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That kind of defense is eye catching. I see Correa playing 2-3 more years at SS. Imagine a future team with Correa at 3B, Noah Miller at SS, Brooks Lee at 2B and Kirilloff at 1B. Cue the Hue and Cry at the thought of Royce Lewis moving to the OF but between Lewis, Wallner, Emmanuel Rodriguez and Walker Jenkins the OF is covered. Lewis, Jenkins and Rodriguez can play CF even though all three could project to a corner. Wallner is a COF with a cannon for an arm and power. That leaves Julien and one of those OF for DH. With the youth movement coming you can see why Kepler, Polanco and probably Larnach are getting traded. Miller can spend the next 2 seasons (maybe 3) working on an offensive approach that favors contact and a good eye at the plate with strong hit and run and bunting skills. If he can do that he's closer to A. Simmons than Jack Wilson. But defense like he would bring always plays. Mark Belanger was never an offensive juggernaut but he was solid. Greg Gagne is probably a good comp minus the footspeed and occasional power. Miller could finally ascend to the Twins once he's ready to become the regular SS or as an infield defensive replacement for his first year. Correa will determine how long he stays at SS but to imagine a glove like that taking over for him in a seamless transition is exciting.
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Good opinions al around, even some I disagree with in part or mostly. Here's one thing I know for sure: The Twins will have a hard time defending their division championship if they don't find a way to acquire at least TWO "good" starting pitchers. The youth movement needs to continue, both in the field but also on the mound. Young guys can more than adequately replace guys like Thielbar (Funderburk) Polanco (Julien--his defense is not horrible. In fact, it was looking better toward the end of the year. Polanco's strength was never defense, no matter where he played. We're not needing to replace a Gold Glover). Kepler (Wallner). I'd even consider dealing Jax to get a bigger piece as I would replace him with Varland. So here's a couple deals that could be done to start moving some pieces around the chessboard: Kepler 8.8 BBTV and Bret Headrick 1.7 Total value: 10.5 to the Marlins for Edward Cabrera RHSP 8.5 26 y/o and Sixto Sanchez RHP 26 y/o. Cabrera moves into the #4 or #5 spot in the rotation. Sanchez is a Wild Card with a 99 mph fastball and a 96 mph sinker who works at St. Paul to begin the season and can be called up to start or relieve later in the season. Polanco 8.8 Festa 8.7 Winder 4.9 and Miranda 5.1 Total Value: 27.3 to the Mariners for Bryce Miller 25.8 value 25 y/o. (You could substitute Bryan Woo at 24.6 value 23 y/o if you want). Seattle WANTS Polanco. Festa is a good get for the Marlins because they don't need to REPLACE Miller immediately, they already have 5-6 SP's in addition to Miller. Winder gives them a swing arm for the major league team or at worst a AAA arm they can call up. Miranda gives them a young hitter who could bounce back. The Twins now have a young arm in Miller (or Woo) who they can plug in at #2 behind Lopez. Ryan, Ober, Paddock and Cabrera fill out the rotation. Every arm but Lopez is still young and controllable for several years. Paddock is affordable. Varland moves to the pen and adds depth and a scary good power arm in shorter stints. (The Twins would still have Sanchez from the Marlins and Matt Canterino, both good power arms with electric stuff if they can stay healthy. The Twins would have promising, controllable pitching for the near future. They could sign Adam Duval and Nick Senzel for a couple RH bats that cover all 3 OF positions and Senzel can cover 2B & 3B. I wouldn't trade Vasquez until next year. You "MIGHT" even have enough money to make a play for June-hoo Lee to play CF. Cutting payroll is short-sighted and disappointing. But it doesn't preclude the Twins from still having a good off season if the right moves are made. It also doesn't allow for much margin for error. With
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I would caution anyone thinking the Twins will win the division in a breeze. Cleveland has great pitching. A lot of it is great YOUNG pitching. They should have Tristen McKenzie back and may or may not trade Shane Bieber. All Cleveland needs is better health and a little more hitting. So don't dismiss them so easily. The White Sox and Royals are terrible. But Detroit is getting better. The Tigers had a LOT of pitching injuries last year, but if their young pitching gets healthy, they have some emerging offensive talent in Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter. That's why this self imposed salary reduction is a poor plan for the Twins. It's not like they will be out the entire $55 million from Balley in 2024. And with a defending division championship and a good start next April, attendance should be solid for the Twins. They really don't need to be "limiting" themselves so quickly.
