harry Carey at the end of his career, everything was a hot smash to him at that point, especially when his metamusil would work.  But I mean, the grounder that I saw was just a normal ground ball to the shortstop, I mean I even kinda thought it was sorta slow and I was thinking the extra couple of hops because it wasn't hit hard may have caused the bobble.  But that play needs to be made, the infield was positioned perfectly for that play that they needed.  And Perkins gave them the ground ball they needed too.  I didn't think that was a very hot smash. IMO

 

[Seth Stohs]

 

Not even the Twins think that, or he'd have been given that opportunity by now.

 

They may not think that. I think that he can. Especially if he plays like he did last year, which maybe he would have if given that chance earlier in the season. Hindsight is 20/20.

[Willihammer]

The YES broadcast showed a slow replay of it and it looked clear that Nunez thought there were 2 outs. The ball was hit right to his glove, he started towards first with his feet in preparation to throw there the whole time. Its almost a shame he bobbled it. Had he not, the Twins would have no choice but to give him the Hicks treatment, right?

[rghrbek]

 

The YES broadcast showed a slow replay of it and it looked clear that Nunez thought there were 2 outs. The ball was hit right to his glove, he started towards first with his feet in preparation to throw there the whole time. Its almost a shame he bobbled it. Had he not, the Twins would have no choice but to give him the Hicks treatment, right?

Funny I was kinda thinking the same thing.  The way he positioned himself I was wondering where he was going to go with the ball...then he bobbled it, so I guess we will never know

[nater79a]

Pure genius and quick thinking by Nunez on the throw to first.    Avoided being charged with the error...

[DaveW]

Your flaw is in thinking Dave has credibility with these "posts".

The fact is: that play was terrible, if that happens in a playoff game etc that goes right up there with Buckner. The Twins inability to address SS seemingly anytime the past 30 years successfully more than a stop gap or two is widely up for debate. In no scenario IMO should Nunez even be in the INF in that situation.