Why Minnesota Twins Might Not Extend Qualifying Offer to Ryan Jeffers

[killercarewoliva]

5 hours ago, NYCTK said:

you're just simply wrong. no ifs, ands or buts about it. you're just flat out wrong. 

if your boss , that does basically nothing, is making hundreds of millions off of your labor, you're damn right the players deserve the money they get

Crazy. Even Derek Jeter when he was making 15 million for 3 years. total of 45 million called it. crazy money. so it's okay to have a ticket to see one ball game at $1,600? That's absurd. you remember George Bush had part ownership in the Texas rangers and he was on TV with the current commissioner when he worked for the New York Yankees and George was criticizing everything about the money that the stadium charged parking and sessions prices for tickets. he was part owner and couldn't stand it. No ball game is worth that kind of money. I was offered a seat at the 87 world series for $100. too much not doing it. why do you think it's worth why do you think a ball player is worth $70 million for one season? you know we have two people in the NFL and they only have 20 games to play. that makes $70 million to play 20 ball games. that's insane. why is it okay? you are being screwed whoever you are every time you go to a ball field and pay that big money to see a ball game. they're laughing at you all the way to the bank. these players with money like that. 1972, I paid $15 for a box seat behind home plate. 1967, I paid $4.50 for the same seat. inflation hardly goes up to where it is now. a loaf of bread would cost $50 if it did. it's absurd.

[tony&rodney]

2 minutes ago, killercarewoliva said:

Crazy. Even Derek Jeter when he was making 15 million for 3 years. total of 45 million called it. crazy money. so it's okay to have a ticket to see one ball game at $1,600? That's absurd. you remember George Bush had part ownership in the Texas rangers and he was on TV with the current commissioner when he worked for the New York Yankees and George was criticizing everything about the money that the stadium charged parking and sessions prices for tickets. he was part owner and couldn't stand it. No ball game is worth that kind of money. I was offered a seat at the 87 world series for $100. too much not doing it. why do you think it's worth why do you think a ball player is worth $70 million for one season? you know we have two people in the NFL and they only have 20 games to play. that makes $70 million to play 20 ball games. that's insane. why is it okay? you are being screwed whoever you are every time you go to a ball field and pay that big money to see a ball game. they're laughing at you all the way to the bank. these players with money like that. 1972, I paid $15 for a box seat behind home plate. 1967, I paid $4.50 for the same seat. inflation hardly goes up to where it is now. a loaf of bread would cost $50 if it did. it's absurd.

Do you believe all income should be capped ... say maximum $1M? $10M? What number? To be fair this would be for any type of compensation (salary, bonuses, stocks, property, et al) and would be across all people in the country. A true salary cap.  What is the number? 

[Vanimal46]

6 minutes ago, killercarewoliva said:

I was offered a seat at the 87 world series for $100.

Where was the seat located? $100 in 1987 is the equivalent of $296.60 in 2026. Not counting the entertainment tax of watching a live sport today. 

[killercarewoliva]

2 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Do you believe all income should be capped ... say maximum $1M? $10M? What number? To be fair this would be for any type of compensation (salary, bonuses, stocks, property, et al) and would be across all people in the country. A true salary cap.  What is the number? 

$1 million is more than enough for anybody to take care of himself and his family. how close do you come to that? or let's say for most people, how much do they need to? have a nice home. nice car. whatever does it take a million dollars to do that? The one drawback on my feelings on it is they can't do this as a career for 40 years. 20 years maximum. the average is about 5 years so that holds them up on whatever career they have the ability to do until they finish baseball. but if they play for 5 years, they're still going to make millions and they don't even need to work anymore. just invest it. do you think a guy who can play really good will work for that? well that's a going rate. the most money Harmon Killebrew made in the season was $110,000. he played Jim Kaat played for 13,000. Bert Blyleven played for 9,000. today I'm going to guess that's about 120,000 something like that.

