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    Can the Twins Win With Jose Iglesias?


    Ted Schwerzler

    After the Minnesota Twins signed Carlos Correa to a three-year deal that included opt-outs after each of the first two, it became beyond clear it was a one-year pact for a guy who fell into their lap. How they handle things this offseason remains to be seen, but can they win with a stopgap option?

     

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    Earlier this offseason I touched on a belief that the Minnesota Twins would open 2023 with Jose Iglesias as their starting shortstop. Even had I not been told from a front office source that “someone like Jose Iglesias” would be their eventual target, the fit just makes too much sense.

    Carlos Correa signed a $35.1 million deal with the Twins, giving him the largest average annual value for a Major League Baseball infielder. He’s going to get paid a boatload on a long-term deal this winter, and while the Twins should be in the running, their offer almost certainly will not be the largest. If they aren’t going to pay on the devil they know, then paying on the devil they don’t such as Trea Turner or Dansby Swanson makes even less sense.

    Entering the stopgap category, knowing that Royce Lewis will be back midseason, Austin Martin has shown well in the Arizona Fall League, and Brooks Lee was their first-round pick this past year, the options are whittled down even further. In this vein, the Twins should be expected to connect with a veteran who can do a bit of everything while not commanding a substantial price tag.

    Again, enter Jose Iglesias.

    After splitting time with the Los Angeles Angels and Boston Red Sox a season ago, Iglesias signed a one-year, $5 million deal with the Colorado Rockies for 2022. He will be 33 years old in 2023 and has played 1,096 games across his Major League career. Iglesias has familiarity with the AL Central division having spent a career-most five seasons with the Detroit Tigers, and he’s played 28 games at Target Field.

    Unlike Andrelton Simmons a year ago, Iglesias doesn’t represent a one-sided player for Derek Falvey and Thad Levine. Simmons was brought in to shore up the left side of an infield defense that was poor. Iglesias owns a decent .701 career OPS and his .279 batting average reflects an ability to get himself on base. He’s a far cry from the .956 OPS posted during the 2020 season, but there’s offensive ability here where Simmons had none.

    Iglesias is not an on-base stalwart without generating base hits, however. He owns just a .319 career OBP and his 502/173 K/BB suggests that while he may strike out a bit less, he’s certainly not choosy enough to draw free passes either. If there’s a redeeming quality to his game, it’s in the well-roundedness while also presenting cost certainty.

    Defensively, FanGraphs defensive runs saved (DRS) don’t view Iglesias particularly well. Last season he posted an abhorrent -22 mark in just shy of 1,000 innings. This season, in equivalent sample size, Iglesias tallied -4 DRS. Maybe Colorado’s shifting and positioning was more beneficial than that of the Angels or Red Sox, but it’s certainly a step forward year-over-year. By Statcast’s outs above average (OAA) metric, Iglesias has never been anything worse than average and his 14 OAA career high came as recently as 2019 with the Cincinnati Reds.

    Realistically, Iglesias should give Minnesota an opportunity to include a trusted veteran that isn’t a black hole in either facet of the game, while also not blocking Lewis from his eventual return. Iglesias can also play the hot corner and second base down the stretch, and his years of experience could benefit a Twins team looking for a silent leader that routinely does their job.

    It’d be hard to get excited about Iglesias as the alternative to Correa, but given what the worst-case scenario could be, this is far from it.

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    Referring to the OP, yes the Twins could win with Iglesias, if he’s the eighth or ninth best regular, hitting somewhere between seventh and ninth in the order. 
     

    The Twins need to improve offensively and in the pitching department. If they do and have average health, they will be pretty good. 

    On 10/22/2022 at 3:14 PM, Richie the Rally Goat said:

     

    They aren’t going to get more healthy in 2023. Need a better hitting RF than Kepler and a decent, CF capable league average or better hitting, 4th outfielder.

    I agree that the team needs better production from the outfield, but a return to health isn’t out of the question. 

    50 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

    Referring to the OP, yes the Twins could win with Iglesias, if he’s the eighth or ninth best regular, hitting somewhere between seventh and ninth in the order. 
     

    The Twins need to improve offensively and in the pitching department. If they do and have average health, they will be pretty good. 

    I agree that the team needs better production from the outfield, but a return to health isn’t out of the question. 

