Article: Trade Candidate: Kevin Correia

[Brock Beauchamp]

So you'd just cut Correia on July 31, if there is no offer better than some other team's fringe 40-man castoff?

 

EDIT: I guess if they are willing to pick up Correia's salary, you could get the fringe 40-man guy and just run him through waivers right away. (I suspect between the roster spot, the salary, and the marginal performance record, any scenario where we don't pay Correia's last 2 months salary is somewhat unlikely.)

 

If no one is willing to eat the salary... do you cut him then?

 

A tough question. I'm not sure... I may cut him if no team is willing to take him by mid-August.

[troyhobbs]

So you'd just cut Correia on July 31, if there is no offer better than some other team's fringe 40-man castoff?

 

EDIT: I guess if they are willing to pick up Correia's salary, you could get the fringe 40-man guy and just run him through waivers right away. (I suspect between the roster spot, the salary, and the marginal performance record, any scenario where we don't pay Correia's last 2 months salary is somewhat unlikely.)

 

If no one is willing to eat the salary... do you cut him then?

 

I wouldn't cut him if no one wants him but I wouldn't be remotely stingy about any offers for him. He's gone at the end of the year regardless (unless they pull another Pelfrey on us) and this season's relevance is all but diminished so he's nothing more than a warm body out there with no future purpose to this team.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I will suggest most trades are not based on one month ERA samples. If you can find a comparable to Correia who has been a deadline deal in the past, I will gladly listen.

 

Joe Saunders in August two years ago for Matt Lindstrom.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Joe Saunders in August two years ago for Matt Lindstrom.

 

Saunders had a 102 career ERA+ at the time, and a 97 ERA+ for the season (Correia's peak). (Also lefthanded, perhaps a bonus.) Also Arizona apparently had to kick in some cash to deal him? Lindstrom wasn't free either, he was making $3.6 mil that season.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Saunders had a 102 career ERA+ at the time, and a 97 ERA+ for the season (Correia's peak). (Also lefthanded, perhaps a bonus.) Also Arizona apparently had to kick in some cash to deal him? Lindstrom wasn't free either, he was making $3.6 mil that season.

 

You aren't going to make this easy, are you?

 

Joe Blanton for PTBNL in August of 2012.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Saunders had a 102 career ERA+ at the time, and a 97 ERA+ for the season (Correia's peak). (Also lefthanded, perhaps a bonus.) Also Arizona apparently had to kick in some cash to deal him? Lindstrom wasn't free either, he was making $3.6 mil that season.

 

One more try. Joel Pineiro from the Red Sox to the Cardinals in 2007 on July 31 for a minor leaguer named Sean Danielson.

[Otto von Ballpark]

You aren't going to make this easy, are you?

 

Joe Blanton for PTBNL in August of 2012.

 

Believe me, I've thought of most of these names already!

 

Blanton and Pineiro are getting close, like Ramon Ortiz. Their recent records resembled Correia's, but they too had 96-97 career ERA+ marks at the time, and Blanton had a not-embarrassing playoff record to boot.

 

It's really tough to find a guy with a ~97 ERA+ peak getting moved at the deadline. There's just very little upside for a contending team.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Here is a report from Fangraphs, starting pitchers from 2000-2014 with career ERA- marks between 111 and 121 (centered on Correia's mark of 116):

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2014&month=0&season1=2000&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=18154&players=0&sort=14%2cd

 

Not a lot of guys targeted for trade on that list, and the few that were (Ricky Nolasco!) still had some combination of higher peaks, better current seasons, and/or younger age.

[tobi0040]

I wouldn't cut him if no one wants him but I wouldn't be remotely stingy about any offers for him. He's gone at the end of the year regardless (unless they pull another Pelfrey on us) and this season's relevance is all but diminished so he's nothing more than a warm body out there with no future purpose to this team.

 

 

Meyer just pitched 6 IP, 5 H, 0 runs, and 8 k tonight. His ERA is now 3.11. He has 115K in 101 IP.

 

The Twins seem infatuated with AAAA types and need to have at least one in the rotation at all times. So I would cut Correia right now if we can't get a prospect for him. Not 7/31, not 8/15 or 8/31. We don't need to waste Meyer inning at peak velocity, something tells me he is ready (see stats above)

[Jeremy Nygaard]

Simply cutting Correia would be ridiculous.

[tobi0040]

Simply cutting Correia would be ridiculous.

 

Under the premise that no team would trade for him, you think it makes more sense to give Corriea another 10 starts, then leave as a free agent? Over giving those starts to Meyer or May? Seems completely logical to me. One helps the team in the long term and one doesn't.

