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    Why Minnesota Twins Might Not Extend Qualifying Offer to Ryan Jeffers

    For most Twins fans, letting catcher Ryan Jeffers leave via free agency without receiving anything in return is unthinkable. The Twins might see things differently, though, for a few reasons.

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    The MLB offseason is here, and teams have until 4 PM Central time on Monday to extend qualifying offers to eligible free agents. That's also when the exclusive negotiating window between players and their previous teams expires, opening free agency in full. For the Twins, that means that they need to decide whether to issue that offer to catcher Ryan Jeffers. If he were to accept it, he would receive $23.15 million on a one-year deal. If he declined, the Twins would receive a 2027 draft pick if and when he signs with another team. 

    Jeffers, 29, batted .256/.353/.461 in his walk year, with 14 home runs, 46 walks and 66 strikeouts in 369 plate appearances. It was the second-best offensive season of his career, trailing only 2023, and most fans expect the Twins to make at least a nominal effort to retain him by extending the QO on the back of that strong performance.

    That might well happen. However, there are a few things pushing against the simple logic of his good performance, as the team weighs its options with regard to what would be a major investment.

    Jeffers's Doubtful Durability and the Twins' Payroll Utility

    As the offseason begins, one still-unanswered question is how much the team is willing to back up owner Tom Pohlad's big talk about spending more on payroll than they have over the last two seasons. Based on their end-of-season press conference, the team wants fans to expect significant outlays and a boost to somewhere north of $135 million in spending in 2027. A pessimist might point out, though, that they have every reason to raise expectations that way in October and November. Many ticket sales for the following season (especially season-ticket and group sales, which are teams' major revenue drivers) happen during that early phase of the offseason, so setting high expectations can be helpful even if you're unable (or unwilling) to deliver on them.

    Presumably, the team has at least some good-faith intention to spend this winter, but they also have plenty of money spoken for already, and that needs to inform their decisions this winter. Pablo López is due $21.5 million in 2027, and while there's optimism (at the moment) that he'll be ready for Opening Day, the reality of recent cases in which pitchers underwent second Tommy John surgeries is that most aren't back on the mound and up to speed until 16 or 17 months after their operation. Justin Steele had surgery in April 2025 and didn't pitch at all in the majors in 2026. Jordan Montgomery had it shortly before Steele and only made it back to the bigs the following August. López had his operation in February, so barring a significant setback, he should be on the mound before the end of June, but that's different than giving the team a full complement of front-of-the-rotation innings.

    López's case is similar to that of Byron Buxton, who faces a long recovery from surgery on the labrum in his hip. The team hopes he'll be back for Opening Day; the smart money says he won't be. Buxton's base salary for 2027, as with the other years of his contract, is $15 million. The club is also sending $10 million to the Astros again next year, to defray the costs of the Carlos Correa contract they dumped at the 2025 trade deadline. That's nearly $50 million that the team will spend next year on players who either won't play for them or can't be counted upon for a full season's work. A good over/under for batters faced by López is 600. A good one for Buxton's plate appearances is 400. That's not much volume in return for what looks likely to be a third of their payroll.

    Paying Jeffers another $23 million and change would risk exacerbating that problem. Though he did cobble together 465 plate appearances in 2024 and 464 in 2025, he's never been a durable, high-volume player. Over the last five seasons, there have been 79 player-seasons in which a catcher caught at least 800 innings for their team. Jeffers has never reached that milestone. It's possible that changes next year. Carson Kelly, for instance, had never gotten to 800 innings in a season before joining the Cubs two years ago, and caught more than 860 in each of the last two years, in his early 30s. It's never wise to bet on a catcher becoming suddenly more durable as they cross into their 30s.

    Can the Twins afford to pay QO-level money for a player who is unlikely to qualify for the batting title? When he's on the field, Jeffers is generally good, but he's not a plus defensive catcher, and if were a semi-regular designated hitter, he wouldn't be an especially impressive one. It might be that the money they're already spending on players who can't stay on the field makes it impossible to justify doing more of the same.