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We will all continue to debate this until the day comes that the Twins trade Kepler. Or trade Larnach. Or trade both in addition to Polanco. My thoughts on this have been clear. While Kepler is one of my favorite Twins on this team, you sell high in a case like this. If you don't trade him and he has a 2024 like his 2022 you missed an opportunity. If you don't trade him, and he has a 2024 like his second half last year you've had the benefit of him for the short term, but he's priced himself out of your plans in any scenario. You sell high on him now because you need 2 rotation spots filled and a CF as well. Signing Adam Duval and Nick Senzel gives the Twins two RH hitters who can cover any OF spot and Senzel can play 2B & 3B. Even if Twins ownership wasn't mandating a salary reduction for 2024 you'd still be looking to sell high on Kepler and Polanco. It's time for the youth movement. It began last year with Julien, Wallner and Lewis and it should continue in 2024. Where is it etched in stone that Castro only has value as a super utility guy? His defensive metrics in LF were tremendous last year. He brought an element of speed on the bases that has been missing since Rocco became manager. Honestly, Rocco would have stuck to twiddling his thumbs waiting for 3-run homers for all eternity despite the rules changes that opened up the running game in 2023. Castro started stealing bases. Putting pressure on the defense. Good things started to happen, and suddenly Rocco decides two months into the season, "Hey, maybe I should be a little more aggressive, I've only attempted like, 5 SB's and it's the end of May!" Castro in LF and batting 9th isn't a bad thing. If the price to pay to get us to a couple good SP's and a CF is Kepler, Polanco, some prospects and Castro in LF for 2024 I can live with that.
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Twins and Tigers Interested in Kenta Maeda
TopGunn#22 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
I can't disagree with that Finn, but even with the price of pitching expected to be high with so many teams not only looking for one but even two SP, I would NEVER have expected $18 million annually for Maeda. I would have topped out at $9 or $10. This is also "Exhibit A" to the Twins ownership and FO that CUTTING payroll is just a poor and shortsighted move. In my years as a TV Sales Manager, even COVID-19 never resulted in LOWERING the expected sales budget revenues year to year. It's not like they won't see ANY TV money this season, they will. But if DETROIT is willing to throw 2 yrs and $36 million at Maeda, that should open the eyes of Twins ownership and FO that if they want to defend their divisional title and be a player for the next 5 years, they better re-think this "CUT" in a hurry. "The Business" is not going to go under if they stretch the budget for 2024. Attendance will be solid and the TV contract money will get figured out. -
Twins and Tigers Interested in Kenta Maeda
TopGunn#22 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
MLB Trade Rumors is projecting Maeda gets a two year $36 million dollar contract. That's $18 million per. If I'm supposed to spend that much for a 35 year old pitcher who appears to be breaking down I'd rather spend $20 million on someone younger and with a higher ceiling. -
Twins and Tigers Interested in Kenta Maeda
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Five Trades to Add a Starting Center Fielder
TopGunn#22 replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Great suggestions Ted, I'm with Doc Gast and tony&rodney . Carlson and Moniak are the two best suggestions. Moniak is a LH hitter while Carlson is a switch hitter. I like the deal for Carlson the best. Not a bad idea to gamble on some upside. I'm not sure which side of the plate Carlson is better but with Castro also being a SH we could make something work.- 21 replies
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Jorge Polanco: First Baseman?
TopGunn#22 replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Carew moved to 1B. So did the diminutive Matty Alou when his speed started to diminish and his arm became so bad he was an even bigger liability in the OF. Alou could certainly make contact. A glorified Donovan Solano from the left side. That said, Polanco to 1B doesn't solve any of the Twins problems for me. I'd rather start working Julien out at 1B and put Kirilloff in a corner OF spot with Wallner. Polanco and Kepler are going to be needed in a deal or two separate deals to fill holes in the Twins rotation and maybe add a CF. -
If anything, this post demonstrated that some of these guys wouldn't be nearly as expensive as we think to acquire in a trade prospect-wise. Exhibit A is Alonso. As much as I like Goldy, I wouldn't do that trade. The others are intriguing. But the most pressing NEEDS of the Twins remain SP & CF. I can see a platoon of Castro and Nick Senzel in CF for the Twins. Works for me for 2024. Austin Martin is also a possibility if Senzel disappoints and he's playing well in St. Paul. It's time to sell high on Kepler and Polanco to fill the rotation question marks. I'd like to see the Twins trade for for SP and sign Frankie Montas. That should fit within their self-imposed budget reduction. Correa will have a bounce back season offensively in 2024. But we struggled against LH pitching and Lewis is the only other RH hitter to fear on the roster at this time. I'm not counting on anything from Buxton. So if you moved Kepler and Polanco. Went with a Castro/Senzel platoon to start the season in CF and or added Adam Duval for another RH power bat and OF depth you could maybe make that trade with the Mets and play Kirilloff in LF with Wallner in RF. It's going to be an interesting and probably at times frustrating off season as players land on teams not called the Twins.
