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If Abreu had been on the 2022 Twins with those stats, he'd be just another guy we'd be complaining about not coming through. And rightly so. The Twins for the season got 83 RBI from the #3 spot in the batting order. The vaunted Abreu got 75, in almost as many chances; his RBI rate was lower. (The Dodgers, if you want to aim high, set the 2022 benchmark at 110, while the average team got just shy of 90.) He's the wrong guy to be making a righteous stand about.

The projections at FG and b-r.com are for 20-22 HR this coming season, with of course no defense to sweeten the package. I don't think I spend 8 figures a year on that.

As of now, not on the roster. https://www.mlb.com/twins/roster/40-man

Cleveland barely had anybody digging anything, with total attendance of 1,295,870. ?

Beware of the "buy 2, get 1 free" offer on Jaime Garcia game-used Twins jerseys, whatever the bargain price you see in the ad.

I want instant gratification and I want it NOW!

Free shipping, I trust? I'm not inking one of these deals, only to get socked with priority shipping charges.

Up the middle talent is always expensive. Multiple bidders competing. I don't expect a bargain to be obtained. Jansen looks like could be the sweet spot for the Twins, value versus what they are willing to give up.

That's what the Report button is for, my friend. :)

It's possible for up the middle talent to be "superfluous", but the Twins aren't there yet. I see this as an evolutionary move, certainly not revolutionary.

Glad you specified median. Had you said mean, USAFChief would drag us up above 100. As it is, I'm still one of the young guys. Yippee!

If the boss has given you P&L authority, you can decide for yourself. The boss then saying he's on board means the signing falls within the limits of authority he's given you.

She has an EXCELLENT Wikipedia page. ? The old man was 78 when he married her mom.

Just curious. When adding Runs and RBIs together to compute how many runs a player accounted for during a season, do you advocate adjusting by subtracting the number of homers, as some people do?

Not a pressing need. We already have Alec Kirralaff.

Thanks for the link. Nice to see several Tier 1 players. But all of those are hitters. Three Tier 2 pitchers and a Tier 3 peeking into the Top Ten (guess I wanna see their Top 25 or so). Doesn't look like these evaluators are all-in on the Twins' vaunted Pitching Pipeline™.

Kyle, to be specific?

Now do Colome. ? I agree Zeroes Hung is a good metric. Yes, no, thumbs up, thumbs down, often gives useful guidance, especially when bringing a guy into a one-run game. You counted up the Ups and Downs of the long season. Another I also like goes even farther: Clean Innings. A clean inning goes above-and-beyond the call of duty, as far as winning that particular game goes. But when a guy demonstrates the repeated capability of throwing a clean inning, he goes up in my estimation, as a guy who is much less likely to be struck by Gosh Darn Bad Luck. "Oh, that dribbler that went through, Gosh Darn..." - "Yeah, but what about the guy on third that scored on the dribbler because you gave up the leadoff double, huh? Clean Inning Gene would have emerged unscathed from that particular bad luck." I'm not gonna put on my green eyeshade and perform the necessary accounting to look at Pagan against his bullpen peers on that, because I'm pretty sure how it's going to come out. OPS-against is another number that I think tells me what I want to know about a pitcher. If OPS is useful for looking at batters, why wouldn't you look at the same number for the guys trying to thwart those batters? I wouldn't completely discard ERA for relievers who come in to start the inning. But love ERA or detest it, I played the hand that the OP dealt. ? I suspect that the cherry-picked readings given in the article would succumb to the same analytic assault no matter which metric had been used, within reason. The issue is throwing out data, which must be done more carefully than shown this time. "Other than that one data-point, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

Any pro athlete has to put yesterday aside and go out and ply his trade today. I prefer the cocky attitude to what Ron Davis brought. Probably there's a happy medium between them that can still succeed. ? (I had the pleasure of meeting Marshall in a small informal group, when he was trying (for some unfathomable reason) to enlist SABR's endorsement for his training methods. He wanted something from us so he was at his most personable. But it was evident that there was a good measure of "banty rooster" in him, to a greater degree than other players I've met. I could see enjoying working with him on the right project - and also parting company quickly if the project wasn't just right. The Can-Do attitude works great, until it suddenly doesn't. But at 6'1" I had a greater respect for his accomplishments in baseball just by standing next to him, because I was nearly a head higher than him. And I don't think "pedantic" comes close to fully explaining Doctor Iron Mike Marshall. He's complex.) This thread is about Pagan. Here endeth the rambling old-man story about another old man.