    The Twins' Approach to Keeping Catchers Fresh

    Of course, one thing that held down Jeffers's playing time totals during his Twins tenure was outside his control. In the last two seasons of Rocco Baldelli's tenure, the team used the most careful alternating pattern of catcher starts in the history of the sport. Jeffers would start one day; Christian Vázquez would start the next. That worked nicely, too. It exposed the weakness of Vázquez's bat, but it also protected each backstop from overuse and reduced their risk of injury. Neither has otherwise ever been as healthy or as consistent as they were under that playing-time arrangement. That setup allowed Jeffers to get the playing time he did at DH, too. It was part of why the team spent a significant amount on their second catcher again last winter, replacing Vázquez with Victor Caratini. They believe in playing-time parity at catcher, as much as the roster allows, so they try to have a stronger-than-average second option at the position.

    The natural extension of that mindset, though, is that you don't pay market rates for your first catcher, because other teams will price that player in a way very different from you. They're thinking of using them for 25 more games behind the plate than you are. They're planning on giving them at least 50 more plate appearances than you are. In this case, that means (simply) that paying $23 million for a first catcher is incompatible with the team's approach to the position.

    That approach isn't set in stone. Derek Shelton, unlike Baldelli, is a former catcher, and he was much more willing to let his backstops play several days in a row in 2026. Then again, that got them into some trouble, in multiple ways, so the organization might try to nudge him back toward their preferred style in 2027.

    One argument here would be to extend the QO, knowing other teams might see Jeffers as a more important and high-volume piece than the Twins do, and then let him walk away. The risk that Jeffers might accept the offer is not minimal, though. Even fellow Scott Boras client Nick Martinez accepted one for 2025. The Twins can't give a QO unless they're willing to actually pony up that money for Jeffers. Besides, the rest of the league might like to play Jeffers more, but they're unlikely to be keen on giving up a draft pick to do it.

    Players with durability or role-size questions are exactly the types who often get stranded on the market if they have a QO attached to them. That's why similar hitters to Jeffers, like Trent Grisham and Gleyber Torres, each took the QO last fall. Kelly, the aforementioned comp to Jeffers as a late-blooming catcher, signed with the Cubs for just $11 million over two years, and had no draft compensation encumbrance. The market might dry up as soon as Jeffers is tagged with that offer, so again, the Twins have to anticipate that he might accept it, and plan their choice about whether to give it accordingly.

    Losing Jeffers for nothing would hurt. It's why he was viewed as a trade candidate right up to the deadline in August, despite the Twins assuming a buying posture. However, the Twins can't extend the QO just because the alternative is painful. They have to view the offer as the right choice, weighing the upside and risks of each option. That might lead them to what would be a very unpopular choice. They can't worry about that. They have to make the right one.

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    3 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    Given the outside view, do you still think the Twins should give Jeffers a qualifying offer? If so, why? If not, why not?

    A connected issue is the payroll. Where do you see the payroll? If it is a penny less than $150M, I cannot see how the team gets to a .500 record if they have $30M+ spent on catchers.

    But now is gonna come the arguments that the Rays and Brewers made it to and won the World Series with less than that and right around that figure. (I know a lot of other things went into those teams being set up for success). But agree. We haven't developed our players properly, which is going to force us to spend money of free agents or retaining talent to compete. 

    2 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    I love Jeffers. He's one of us. 

    With that said. If we offer the QO... You have to prepared that me might take it. 

    If he takes it. There will drain the majority of funds available to improve this team. Jeffers becomes our primary investment. 

    I love Jeffers... He's one of us but if we have 23 million to spend. I'd rather spend that money on Bauers and I really really don't want to be 30 million invested in the catcher position alone. 

    They could do both. Without the breaking bank. Easily. 

    Assuming they trade Ryan, which they 100% should, their payroll is only about $75 million. Sure, add the Correa commitment, that's still bottom of the barrel payroll commitments. 

    If they were committed to winning, they have about $75-$100 million to spend. Now, spending that all in a poor free agent offseason with the uncertainty of the CBA I'm not saying they SHOULD spend all that money this offseason, but they very easily COULD. 

    3 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    Sure, arguably so. I don't think that's accurate, but I can agree it's an overpay. But it'd be at a position that is otherwise a big hole. Saving the Pohlads money is not the job of the fans. Improving the team is a bigger concern than the Pohlads exact ROI on their payroll expenditures. 

