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No doubt Atlanta has shelled out for some free agents. They also have guys they extended for what is well below market rate. They got 3 extra years control of Acuna for $17M/year which is half his market rate. What do you think Austin Riley would get if he were a free agent? Probably closer to 30M/year? Ozuna had the same potential but has not worked out as well. They got 3 extra years control of Albies for $7M a year which is incredible value, right? $22m/year for Matt Olson looks far better than $33M for Correa. Olson was worth over 6 war this year and the contract is through his age 36 season. The Braves have not done these ridiculous deals with guys through their age 40 season. They let Donaldson walk because he wanted a contract through his age 38 season. The Braves have been damn smart in how they spend!
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Do you have a link to this source? It sounds like MLB has evaluated markets as to their potential. You have somehow concluded that team spending should be based on potential as opposed to actual revenue which is fanatical logic. I am not sure I can illustrate how vehemently this premise would be rejected in any major corporation in America. I would guess most people who post here have the potential to make more money than they do presently. Do you suppose posters here base their budget on potential or what they actually earn?
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Matching Up With The Mariners
Major League Ready replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Mariners are not trading Kirby unless they get an absolutely absurd haul. How many examples can we come up with where a pitcher with Kirby's profile was traded by a team entering a window of contention. There is probably no more than one or two examples if any that would be reasonable comps in the last 20 years. We did not get Alcantara or Perez from Miami. The Twins got a guy that had been a mid-rotation guy that they obviously believed had upside. Seattle is a great trade partner but Miller, Hancock or Woo will be much more likely to be traded. Seattle is in a strong position to contend and they don't need to trade a proven elite SP to get hitting. That can be done by trading away one of the other three or free agency. Put the shoe on the other foot. If the twins were in their position we would all be saying absolutely no way should they give up Kirby when one of Hancock, Woo or Miller will bring back a great hitter. -
I just don't know if that model is feasible, especially in this market. It seems like the most likely solution is one produced by MLB which would provide a much better opportunity for signing large / national organizations to advertising contracts. There would also be advantages to scaling the supporting infrastructure and personnel. A coordinated effort through MLB would also likely make it easier to distribute game of the week type contracts so that there was not conflict. IDK, there is much to consider. My guess is that this evolves over the next few years.
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You are assuming that this prediction model is correct and outside entities like Forbes / Statista and others report are wrong. Statista and others like them are subscription services people / companies pay for to get accurate data. Should we assume they are incompetent? Should we assume the Twins TV deals have always been among the lowest in the league because they are just that inept and negotiating a contract?
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It sounds like you want them to spend based on a projection of what this market should be able to produce as opposed to actual revenue. Go ahead and be mad they are not generating more revenue but it makes absolutely no sense to be mad they are not spending money that they are not actually generating. If your wife said hey ... I read a study that says we have the capacity to make 50% more than we are making so I am going to spend 50% more, would say geez hon that seems like perfectly reasonable? You have been hammering this point about market rankings. While it is worthy of exploring if this market really has that kind of potential, it makes zero sense to insist they spend based on potential. Like I said, be mad they are not generating more money but expecting them to spend money they are not making is sure to end in disappointment.
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You know we are talking about something that is unlikely when you have to have to reference a trade that was made over 30 years ago as an example.
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This makes perfect sense. However, the general gist of what people are asking for is that they ignore any common sense or business intelligence. Basically, we want them to place no value on money because they have a lot of it. My wish is not that they ignore any financial prudence but that they find avenues to generate more money by expanding the availability of TV coverage because I find now wisdom in hoping / insisting a business continue to spend while revenues go down. I am hoping they are willing to spend as much as they are reasonably able.
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If you are going to take the risk on a rookie, Martin makes waaaaaaay more sense with Kiersey and Erod as back-ups in the event he does not rise to the occasion. That would allow Erod 2-3 months at AA. Even that would be super aggressive but it's a lot better plan than jumping him from high A to MLB.