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The name of the game is to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. Max has been one of my favorite Twins players since he came up, but he has also been very frustrating with his offense. The Twins are in a classic "sell high" situation. Kepler, Polanco and even possibly Vasquez are going to be dealt this off season to reduce the payroll minus a TV deal that ownership is projecting a $55 million dollar revenue loss. The frustrating part of the TV revenue projections are that the Twins aren't going to be $55 million in the hole. They will get a large chunk of that back for 2024. This is what makes our ownership annoying at times. RH hitters like Adam Duval and Nick Senzel can be added to the roster pretty cheaply. Trading Kepler at the height of his value (at least since 2020) with Max only being a Twin for one more season and a rotation that needs some re-stocking is smart baseball. It's time to cash in the chips on Kepler and Polanco, and maybe even Vasquez if Miami or Seattle really have interest in him. As fans, we had no idea Solano, Taylor or Gallo were on the Twins radar at this point last year. There are guys on the roster now or out there the Twins can use to replace Max, Polanco or even Vasquez. Fill the rotation holes. Get a RH bat or two to balance the LH bats. Since RpR will surely downvote this but not bother to comment, I welcome reactions to my thoughts from everybody else.
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Gotta pass on Goldy, though he's a future HOF. Alonso would be an interesting addition. He's better than a .217 hitter and the power and RBI's are undeniable. But he profiles more as a DH and with Buxton's millstone contract dragging the Twins down plus the fact that Alonso is a Scott Boras client, the likelihood of him signing an extension with the Twins is VERY small. That said, Alonso's BBTV is only 12.0. That's not prohibitive in any respect. Would a one-year rental be worth it? The Mets are not getting "a haul" with his value at twelve. I know BBTV has some limitations, but they've put him in a ballpark that is not exactly Fernando Tatis/Julio Rodriguez territory. Adam Duval was the guy I wanted the Twins to sign instead of Gallo last year and I couldn't believe the Twins went with a redundant LH bat. Gallo had good defensive metrics at 1B and the OF but Duval also had good defensive metrics in the OF and was capable of playing CF in addition to the corners. He could have been a RH platoon in LF and provided "Buxton Insurance" for CF. Our FO blundered and went with Gallo. Depending on how other moves play out, Duval would be a great fit with the Twins. Especially if LH hitting OF like Kepler and Larnach are moved. He's a solid RH power bat with above average defense. Bat him 7th. Both the Braves in 2022 and the Red Sox in 2023 didn't regret acquiring him.
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Heiny, from a BBTV perspective I've cobbled practically that same trade together !! I had Headrick in there instead of Gordon and I had Miller instead of Woo but either works from a BBTV perspective. Seattle gets a solid defense catcher whose offense could bounce back allowing them to use Raleigh at DH and 1B in addition to catcher. They get their 2B in Polanco and in my case a young LHP, in your case a OF/IF utility guy. The Twins stack their rotation with Lopez, Miller/Woo, Ray, Ryan and Ober. We finally add a LH to the rotation and move Varland to the bullpen for 2024. We still have Kepler, Larnach, Farmer and Miranda as possible trade pieces or we hold onto them. The Twins take on the contract of Ray (who earns $23 million in 2024 and $25 million in 2025 and 2026 with a player opt-out for 2025) as well as any possible injury to Ray. But Miller/Woo are both young and talented and (I'll jinx this now) both not likely to suffer an injury. Ray could be a short term or at least a 3-season fixture in the rotation. Miller or Woo would be there for a long time. So the question is: Would Seattle trade possibly 40% of their rotation to get a starting 2B, solid catcher and a young arm or utilityman? And would the Twins ever make a deal where they take on a $23 million dollar salary for 2024 with their current budget cutting posture? But Heiny, I like your idea !! I just went with Miller over Woo, but really, either one works.