    It's a very, very easy decision to extend the QO. If he accepts it, great, you have a one year bridge to figure out if Lackey or Tait can step up or to get you to a better class of catchers. And if he rejects it, in largely increases the odds he comes back on a different short term deal with opt outs. 

    If they don't spend that $25 million on Jeffers, where else is it going to go? We all know the answer to that question...

    This is spot. We need to look at the fact that if we can spend the money now, it'll actually save us in the future (younger, cheaper, and more controllable players await our future). The FO and fans need to look at Jeffers as a bridge to the next player. We know he isn't going to be our catcher of the future. He is no Molina behind the plate. He is no Contreras behind the plate. He is definitely a hitter, that can call a game behind the plate, and that is useful. Whereas Caratini was a liability anywhere we put him last year. He HAS to be our backup. He cannot be our starter going into next season. If we cannot sign Jeffers, I'd be okay with throwing Jackson (if he still is on the team) as our starter and Caratini as our veteran backup.

    13 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    They could do both. Without the breaking bank. Easily. 

    Assuming they trade Ryan, which they 100% should, their payroll is only about $75 million. Sure, add the Correa commitment, that's still bottom of the barrel payroll commitments. 

    If they were committed to winning, they have about $75-$100 million to spend. Now, spending that all in a poor free agent offseason with the uncertainty of the CBA I'm not saying they SHOULD spend all that money this offseason, but they very easily COULD. 

    You are probably right. They are at a real low point in terms of 2026 payroll. 

    But, if they are trading Joe Ryan... 10 million. That basically covers the overpay on Jeffers. And... The need for Jeffers decreases because the talent on the team decreases.

    If the talent decreases it is going to cost more free agent dollars spent to replace it and we will still have that problem of free agents choosing where they want to play. 

    Basically... I'm concerned about the allocation of funds. I'd rather they allocate the 23 million at a position that plays 162 not 130 and I'd rather not spend 30 million total on the catcher position which will be almost double than what any other team pays for the C position.  

    I'd rather the Twins get in on the bidding and sign him for 3/45 or whatever it takes.   

    1 hour ago, LastOnePicked said:

    Agreed. It boggles my mind that we're even entertaining this as a serious possibility. No other franchise in MLB would think this way. 

    Colorado, Cincinnati, and, at least for a few months more under current management, the Angels exist.

    Colorado actually has some similarities to the Twins: below-average use of analytics; odd free agency signings; not trading veterans to rebuild when most of the rest of the baseball world thinks it would be a no-brainer to trade them; non-baseball factors motivate ownership to retain management staff, even though few other teams would tolerate the consistently bad results without making a change; prospects regularly flame out; supported above what their record deserves by their stadium experience. . . 

    I was all for giving him the QO. But those projected salaries give me pause...

    There's just not much out there in the FA market after him though. 2028 has Contreras and Rutschman.

    I also think it's way too optimistic (hopefully I'm wrong) to think Lackey will be a Twin by 2028.

    I guess I'd offer the 3/40 during the 5-day exclusive negotiating window, maybe up to 3/45 and pass on the QO if he turns it down. 13/15 mil per season is fair for a C/DH.

    1 hour ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Watching Contreras in the Series was a master class on how important defense is to the catcher position.  He saved so many runs with his blocking, he threw out runners, he used challenges brilliantly (was always right on calls that flipped the count in big at bats).  And just the way he managed the pitchers.  Calming them down, well timed mound visits.  So much impact on the game and not all of it shows up in the box score.  The Twins have got to get more defense out of the catcher position long-term.  

    Contreras was good and had an excellent season. But he wasn't really any better at blocking the plate during the season than Jeffers, and Jeffers is one of the best in the game at challenging pitches and flipping counts/gaining outs. The one thing Contreras does much better is throw. That's the one thing Jeffers is actually quite weak on defensively. But I'd argue the extra 50-60 points of OPS makes up for it. It's notable that they had basically the same bWAR (which is a counting stat) in 2026, despite Jeffers playing a lot less because of injury.

    If you're going to argue intangibles for Contreras are you going to ignore them for Jeffers? He's well-liked in the clubhouse, known for being smart and informed. I'd bet his preparation on game days is outstanding, and there isn't a single pitcher who has asked for someone else to throw to.

