Ranking the 2021 Twins Rookies On Long-Term Value

Interesting, Cody.  Thanks.

As I read this was thinking that Ryan should be at least second.  But as I finished reading about Larnach and Kirilloff, nah!

As much as 2021 was an absolute horse crap season for the Twins, and us fans, this is an awfully bright five some for 2022 and beyond.  Considering you didn't include Celestino and Rortvedt, it gets even more exciting.  Both were brought up way before they were ready, having never played a game at AAA, they did fine defensively.  Matter of fact, it appears that Rortvedt is their best defensive catcher who should only get better.  And both proved when they finally got to AAA that they can be counted on to be decent hitters a year or two down the road.  

And this group of seven doesn't include several other rookies who contributed in 2021, guys like Barnes and Jax.  There have been a lot of very good pitchers who put up results similar to those two before taking that final step and becoming very good.  Will they, who knows?

Add a young Alcala to this group and you have a 10-man core who should be part of very good Twins teams over the remainder of the 2020's.  Add a couple of the young guns who are close and Miranda, Lewis and Martin and the future is bright, oh so bright.  Will they be back in the playoffs in 2022?  Maybe, maybe not.  But the rest of the decade sure should be fun. 

I think Jeffers is a bit low.  Catcher is a tough position to fill and I think teams value them a bit above their WAR because of this.  Also Jeffers hit quite well when Garver was out.  His offense has been suppressed by facing so much right handed pitching, but long term it should still be very solid for a catcher. 

Celestino also deserve a mention, I think pretty close to Ober in terms of future value.  He hit really well after heading back down to AAA.  It was a tough position to be put in jumping up to the majors after just 100 PAs in AA.  I think he has enough pop to play as an elite corner defender or good center-fielder long term.

On the Kirilloff front: have we heard anything about how recovery from wrist surgery is going, or Larnach's issue that put him on the IL at the end of season?

More than anything recovery from injury is going to tell the tale next year. We're not even sure if Larnach's injury impacted his hitting in the last half of the season: they just shut him down in the last month or so.

Celestine is probably a better value based on what he did in AAA vs Larnach

Ober at an ERA a little over 4 is better than a back end starter. The state of pitching is that bad. If he can pitch every 5th time through the rotation for a full season at that ERA or slightly better that is a very high value

Nice list, but I strongly disagree that we can project long-term value based on what Trevor Larnach produced. His body of work at the MLB level was disappointing across the board. A couple long homers don't really count for much, both his advanced and standard stats were pretty terrible.

Just because we all want Trevor Larnach to be good (and I am among them) doesn't make it true. I will be cheering for the kid next year, but if Larnach is a regular in 2022 it'll be because this team isn't competing. He could be the next Brent Rooker and it could happen quickly.

The Twins need Ryan and Ober to be the top two. They will find corner outfielders. Pitching has been so hard to find.

On 10/8/2021 at 12:55 PM, LA VIkes Fan said:

I agree on Celestino. Assuming no trades of outfielders, I think Celestino profiles nicely as the 4th OF in 2022 playing in a platoon in RF with Kepler and being Buxton's primary backup. Let's get him 250-300 plus ABs next year and I think he could be starter material by 2023. 

I'm even more bullish on Celestino.... I think he is the heir apparent to Buxton in CF after he is traded this winter. I also think he will preform admirably next year in the MLB.

(again... I don't WANT Buxton to leave the Twins, but he will leave on the open market, so the FO is obligated to get some return for hime)

Any time you get 2 to 3 long term players developed and up to the major leagues is a successful year.  To have 5 + is great. And we still have lots of prospects on the way..

If we have a roster full of "prospects"  expect 90-100 losses a year for awhile.  I do think some of these will pan out and become solid major league players.  However we will need to be patient.  I don't think I can be that patient to be a bottom feeder for a few years.  Trading regulars for " prospect". Is a full out rebuild.  As for Joe Ryan, he looks very good.  However if his fastball averages out to 92 mph he will struggle unless he develops good secondary pitches.  It won't take long for major league hitters to adjust 

Adding Celestino to this list makes the Twins' 2023 season look very bullish...and 2022 rough but at least exciting.