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Twins Shopping Christian Vazquez
TopGunn#22 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
From a BBTV perspective this is a hard trade for the Twins to make . Vasquez carries about a negative 10 in value, and if you play the BBTV game, you can only ever trade him for some other team's negative, over-salaried problem. (think Kris Bryant). This could be a situation where "real life" baseball talent evaluations come into play. The Twins want someone like an Edward Cabrera from the Marlins. The Marlins are finally back to a place where they think they can compete for a playoff spot, even with the Braves & Phillies and the big spending Mets. BBTV's aside, would the Marlins be willing to trade us Cabrera and Sixto Sanchez for Polanco and Vasquez? In real world baseball, it just might be doable. A Polanco for Cabrera trade straight up works. Would they throw in Sanchez, a once bright prospect with a BBTV of zero for Vasquez a negative asset? If they feel they lack a catcher, especially one who works well with young pitchers, something they have in abundance, I think they might. I don't agree with Twins ownership needing to trim payroll. I think it's a big mistake with a team on the cusp and a TV deal that will eventually materialize. I think it's a foolish and premature overreaction. But the guys with the biggest bullseye's on their backsides are Polanco, Vasquez and Kepler. And if the Twins think they'd be alright with Julien/Lee, Camargo and Wallner stepping in at 2B, C and RF, then they very well could do this. They need a #1 or #2 SP to replace Gray. That guy could cost them payroll for 2024 but even more if they are serious about acquiring someone they would have to pay in 2025 and beyond. Those who point out the value of Vasquez and depth he provides are spot on. Camargo may have finally earned his chance. But veteran catchers who know what they're doing are extremely valuable in MLB. Even if BBTV says they're not only worthless, but a negative value on top of that. -
Mining the Tampa Bay Rays for Trade Targets
TopGunn#22 replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think you have to put the Mets owner near the top of the list for wealthy. And he's WILLING to spend. As much as I like to dream big, I think Beast is right. We will probably temper our spending. To me that eliminates Glasnow as a trade candidate at $25 million. I see a 2nd Tier FA signing for sure but no way am I going after a "Maeda" type. I'd like a little more Juice at the same or slightly higher price ($12 to $15 million per year) like Montas. I'd settle for an innings eater like Giolito. I'd gamble a bit for a Severino. But Glasnow despite the talent is just to big a risk at $25 million per. I don't see any way we acquire Arozarena and Margot has no "pop." However, Harold Ramirez is intriguing and the price isn't outrageous. He would be a BIG upgrade on Solano from a hitting standpoint and the 1B option helps a lot. Throw in some DH and just a "little" LF and it works.- 18 replies
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Max is one of my favorite players and I'd hate to see him go. But I'll bet he does not equal what he did last year and trade him. If the Twins are looking to contend AND cut payroll, then both Kepler AND Polanco need to be dealt for young, controllable SP. Cabrera from Miami could probably be had for Polanco straight up. That could be a start. But if the Twins want to take a bigger swing and deal for one of Seattle's SP's like Miller or Woo it would probably take Kepler, Polanco and someone like Marco Raya or David Festa. A deal like that would net Woo for sure, probably Miller. Wallner takes over RF and Julien is at 2B (with Lee pushing). But we still don't know who is playing CF or LF. I'd like to get someone like Miller or Woo by including Larnach instead of Kepler and saving Kepler for another deal or just starting him in RF and Wallner in RF. The Twins could also sign a 2nd Tier FA like Montas/Giolito/Severino/Wacha to fill out the rotation with Varland moving to the bullpen. Any way you cut it, I think we see a trade or trades that send Kepler, Polanco and Larnach out. Values for Kepler & Polanco are just too favorable not to and Larnach needs a change of scenery.
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Happy Thanksgiving to everyone by the way !! I've walked grand-dogs and gotten grandkids breakfast so this was my chance to check in. Probably not going to look at TD again until tomorrow.
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Lee by himself is worth Woo AND Miller. (according to BBTV). That's the problem with trying to come up with a trade with Seattle. Polanco 8.3 Miranda 5.1 Raya 6.9 and Larnach 5.5 is about 25.8 in value. Bryce Miller is 25.8. Woo is 24.6. A deal like this could work. Lee by the way is worth 48.1 so with Miller AND Woo being worth a little over 50 you could toss them Farmer worth 1.6 to even it out. But I doubt Seattle trades BOTH. Robbie Ray is a massive negative 30.2. Maybe you offer Polanco for Miller AND Ray? You'd have to take on the salary of Ray but you'd add two SP's to the rotation and move Varland to the bullpen. But would Seattle give up BOTH SP's? Even if we took the Ray contract off their hands? Seattle and Miami seem to be the best trade options for the Twins. BOTH would seem to be interested in Polanco. Seattle could also have interest in Miranda. You could possibly look for a trade involving Miller or Woo and Ty France for Polanco and Miranda. But that still requires someone like Emmanuel Rodriguez being included and I'd not be interested in that.