    It'd be nice to get more defense from the catching position, especially in controlling the running game, because neither guy was good at it in 2026. But that's not really where our defensive problems were last season: it was SS, when Lee or Gray were manning the spot. It was 2B when Keaschall was butchering another grounder. It was 1B when Bell or Caratini couldn't move, Clemens couldn't scoop, or Lewis didn't know what to do. It was RF when Wallner couldn't react and LF when Larnach was too slow. Catcher wasn't where one of our top 5 problems were on defense.

    maybe some of you have read my financial commentary. this is about huge money for a qualifying offer for a dude playing a ball game. my son was not good enough to be drafted but he did play on a travel team after high School up and down the East Coast. he was there shortstop but he realized he had to give that up and get a job. you see he's doing it for fun. he loves to play baseball. he's was very intelligent about what's going on on the ball field with every pitch. is that worth any money? doesn't matter if it is or not. point is he's doing it for fun. so let's say you're a $10 million or $30 million a year player. would you do it for fun instead of make all those millions? if those millions were not available I dare say some guys would if they could. very few people make over a million dollars a year to earn their living. most people come home happy with in today's terms. 150k or more a year. you can take care of your family pretty well with that. so we get on here and we talk in terms of of he's worth $15 million or he's worth $30 million and let's go ahead and give him that much money. The entertainment of sports. all sports is way out of focus. crazy money and we talk about it like this is just normal. this is good. let all of us either go to the ball game or watch it on television and pay all this money so these ball players can make crazy money with whichever team pays them the most. does that sound like they are community-minded where they're playing when they get traded or become a free agent and they go somewhere else? they're going to be all excited as they're seen on the ball field for where they're playing at right now and forget how much excitement they showed the year before for their previous team. now they're trying to beat the previous team. this is professional sport. it's not high School where they do have a feeling of loyalty. I am not happy with all this money. these guys get nobody deserves money like that to play a ball game. I don't care how good they are. The ball teams have cheap seats and then they have the ridiculously high seats. price wise. I know New York has when they open their new stadium $1,600 to see a ball game behind the dugout of the Yankees. okay enough said and you younger people will write back like there's nothing wrong with this. well there is wrong with this.

    There seems to be a false dilemma being created that Ryan Jeffers is the only catcher not currently under guaranteed team control next year who could potentially be on the roster.

    Even if the free agent market isn't flush with catcher talent, it's not like trades are off the table, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect Jeffers to repeat his 2026 career season.

    How much better is Jeffers than a different short term catcher the Twins could acquire? Or could the Twins acquire a longer term catcher with Tinney or Lackey? There are a lot of options other than sign Jeffers or lose 162 games next year.

    3 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

    They should extend the QO and if the thing that holds them back is a real fear he might accept and they'd have to pay him $23M, then we have a much bigger problem ahead of us.

    Look, it wouldn't be ideal to devote $34M to catcher next season, but it's one year and doesn't ruin you going forward and Jeffers will almost certainly hold up his end of the bargain. There are very limited good options for improving the lineup at 1B, which where we probably need the help the most, so again...would it really be that bad? No, unless Tommy P is lying about the payroll going up and planning on investing. Which he might be: it's more than fair to not trust anything a Pohlad says, and only watch what they actually do. If they're afraid to extend the QO, to me it's a sign that they're lying about investing.

    But the reality is, Jeffers is highly unlikely to accept the QO: there will be multi-year deals available to him for at least twice that total value, and if he takes the QO and gets hurt again, those will fall off as he'll be older and now "injury prone". Real possibility he could be looking at 4 years and $70M from a team like the Yankees, and even a worst case scenario would bring him 3 years and $45. Hell, if I'm the Twins, I'd offer him 3 for $45 in a heartbeat, even with Lackey, Tait, and Tinney in the minors.

    Offer the QO. Make sure he doesn't walk for nothing. It'll be fine. And if you're too scared to take that chance, resign now because you don't have the stomach for this game.

    You've got to be a great poker player.  Holding a pair of deuces, and hoping they don't call your bluff!