 

You can't make decisions today based on sunk costs.

[laloesch]

Under the premise that no team would trade for him, you think it makes more sense to give Corriea another 10 starts, then leave as a free agent? Over giving those starts to Meyer or May? Seems completely logical to me. One helps the team in the long term and one doesn't.

 

You can't make decisions today based on sunk costs.

 

This a strong point that I've been trying to make for a few days now. If May hadn't suffered the oblique injury i'd fully expect him to be at the major league level by now. There is simply no reason to carry Correia any longer given he is not part of the long term plans and has had a rather mediocre/ bad season. If the Twins can't trade him by July 31st, I fully expect them to DFA him and bring up May.

 

Meyer on the other hand is on a strict innings limit. I kinda understand the Twins reluctance to call him up this season. Although last nights outing was a doozy.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Simply cutting Correia would be ridiculous.

 

Agreed, especially with Nolasco still on the shelf. I might shift Correia to the pen upon his return (would he demand a trade again?), to slot in both Meyer and May, but I would keep KC around as a non-embarrassing fill-in rather than release him (particularly if Meyer is looking at a September shutdown).

[by jiminy]

bingo

[tobi0040]

Agreed, especially with Nolasco still on the shelf. I might shift Correia to the pen upon his return (would he demand a trade again?), to slot in both Meyer and May, but I would keep KC around as a non-embarrassing fill-in rather than release him (particularly if Meyer is looking at a September shutdown).

 

If we want to get creative that is fine. If KC is taking innings from Pino, Johnson, or Darnell I don't really care. The reality to me is he is likely going to be in the rotation and taking innings from Meyer or May, which is unnacceptable and if that is the case, cut him if we can't get anything for him.

 

My gut tells me after signing Nolasco, Hughes, and Pelfrey last offseason we shopped him and didn't find any suitors. He has not pitched as well this year....so the market for him is not booming.

[h2oface]

The last two Correia outings........... what a time to not create value.

[Shane Wahl]

Correia has about 2 million bucks left on this contract? If the Twins were offering Correia and the bulk of this $2 million, they might be able to actually get someone. Someone who is comparable in overall quality to Stephen Pryor but not some AAAA player like Pryor.

[zchrz]

If anyone gives up even a filler prospect I would be rather surprised. KC is organizational relief at this point because if he sucks people are not going to be mad whereas if a prospect struggles they are going to get worried. Give his innings to prospects that have a chance to help down the line, be that with his trade for a low minors neverwillbe or his stashing in the bullpen as ultimate mop up man. There is once again futile innings aplenty to go around, lets cut some teeth with them.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

So many choices, so little time.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I am wondering if Correia can stick around long enough to lose 20 this year? That might be a fun storyline to watch down the stretch.

[Thrylos]

Simply cutting Correia would be ridiculous.

 

Why exactly after last night's gem? The guy is in the same shoes that Blackburn was a couple seasons ago. He doesn't have it any more. DFA him. If someone bites and wants to work out a trade (like the Twins did with Nunez) fine, if not, you are over the opportunity cost of having him out there every 5 days. There is one option used this season on May, better be a playing option.

[jokin]

This a strong point that I've been trying to make for a few days now. If May hadn't suffered the oblique injury i'd fully expect him to be at the major league level by now. There is simply no reason to carry Correia any longer given he is not part of the long term plans and has had a rather mediocre/ bad season. If the Twins can't trade him by July 31st, I fully expect them to DFA him and bring up May.

 

Meyer on the other hand is on a strict innings limit. I kinda understand the Twins reluctance to call him up this season. Although last nights outing was a doozy.

 

May did not suffer an oblique injury, it was a calf strain.

[jokin]

With Nolasco down and Deduno seemingly permanently demoted to the bullpen, you'd think that May could get a revolving door spot start. That said he just returned from the oblique injury and only was allowed to pitch three innings in his last start.

I can understand the front office's reluctance with Meyer as he is slowly being built up from that shoulder injury he suffered a few years ago and he has a bit of ways to go before he's ready to start at the major league level.

 

In fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if we don't see him in September. That said, there is absolutely NO excuse not to call up May sometime in early August.

 

Calf strain injury.

[drjim]

I'm mildly surprised Correia wasn't DFAed last night. He serves no purpose anymore and trade value isn't changing. I figured they would want to call up another reliever.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm mildly surprised Correia wasn't DFAed last night. He serves no purpose anymore and trade value isn't changing. I figured they would want to call up another reliever.

 

Gardy's post-game comments sounded like a kid talking about their security blanket. Your blanket isn't doing the trick anymore but, dangit, it's still his binkie!