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I don't know if Emmanuel Rodriguez or Walker Jenkins will play an inning of CF when they finally make it to the big leagues. I don't know if Austin Martin is the answer there either. That's why I've advocated for a "sell high" on Joe Ryan in a deal that sends him to Milwaukee for Burnes AND Garrett Mitchell. The Brewers would do it to add a young, controllable SP with potential. They would also part with Mitchell because there might not be a team in MLB that has more, young, OF prospects than Milwaukee. A trade like this is risky. You give up all that control of Ryan to get a stud #1 SP who you have no guarantee you can sign to an extension beyond 2024. I believe the agent for Burnes is Scott Boras, and if that's correct that makes an extension difficult. Still, we worked with him for Correa. The other benefit is you would get a talented, young OF like Mitchell, who could step in and be your CF for 2024 and beyond. You would also have a young OF on your roster to replace the expected departures of Kepler and Larnach. The budget reductions are going to be tough for Twins fans to stomach. But I want the ownership and front office to take some big swings this off season, not just be overly budget conscious. A deal like that for Burnes & Mitchell. A Kepler for Cortes deal or a Polanco+ deal for Edward Cabrera and a FA signing of a Montas/Giolito/Severino type would set the Twins up with a very good rotation and bullpen. It's not just about winning the division. It's about being true World Series contenders. Texas and Arizona showed the baseball world it's possible. Maybe the Twins don't do "all" this before opening day. Maybe they make a big deal deal at the deadline.
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A Kepler (8.8) straight up for Cortes (8.4) would be more than enough. In fact, the Twins could actually ask the Yankees to throw in a player to even it out. Nowadays, there really isn't a pitcher out there who hasn't had SOMETHING go wrong. You just don't find those Jim Palmer, Don Sutton, and Bert Blyleven types out there. Since Kepler is sure to be pushed out in the future (within one season at the most) a deal for Cortes makes sense. But I agree with tony&rodney, the Yankees may like Max Kepler, but their rotation is far from settled, even if they sign a couple SP I don't think the Yanks would do it. And to repeat, almost every pitcher has something in their history that could be a red flag. Look at some of the "affordable" free agent guys we are considering: Frankie Montas. Lucas Giolito, Luis Severino. Those are guys that could be signed for $12-$14 million annually and would be worth the gamble. Ending up with a potential rotation of Lopez, Montas, Cortez, Ryan, Ober and Paddack (gotta list 6 because you need that many at the minimum) would be pretty decent for 2024. Especially if we have Varland in the bullpen.
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I agree with matching up with Miami. We should be in touch with them. I've seen the $15.1 million arbitration figure from Fangraphs and I've used it before. Just this morning I saw Burnes getting $11.1 from Puckett's Pond. I think the $15.1 is probably closer to reality. Max Meyer wouldn't be a bad target, but he's coming off injury, and Cabrera has some major league experience. I'd really love to get Sixto Sanchez tossed into a deal.
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Freddy Peralta is younger and has more years of control. His cost would be HIGHER than Burnes. Of course the Twins can afford Burnes. He's only set to make $11 million in 2024. But it's his last year of arbitration, so he will be a free agent in 2025. I would prefer trading for Burnes and signing him to a 5 year deal. The TV mess will be figured out before the 2024 season starts, so 2025 and beyond the Twins are getting most if not all of the $55 million they are unsure of replacing in 2024. I would make the Polanco and Festa deal in a heartbeat. I personally think it will take more than that. But if you're talking about replacing Sonny Gray an acquisition of Burnes would exceed anything Sonny Gray ever gave us. Sonny always had you holding onto your chair to see if he could get past the 5th inning. Burnes will give you 7 innings. Sometimes, even a little more. he's an absolute stud.
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Senzel would be very interesting with his versatility (OF/3B/2B) speed, and RH bat. They should give him a call. Even though Castro is a SH, a guy like Senzel could make Gordon or Farmer, even Polanco expendable. He's a good fit. Woodruff is a very interesting opportunity. If his shoulder is as bad as tony&rodney said, then that dream goes in the trash bin. However, for ME, if I'm blissfully ignorant, the idea of signing him to a three year deal with one to rehab and two to pitch is intriguing to say the least. It could either be the greatest move the Twins have ever made, or the all time worst. I guess you just have to have your medical people pour over his reports and advise you as best they could. There will be a TON of teams not just looking for a pitcher, but looking for MULTIPLE pitchers this off season. There will be some interesting opportunities and some very good and very bad decisions made. I hope our FO makes the right ones !!