[tony&rodney]

Just now, killercarewoliva said:

$1 million is more than enough for anybody to take care of himself and his family. how close do you come to that? or let's say for most people, how much do they need to? have a nice home. nice car. whatever does it take a million dollars to do that? The one drawback on my feelings on it is they can't do this as a career for 40 years. 20 years maximum. the average is about 5 years so that holds them up on whatever career they have the ability to do until they finish baseball. but if they play for 5 years, they're still going to make millions and they don't even need to work anymore. just invest it. do you think a guy who can play really good will work for that? well that's a going rate. the most money Harmon Killebrew made in the season was $110,000. he played Jim Kaat played for 13,000. Bert Blyleven played for 9,000. today I'm going to guess that's about 120,000 something like that.

So Elon Musk, among many others, goes down to $1M per year? Ok. Sounds good. Deficit is conquered.

[killercarewoliva]

3 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Where was the seat located? $100 in 1987 is the equivalent of $296.60 in 2026. Not counting the entertainment tax of watching a live sport today. 

if it's playoff time even I would pay $300 for a seat but that's regular season pricing if you close to the field. you see baseball the better seats. they started charging the prices of the NFL who has 10 home games. baseball has 81 home games. that's crazy money. they don't need that much money. what was the average price of a world series ticket? multiply that times. what is it? 50,000 people you know they are hoping for not just four games with money revenue like that. The finances of baseball is outrageously out of hand because there's no salary cap and it's going to be a really good deal for the players if they accept the salary cap which will be an outrageous amount of money. but most likely they'll be no baseball for a while. you got to hold your ground. if the players walk with the money they're making now, we should boycott the entire season once they start playing. we're not coming to see you. if you're not satisfied with the money we provide you with now, you're not worth that much money that you're paid now. so if you don't play, we don't come watch when you come back because you're already light years overpaid as it is. that proves they're not loyal to your city. they just want to take advantage of your pocketbook for the few that can't afford it. let's get real people. you're being beat down

[killercarewoliva]

3 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

So Elon Musk, among many others, goes down to $1M per year? Ok. Sounds good. Deficit is conquered.

you can't compare what musk does to a ball game. let's compare it then. if that's what you want to do, you know anybody that's had a heart transplant to stay alive. I do well, not personally somebody I very much look up to. I read his book. it was incredible. his name is rod Carew. you might know who I'm talking of. he gets a heart transplant and a kidney transplant the same day. how much is that worth? how much should the doctor and everybody in that operating room make from keeping Rodney alive? they do that because they know how they bring your loved one life. shouldn't they make more than a baseball player? I don't know but somebody that does that probably makes a half me in a year. that's my guess and a baseball player can live on that easily. I am so surprised that people think the right to see a game is good in these days. I was falling out of my chair so to speak that one guy who probably like most they definitely don't get paid enough. they should get paid even more. $70 million a year is not enough so how about when it gets to be 100 million for one season? how absurd is that? is it going to reach 500 million? how about 1 billion for one season? there's no way that anybody should enter a baseball stadium with the prices that the players make like it is. you the player are not here for us. you're here for where you get paid the most. there is no loyalty unless your name is like Joe Mauer and he took the home team discount at 23 million a season. that sound like a discount to you? pricing on the ball field started to get out of hand like the late 1980s. I don't remember what year was it that Kirby Puckett was paid? the first $6 million player came right out of Minnesota. That's unbelievable. money to play a game.

[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, killercarewoliva said:

if it's playoff time even I would pay $300 for a seat but that's regular season pricing if you close to the field. you see baseball the better seats. they started charging the prices of the NFL who has 10 home games. baseball has 81 home games. that's crazy money. they don't need that much money. what was the average price of a world series ticket? multiply that times. what is it? 50,000 people you know they are hoping for not just four games with money revenue like that. The finances of baseball is outrageously out of hand because there's no salary cap and it's going to be a really good deal for the players if they accept the salary cap which will be an outrageous amount of money. but most likely they'll be no baseball for a while. you got to hold your ground. if the players walk with the money they're making now, we should boycott the entire season once they start playing. we're not coming to see you. if you're not satisfied with the money we provide you with now, you're not worth that much money that you're paid now. so if you don't play, we don't come watch when you come back because you're already light years overpaid as it is. that proves they're not loyal to your city. they just want to take advantage of your pocketbook for the few that can't afford it. let's get real people. you're being beat down

So the TV contract money should go to whom? 

I asked a simple question. Where was the $100 seat location at the 1987 World Series?