    3 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

    If these numbers are anywhere near correct, I'll eat my hat. If you look at Jeffers last 4 seasons, in his worst year he was still worth $10M+; in his best he was worth closer to $30M. Even if you believe that catchers inevitably decline in their 30's, he's still almost certainly going to be worth $15M AAV over the next 3 seasons.

    If Jeffers market is really this crap then the Twins should be offering him 3 at $40M right now and locking him up!

    But Bowden is a well-known fool, so...

    He's easily the best catcher available in a weak market with several teams with real need at the position. These numbers are literally crazy-pants.

    Last year the best FA catcher was Realmuto who signed for 3/45.  He was 34 coming off a 2.0/1.9/2.0 previous 3 seasons WAR, Jeffers is 29 and has 1.6/2.1/2.6 (which would have been 3+ if he stayed healthy and played his usual 120G rather than 90).  I'd bet Jeffers gets more than Realmuto did, the main question being if he gets 3 or 4 years.

    31 minutes ago, Coach said:

    You've got to be a great poker player.  Holding a pair of deuces, and hoping they don't call your bluff!

    Nope, I'm a trash poker player with a million tells. Fortunately, you don't need to bluff to pull this off. It's not a disaster if Jeffers takes the QO, which is why you can offer it. It's not a desperate bluff, it's a no-lose. 1 year for a great hitting catcher when half the starters can't hit their weight? It's a bit spendy and it sucks having Caratini's contract on the books, but you don't make the bad backup contract the enemy of having a starting quality catcher whose hitting profile is almost ideal for your lineup. If he turns it down (which is far and away the most likely scenario), you get the pick in compensation.

    This really isn't that hard...unless Tommy P. plans to Pohlad the budget. But that's a different damn problem.

    47 minutes ago, killercarewoliva said:

    these guys get nobody deserves money like that to play a ball game.

    you're just simply wrong. no ifs, ands or buts about it. you're just flat out wrong. 

    if your boss , that does basically nothing, is making hundreds of millions off of your labor, you're damn right the players deserve the money they get

    42 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

    There seems to be a false dilemma being created that Ryan Jeffers is the only catcher not currently under guaranteed team control next year who could potentially be on the roster.

    Even if the free agent market isn't flush with catcher talent, it's not like trades are off the table, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect Jeffers to repeat his 2026 career season.

    How much better is Jeffers than a different short term catcher the Twins could acquire? Or could the Twins acquire a longer term catcher with Tinney or Lackey? There are a lot of options other than sign Jeffers or lose 162 games next year.

    I don't think a single person on this website is under this dumb theory you just made up to dismiss everyone else's opinions because you view them as inferior to your own. 

    He's the best catcher available, the Twins have the low-risk ability to either retain him for one year or get some value with his departure, and almost everyone besides yourself thinks its a good idea. 

    The value of a veteran leader who knows the staff and can hit + the potential comp pick is worth the QO. It's a stupid question. If the FO has "identified" someone they can get via FA my concern is with the talent evaluation, which has already been talked about. 

    Not trading him and then not extending the QO to get a comp draft pick would be organizational malpractice.... which means of course, that is where we are likely headed.

    He will absolutely turn down the QO to get the 3-4 year 45-60mil contract he will be offered. 

    The FO does not need to overthink this and lose a good draft pick

    2 hours ago, killercarewoliva said:

    maybe some of you have read my financial commentary. this is about huge money for a qualifying offer for a dude playing a ball game. my son was not good enough to be drafted but he did play on a travel team after high School up and down the East Coast. he was there shortstop but he realized he had to give that up and get a job. you see he's doing it for fun. he loves to play baseball. he's was very intelligent about what's going on on the ball field with every pitch. is that worth any money? doesn't matter if it is or not. point is he's doing it for fun. so let's say you're a $10 million or $30 million a year player. would you do it for fun instead of make all those millions? if those millions were not available I dare say some guys would if they could. very few people make over a million dollars a year to earn their living. most people come home happy with in today's terms. 150k or more a year. you can take care of your family pretty well with that. so we get on here and we talk in terms of of he's worth $15 million or he's worth $30 million and let's go ahead and give him that much money. The entertainment of sports. all sports is way out of focus. crazy money and we talk about it like this is just normal. this is good. let all of us either go to the ball game or watch it on television and pay all this money so these ball players can make crazy money with whichever team pays them the most. does that sound like they are community-minded where they're playing when they get traded or become a free agent and they go somewhere else? they're going to be all excited as they're seen on the ball field for where they're playing at right now and forget how much excitement they showed the year before for their previous team. now they're trying to beat the previous team. this is professional sport. it's not high School where they do have a feeling of loyalty. I am not happy with all this money. these guys get nobody deserves money like that to play a ball game. I don't care how good they are. The ball teams have cheap seats and then they have the ridiculously high seats. price wise. I know New York has when they open their new stadium $1,600 to see a ball game behind the dugout of the Yankees. okay enough said and you younger people will write back like there's nothing wrong with this. well there is wrong with this.