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Doc Bauer, I was the guy that proposed a trade with the Marlins where Edward Cabrera was the centerpiece, but I tried to steal a couple good young arms from them whose value has dropped considerably as throw-ins. The deal would look like this: Marlins Get: Polanco 8.3 value and Kala 'i Rosario 2.2 10.5 total value. Polanco steps right in at 2B (Arraez is playing 1B) and Rosario gives the Marlins a young bat with potential to sweeten the deal and allow us to get Sanchez primarily. Twins Get: Edward Cabrera 8.5 RHP 26 years old Sixto Sanchez 0.0 RHP 26 years old Ryan Weathers 0.0 LHP 24 y/o. Sanchez was once the #15 prospect in March of 2021. He has battled shoulder problems and had surgery twice, July 2021 and October 2022. He finally made a successful rehab appearance at the end of last season but it's kind of like our Matt Canterino situation, How long can you wait? Sanchez throws a 4-seamer 97-99 mph and a power sinker 95-97. He's got a power arm and at 25/26 years old could remain a SP or build himself back up in the bullpen like Canterino. Ryan Weathers was a hot prospect for the Padres and was dealt to Miami at the deadline last season. He's just 24 years old and he's had some eye catching "ups" as well as some downs. He's got to improve his command. A little too walk prone still, but he's a young lefty who has both started and relieved at the major league level. I'm not sure why his value is zero on BBTV but he's got great potential in a rotation or the bullpen. Honestly, before I'd go big game hunting for a Burnes or Keller, I'd try to make a deal like this with Miami. If COST for payroll purposes is a major concern for the Twins in 2024, then I add these three arms and a free agent like Montas/Severino/Giolito who should all be "somewhat" affordable if you're considering replacing Sonny Gray with a veteran. Then you can put a Cabrera in the #3 spot and slide Varland to the bullpen to really fortify that. Whatever you could get out of arms like Sanchez, who should be healthy, Weathers, who is healthy and Canterino, who we HOPE is finally healthy, you've filled your pitching needs with one FA veteran, a solid young #3 in Cabrera and two other tremendous, young arms in addition to not giving up anyone like Festa, Raya, Canterino or Soto.
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Thanks Ted! I think the Twins will need to swing at least one trade for pitching and have a Frankie Montas/Luis Severino/Lucas Giolito priced free agent SP signing. The Seattle trade for Gilbert isn't happening. I tried it on BBTV and it refused to validate it. Twins were getting 73.9 value for Gilbert and giving the Mariners 39.20 back. You'd need to remove Emm-Rod and insert Brooks Lee or Julien to even get close (you're still coming up with something around 62-65 in value). Gilbert is just too expensive. Blackburn is a non-starter. The other three are interesting. Keller cost wise is about the equal to Burnes. Both are 28 years old (again, only ONE year older than Ryan). The package to get either could probably be very similar with the Brewers and Pirates looking for prospects but also looking for a major league player or two that fits with their rebuild. The Keller deal with Wallner and Mercedes works value wise although the Pirates may request a pitcher like Festa or Raya instead of two OF. The numbers work on the Burnes deal as well although I think you would probably need to overpay slightly for Burnes given his pedigree and the competition you would face in his trade market. I would swap out Funderburk and include Jax instead. Jax has 1.7 more in value so that would juice up the offer, but I also don't want to deal Funderburk as he will be our primary lefty in the pen with Thielbar aging out and Moran lost for the season. Jax, Festa and Miranda gets you to a 32.9 value making the Burnes deal a slight, but necessary overpay. I'd replace Jax in the bullpen with Varland. One other possible Burnes deal would be Wallner 23.3 and Festa 8.7 (32 total) where you include Headrick 1.7 to sweeten the offer. The Manoah deal is interesting. He's only at a 14.5 value and I think you could swap out Kepler for Larnach and still make the deal. Larnach 5.5 and Festa 8.7 is 14.2 in value and that could work. If Wallner is in any other deal I would have to keep Kepler. You can trade Wallner AND Larnach this off season with Emm-Rod probably one season away and Jenkins charging ahead like a freight train.
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