[tony&rodney]

12 minutes ago, killercarewoliva said:

you can't compare what musk does to a ball game. let's compare it then. if that's what you want to do, you know anybody that's had a heart transplant to stay alive. I do well, not personally somebody I very much look up to. I read his book. it was incredible. his name is rod Carew. you might know who I'm talking of. he gets a heart transplant and a kidney transplant the same day. how much is that worth? how much should the doctor and everybody in that operating room make from keeping Rodney alive? they do that because they know how they bring your loved one life. shouldn't they make more than a baseball player? I don't know but somebody that does that probably makes a half me in a year. that's my guess and a baseball player can live on that easily. I am so surprised that people think the right to see a game is good in these days. I was falling out of my chair so to speak that one guy who probably like most they definitely don't get paid enough. they should get paid even more. $70 million a year is not enough so how about when it gets to be 100 million for one season? how absurd is that? is it going to reach 500 million? how about 1 billion for one season? there's no way that anybody should enter a baseball stadium with the prices that the players make like it is. you the player are not here for us. you're here for where you get paid the most. there is no loyalty unless your name is like Joe Mauer and he took the home team discount at 23 million a season. that sound like a discount to you? pricing on the ball field started to get out of hand like the late 1980s. I don't remember what year was it that Kirby Puckett was paid? the first $6 million player came right out of Minnesota. That's unbelievable. money to play a game.

Not remotely an answer to a simple question. 

As far as money goes, carpenters, cleaners, pilots, CEO's, athletes, surgeons, inventors, and dictators are all jobs/careers/ occupations or whatever you want to call it. The value is whatever .... one thing to you and one thing to another person. 

[darin617]

He's a Boras client, you offer the QO and there's no way he accepts it. The free agent market for catchers is sparce so Boras will try to take advantage of it. I could see him taking a 3 year contract for 40m before he accepts 23m for 1 year.

[tony&rodney]

20 minutes ago, darin617 said:

He's a Boras client, you offer the QO and there's no way he accepts it. The free agent market for catchers is sparce so Boras will try to take advantage of it. I could see him taking a 3 year contract for 40m before he accepts 23m for 1 year.

People should remember that a contract of less than $50M results in a pick after Comp B, which is before the third round (roughly pick #75).if the QO is given and rejected. Offers over $50M gives a pick before Round Two of draft (@#35).

[darin617]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

People should remember that a contract of less than $50M results in a pick after Comp B, which is before the third round (roughly pick #75).if the QO is given and rejected. Offers over $50M gives a pick before Round Two of draft (@#35).

That has nothing to do with my post at all.  The Twins should have traded Jeffers at the deadline. The QO is just to get something in return instead of nothing.  

[tony&rodney]

7 minutes ago, darin617 said:

That has nothing to do with my post at all.  The Twins should have traded Jeffers at the deadline. The QO is just to get something in return instead of nothing.  

Agree Jeffers should have been traded. Just a note to say that the something could be a #75 pick, not a #35 pick. That value is not worth a $23M gamble. I'm not convinced the QO should be made. There is a chance Jeffers accepts the large one year deal. The Twins made a mistake by not trading him and it would be another mistake to roster two catchers for $30M+, unless the roster budget is $160M+.

So it is related but I certainly could have extended and explained the response more fully. Regrets on that.

[NYCTK]

8 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

That value is not worth a $23M gamble.

It's not a $23 million gamble. You're only gambling the premium you're paying him on a one year deal. So closer to $5 million. 

I'm very, very willing to see the Pohlads throw away $5 million on a second tier player that improves my favorite baseball team. And I'm very confused how people here aren't. 

It's not your money. It's a $2 billion entity! I promise you Jeffers doesn't preclude the Twins from doing anything else. 

This decision does not cause payroll issues on account of the Twins having bottom third payroll commitments, but maybe more importantly, unlike decisions about Royce or Larnach or Ober or Kramer or even Joe Ryan, this decision creates no downstream roster issues. 

The Twins need 2 catchers on their 26 man roster and an additional one on their 40 man roster. Jeffers is blocking no one and, is clearly the best option internally. There's not a single hard decision created if he were to accept the QO. 

Everyone needs to remember this is the Twins and if that money doesn't go to Jeffers, it goes to the Pohlads.