    So naturally your son would have played only for the love of the game if he made the MLB and accepted no more than 150k per year... right?

    2 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

    Catcher wasn't where one of our top 5 problems were on defense.

    Maybe not, but that wasn't really what I was saying.  It's that excellent catcher defense can elevate a pitching staff and probably has the most direct impact on run prevention of any position (other than pitcher).  And to me if we are going to make a long term investment at catcher, defense should matter.  More than offense if you ask me. If we're looking to put the best team on the field in 2027 to "compete" again then Jeffers is probably the best hope on the QO, but I'm more looking at it long term.  How do we build a sustainable program given our constraints, and how do we end up celebrating a Series in a few years like our neighbors to the east.

    I think you and I just disagree on Jeffers' defensive skills, which of course is totally legal.  

    24 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Maybe not, but that wasn't really what I was saying.  It's that excellent catcher defense can elevate a pitching staff and probably has the most direct impact on run prevention of any position (other than pitcher).  And to me if we are going to make a long term investment at catcher, defense should matter.  More than offense if you ask me. If we're looking to put the best team on the field in 2027 to "compete" again then Jeffers is probably the best hope on the QO, but I'm more looking at it long term.  How do we build a sustainable program given our constraints, and how do we end up celebrating a Series in a few years like our neighbors to the east.

    I think you and I just disagree on Jeffers' defensive skills, which of course is totally legal.  

    IMHO - an above league average catcher who can hit > above league average defensive catcher who can't 

    To each their own on how you build, a team, but some, not all defensive catching metrics are solely on the catcher. Steals are nearly as much on the pitcher and can significantly hurt defensive metrics. Again, IMO the offensive metrics can't/aren't as skewed as some catching. 

    I would not offer a QO to Jeffers.   It would be a disaster if he accepted the QO and the return of a compensatory draft pick isn't enough to take the risk.

    Instead, as I have said many times, the Twins need to decide if they want to be a real major league baseball franchise or just some rinky dink operation.  If they decide on the former, then what their approach with Jeffers should be is to offer him a competitive offer and get him to stay in MN.  

    If they decide the later, then just let him walk.  The idea that they "get nothing" in that case, and if they decide on the latter, not trading him at the trade deadline was another in a string of huge mistakes.

    8 hours ago, LastOnePicked said:

    Not extended the QO to Jeffers would be a monumentally stupid move from a FO that has been accused of being monumentally stupid. 

    Absofinlutely!!!!  

    Maybe even "monumentally stupid" is too kind....

    My concern about the QO to Jeffers is this: I don’t believe the Twins will bring in more than one position player with a substantial contract, including Jeffers. If I have to choose between Jeffers and one of Bauers, Lowe or Chisholm, I take any of those three over Jeffers seven days a week. 

    7 minutes ago, Linus said:

    My concern about the QO to Jeffers is this: I don’t believe the Twins will bring in more than one position player with a substantial contract, including Jeffers. If I have to choose between Jeffers and one of Bauers, Lowe or Chisholm, I take any of those three over Jeffers seven days a week. 

    Except in two months, it's possible Clemens goes to first when Houston is up. What's your fix for catcher? Unless you think Lackey will come up faster than either Houston or Culpeper?

    I understand the concern. I'm not sure I agree.

    1 hour ago, LyleCole said:

    I would not offer a QO to Jeffers.   It would be a disaster if he accepted the QO and the return of a compensatory draft pick isn't enough to take the risk.