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That deal has a lot of potential upside but I would think Toronto wants pitching back. Either a great prospect or more likely if it were the Twins, Ryan or Ober. That potentially hurts us for several years where the downside of the deal you suggested is one year where Kepler is concerned and we have multiple potential replacements for Polanco. This one is the definition of high risk / high reward.
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With the opinion that players should make generational wealth in a decade and go wherever they can maximize that wealth but owners should not care about making money. Personally, if the Pohlads were willing to dig into their own pockets, I would hope they would opt to spend $20M on homeless shelters or battered women shelters or any other worthy cause rather than produce 2 more wins for our team through spending in free agency. That would be a much better use of their money.
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I see the likelihood of trade exactly the opposite. What outfield depth do we have if Kepler is traded. Who knows if Buxton can play the OF at all. Matt Wallner was very good but he has a total of a little over 300 major league ABs. Larnach is the definition of unproven. What do you have if Wallner gets hurt? I would seem to me that Kepler is much less likely to go than Polanco or Farmer. I could see both of Polanco and Farmer being traded before Kepler. Polanco has the most trade value and the highest salary so my bet his he does not break camp with the Twins.
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Why would farmer start if Polanco is traded? Are you assuming Kirilloff is not able to return and Julien moves to 1st?
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What Can the Twins Get For Nick Gordon?
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Is my memory off because I could swear last off-season there were a lot of people praising Gordon and calling for him to be the starting LFer?- 62 replies
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Did he look average to you? A .65 ERA and 12.9K/P does not seem average to me.
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I think Polanco gets traded to the highest bidder. Kepler .... I just don't know. Do the Twins believe his turnaround is sustainable. They are thin in the OF so I don't see them trading him if they believe. My guess is that Kepler only goes if they really like the return but they take the best offer available for Polanco. Farmer is the biggest mystery to me. He fits really well in a platoon with Julien and he provides flexibility. I think they hold onto farmer unless they get an offer they really like.
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I believe someone reported 125-140. Of course, we are all hoping for the $140M. Thus, we have decided payroll will be $140M. 😎
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He did not look easily replaceable last year. We have 4 years of control in his prime. Not high on my list of guys to get rid of.
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Pump the Brakes On These Prospects
Major League Ready replied to Greggory Masterson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That seems about right given three years of control with 2 of them club options at only $8M. How about this comp. Berrios has averaged 2.7 WAR over the last 3 years. He gets $17m/year. Peralta has averaged 3 WAR. Berrios is at $18.3M. It would take a significant prospect package to get Peralta but is he the guy we need? He gives you a chance to win a lot of regular season games but he is not a replacement for Gray. BTW .... I too do not believe Lee has looked like an elite prospect. Very good prospect but not elite. Peralta for Lee + another decent prospect is one of the more reasonable trade suggestions I have seen here.- 97 replies
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What Can the Twins Get For Nick Gordon?
Major League Ready replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Can Falvey / Lavine convince another team that Gordon’s 2023 was purely a product of injury and the real Nick Gordon is the 2022 version. He finally got over his medical issues in 2022 so it’s a plausible point of view. Gordon still has four years of control in his prime and we have seen him be a solid contributor. He could appeal to other cash strapped teams or a contender needing bench help. He is not going to bring back a starting pitcher but a decent prospect seems possible.- 62 replies
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Makes sense. I just think where position players are concerned that bat should be a RH OFer or Jung-Hoo Lee / Kiermaier would be fine even though they are LH. Martin could sure change this equation but he has some more proving to do. The other big potential improvements are already here in the form of Correa and Buxton. How good would our offense be if those two guys are healthy and play to their potential. I know, big IF but wow would that be great.
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The Positive of Reducing Payroll
Major League Ready replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Obviously, if you assume they make a bad signing the dollars don't help. That risk obviously exists for any team. Just look around the league at all the free agents who are mediocre or worse. BTW .... There were 150 position players with a lower WAR and 230 with a lower wRC+. The whole "one of the worst" players in the league is way over the top. There is a bright side or upside of giving some young guys a shot. It's definitely the silver the lining.- 35 replies
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