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This is the kind of statistical analysis that just drives me bonkers. It's a long season full of ups and downs. If you cherry pick away a portion of the season that was bad, then I want to see a remaining ERA down in the 2's for a reliever. There was still a lot of baseball for Colomé after April 2021, still with ups and downs, so a 3.51 ERA is going to contain a lot of downs mixed with the ups. And was there any useful predictive power from that 3.51 ERA to finish 2021? Not really. Colomé's ERA this past season was in the high 5's. "Ah, but he pitched for the Rockies." Yes, but his ERA on the road was worse than at Coors. So, please don't show me a 3.67 ERA for a cherry picked portion of the season for Emilio, and expect me to buy in. That 3.67 contains some ups and downs (otherwise it would be 0.00), after a bunch of the egregious downs are already removed. If you can't make a better case for him than that, there isn't a case to be made, statistically. Except, roster filler, and we shouldn't pay millions for that. The rest of the article? The nuts and bolts of his game? It's interesting to know that he's working on something - better results will have to come from some kind of change, after all. Baseball played at a high level is a cat-and-mouse game, between pitchers adjusting to what batters do, and batters adjusting to what pitchers do. Baseball's also a game of mistakes - you try to make fewer than your adversary - and a small sample may not show that the mistakes are gone, merely in hiding. A few games with a new toy in Emilio's arsenal are all well and good, but the batters get to adjust. Surely this isn't the first time he's tinkered. I don't see him turning some corner, at age 32 next May. Anything's possible though and if he's still with the team I'll be rooting for him when he's out there, in whatever role. I'd love to eat crow.

Almost everything about this site is wonderful, but my hatred for losing the ability to delete one's own reply posts is on a par with the heat of a thousand fiery suns.

Expos Le Base-ball. ? Some nearsighted people just saw a capital M for Montreal, though.

I used to annoy Expos fans by asking what the "elb" on their caps stood for. ?

I'm not a roster expert but I was asking about the same questions too, and I think I might have an answer. The rules governing rosters are arcane sometimes, and I think one of the lesser-known rules is at play here. First, no, a player is not more valuable after being added to the 40. Indeed it's the opposite, because when off the 40 you can do anything you want with him (except protect him from Rule-5 after the requisite number of years, or prevent him from declaring free agency after a few years more), while when he's on the 40 then he's taking up a limited resource and you have to expose him to waiver claims if you decide to take him off. Prospects who are still years away from Rule-5 decisions are more valuable in trade than prospects who are Rule-5 eligible, all else being equal, unless their talent and development are so high that their place on the 40 is obvious. It was Rule-5 draft considerations that caused Legumina to be added, as we all have discussed by now, and there is one proviso that gets mentioned now and then - a player added to the 40 in advance of that draft (and I don't know if this applies to every player) must be kept on the 40 until some time after the off-season (again I don't know exactly, maybe it's the same date as when the 60-day IL opens up again in Feburary). The purpose seems obvious, to keep teams from "hiding" a player specifically for the Rule-5 draft, then DFAing him shortly after. And so we have a third detail I'm not certain of, but which may be important: does this restriction carry over if that newly-protected player is traded? Based on nothing more than the sequence of events we've just seen play out with Legumina, I am betting, "no." If this chain of guesses and suppositions and half-remembered facts holds up, then it looks like the two teams agreed in principle to the trade some time ago, and the Reds asked the Twins to do them a favor and add Legumina to the 40 in advance of the trade. The Twins had room so they did it. After all the dust has settled with Urshela and Legumina leaving and Farmer arriving, the Twins are back to having one extra spot available on the 40. Look for Legumina to be quietly passed through waivers sometime this winter, at a time of the Reds' choosing when they think everyone's roster is full. If he's not then I'm back to being puzzled why the Twins made the roster move themselves. I hope someone chimes in if they have any corrections to offer.