    Instead, as I have said many times, the Twins need to decide if they want to be a real major league baseball franchise or just some rinky dink operation.  If they decide on the former, then what their approach with Jeffers should be is to offer him a competitive offer and get him to stay in MN.  

    If they decide the later, then just let him walk.  The idea that they "get nothing" in that case, and if they decide on the latter, not trading him at the trade deadline was another in a string of huge mistakes.

    I think one of the labor issues they're trying to address is you can be rinky-dink and screw the fans over, but at the end of the day ALL professional sport team ownership is about the $ and whether you win the WS or you're the Oakland/Sacramento/LasVegas/Bend/Waco/.Blackduck/International Falls Athletics, the profit is there. 

    Maybe nobody in the media or with the org will say this publicly, but i believe the Twins were pulled off the table (temporarily) last year because the Pohlads would've been fools to sell before the the CBA and media deal gets figured out. Just by operating at the status quo when the sell at a minimum will net them $300-$500 MILLION more just by waiting 12-18 months. 

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    4 hours ago, NYCTK said:

    He's the best catcher available,

    Does the word "available" refer strictly to free agents. Does the word "catcher" refer to anyone who has caught? 

    There is plenty to like about Ryan Jeffers from an outsiders point of view. Viewed from the vantage point of a pitcher, Jeffers is a DH. Is he a better DH than Josh Bell? Maybe a different thought is worth thinking about. Why does Cleveland choose to use catchers like Patrick Bailey or Austin Hedges?

    This entire discussion comes down down to what an individual wants from their catcher. Clearly, the overwhelming majority of folks on Twins Daily want a guy who has a bat. Just know that there is a world that a few people  see a catcher's main role as a receiver of pitches. Think William Contreras. Think Patrick Bailey. Think Henry Davis. If offense is the criteria for catcher, Ryan Jeffers is your guy. The results follow.

    In fairness or transparency I must admit a negative attitude about throwing to a catcher like Ryan Jeffers. It had nothing to do with  character, intelligence, preparedness, or hitting. It's the work behind the plate. Count me as a person  stunned by a comment by someone that Jeffers was as good as William Contreras except for throwing. Apparently analytics are worse than I ever imagined if that can be shown. Eyes don't always lie.

     

    Very interesting thread. Lots of strong opinions!

    I think it would be a mistake to pay Ryan Jeffers $23M to play 90-100 games of 2.0 WAR baseball. He is widely beloved in Twins Country, and widely over-rated.

    Use the $$$ to build value. Starting with the value that was lost when Jeffers wasn't traded earlier.

    8 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Bowden is worth actively ignoring. Let's see what fangraphs salary estimate is in a few weeks. Between them and the fans, it's usually pretty close. 

     

    8 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

    But Bowden is a well-known fool, so...

    I was just coming here to post the flat out disrespect Bowden put on Ryan Jeffers in his article. Ranked 32 below Tyler Stephenson? 2/$15 million contract prediction? This dude is a moron. 

    5 hours ago, NYCTK said:

    you're just simply wrong. no ifs, ands or buts about it. you're just flat out wrong. 

    if your boss , that does basically nothing, is making hundreds of millions off of your labor, you're damn right the players deserve the money they get

    Crazy. Even Derek Jeter when he was making 15 million for 3 years. total of 45 million called it. crazy money. so it's okay to have a ticket to see one ball game at $1,600? That's absurd. you remember George Bush had part ownership in the Texas rangers and he was on TV with the current commissioner when he worked for the New York Yankees and George was criticizing everything about the money that the stadium charged parking and sessions prices for tickets. he was part owner and couldn't stand it. No ball game is worth that kind of money. I was offered a seat at the 87 world series for $100. too much not doing it. why do you think it's worth why do you think a ball player is worth $70 million for one season? you know we have two people in the NFL and they only have 20 games to play. that makes $70 million to play 20 ball games. that's insane. why is it okay? you are being screwed whoever you are every time you go to a ball field and pay that big money to see a ball game. they're laughing at you all the way to the bank. these players with money like that. 1972, I paid $15 for a box seat behind home plate. 1967, I paid $4.50 for the same seat. inflation hardly goes up to where it is now. a loaf of bread would cost $50 if it did. it's absurd.




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