    Sure, players are durable until they’re not. Players are injury-prone until they’re not. I get that and agree to an extent, and Nick Gordon is the prime example of the latter.

    are you planning on AK, Larnach, and Buxton all suddenly becoming 130 game players?  3 of the 5 primary outfield rotation players haven’t played more than 100 games since 2018 and each of them have only done so once in their careers. Kepler, is a poor hitting RF who plays strong D, I don’t even want him on the team except that he has been a relative iron man compared  to the other 4, and Gordon shouldn’t be an every day player.

    something has to change, and Wallner needs to be an every day player too.

    How can a lineup with 5 players all needing high quality backups overcome a black hole at SS?

    15 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

    The answer is not a SS that is so horrible at the plate that he is below replacement value when both offense and defense are combined.  The answer is the best player in aggregate. 

    Didn't you complain Larnach was going to be horrible too?  He was just fine.  Miranda had a small sample size at 3rd but I honestly don't recall him costing any runs at all in the time he played 3B.  I do recall him driving in the most runs on the team. 

    Iglesias would be a decent move to bridge the gap to Lewis.  His net production would be better than Simmons and he could fill a utility role thereafter.

    How would we know what Larnach is?  He can't stay on the field.

    10 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

     

    Are you planning on AK, Larnach, and Buxton all suddenly becoming 130 game players?  3 of the 5 primary outfield rotation players haven’t played more than 100 games since 2018 and each of them have only done so once in their careers. Kepler, is a poor hitting RF who plays strong D, I don’t even want him on the team except that he has been a relative iron man compared  to the other 4, and Gordon shouldn’t be an every day player.

    something has to change, and Wallner needs to be an every day player too.

    How can a lineup with 5 players all needing high quality backups overcome a black hole at SS?

    I agree with much of what you are saying. Further, it was an embarrassment to be in contention and have an outfield consisting of three of (green rookie) Wallner, Gordon, Celestino and Jake Cave. What I don't agree with is that the Twins will be without their top five outfielders as much as they were this year. 

    I don't expect all five that were out for the stretch run in 2022 (Buxton, Kepler, Garlick, Larnach and Kirilloff) to stay healthy all year or be ready for a stretch run, but I would expect more than zero to be basically healthy for that duration. Saying that, I do expect better health for the outfield than 2022. Having an upgraded replacement for Garlick and having two or three capable outfielders in reserve (Gordon, Celestino, Wallner) should be enough depth to have something left at the end of the season. It just hasn't happened the last two or three years. 

    20 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

    Wouldn't that basically be the same team we have this year plus a RH outfielder?  Would Mitch Hannigar makes this team anything close to a contender?  I am hoping for a more significant change.

    Better catcher but main thing IMO they shouldn't be as decimated by injuries. You know lightning strikes twice etc. This year probably would have been a lot better by improving pen, and even half the injuries. I think the pieces are there minus ss and catcher already.

    One of the biggest factors you are losing at SS with Correa is his leadership.  Someone to be out front, encouraging and working with the other guys, and being a field general.  Bringing some heart to the team.  The clubhouse has been rudderless since Torrii Hunter.  Maybe Royce Lewis can be that big personality when he finally gets back.  He is dynamic, but if he cannot stay on the field, nothing else matters.  He may be an injury prone player like Kirrilloff and Larnach---he is going to have to prove otherwise BEFORE you can plan to build around him.  

    The Twins are fun because they are hometown, but they are a long way from the the caliber of teams you see in the playoffs right now.  It is hard to get excited about them for next year until they fill the gaps on the mound, behind the plate, at SS, and to commit to a regular LF'r.  too much to do to believe they are more than a 3rd place team next year.

    1 hour ago, Karbo said:

    Better catcher but main thing IMO they shouldn't be as decimated by injuries. You know lightning strikes twice etc. This year probably would have been a lot better by improving pen, and even half the injuries. I think the pieces are there minus ss and catcher already.

    I am part way there with you.  They had something like the 2nd most time lost to injury in the league.   However, I still never believed this team was a serious contender.  More pieces have emerged but I still think they are a fringe contender with Correa.  So, It comes down to how the front office projects Lewis.  He is not as valuable at any other position.  

    Houston is a very well run organization.  They were basically faced with the same scenario.  They chose to go with Pena and invest the $35M elsewhere.  Of course, Houston is a bigger market with more revenue.  Even the Yankees, passed on the big SS class last year.  I bet theyb do the same this year because they have a couple great SS prospects.  It's simply more productive to invest elsewhere when a team has a young player ready to take over a position.  I was so disappointed when he got hurt because we were perfectly set-up for him to transition this year knowing Correa would opt out.

    I see a Lewis / Lee left side of the infield in a couple years.  




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