Guardians 2, Twins 1: Long, Dry Rain Delay Begets Short, Dry Walkoff Loss

[Mike Sixel]

14 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Might have been nice for Stewart not to be on back to back outings today. 

Of course, nothing could have prevented that.

You think if Paddock goes one more inning, Stewart sits for a third day, in a close game? 

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

You think if Paddock goes one more inning, Stewart sits for a third day, in a close game? 

Well, he pitched the sixth. It's certainly possible, since we know Rocco decides his reliever usage before the game starts.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, USAFChief said:

Well, he pitched the sixth. It's certainly possible, since we know Rocco decides his reliever usage before the game starts.

We know no such thing. We're done. Several people have given you data disputing your claims. You don't care . Enjoy being you. 

[USAFChief]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

We know no such thing. We're done. Several people have given you data disputing your claims. You don't care . Enjoy being you. 

And you downvote every single post that even mentions Rocco. Every day. We get it, you can't be swayed by evidence.

We're done. Enjoy being you.

 

[KirbyDome89]

19 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

And the thumbs down and responses are fair rebuttals to the critique. 

I provided 3 examples from the last week as a rebuttal to the idea that Rocco sticks with his in game plans no matter what. You said it isn't even debatable. I gave you 3 examples out of 5 games. And a more than reasonable explanation for the decision last night. That's 4 of 6 games. The point is that larger issue is debatable and we can provide examples for why.

Never said they weren't, I asked what part of the post was being downvoted. 

I said it's not debatable that this organization has been slow (or resistant) to changing course. That goes from roster building down to in game decision making. I very much believe that has hurt them over the last few years, and there's plenty of examples of that. 

If you're after some blanket statement saying Rocco is incapable of making off script (in game or otherwise) decisions on his own you'll have to find that argument elsewhere. 

[chpettit19]

6 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Never said they weren't, I asked what part of the post was being downvoted. 

 

I said it's not debatable that this organization has been slow (or resistant) to changing course. That goes from roster building down to in game decision making. I very much believe that has hurt them over the last few years, and there's plenty of examples of that. 

If you're after some blanket statement saying Rocco is incapable of making off script (in game or otherwise) decisions on his own you'll have to find that argument elsewhere. 

"I think it is 1000% clear that Rocco manages to a plan and is not willing to go with what his eyes or gut are telling him."

I wasn't looking for the argument from you, it was already made and you questioned why we'd question it. It was literally the first sentence of what you questioned us disagreeing with so I provided examples of Rocco going "with what his eyes or gut are telling him."

[KirbyDome89]

15 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

"I think it is 1000% clear that Rocco manages to a plan and is not willing to go with what his eyes or gut are telling him."

I wasn't looking for the argument from you, it was already made and you questioned why we'd question it. It was literally the first sentence of what you questioned us disagreeing with so I provided examples of Rocco going "with what his eyes or gut are telling him."

Appreciate the clarity. There's a reason the above section wasn't quoted by me, and tbf, all of the subsequent posts, including those I viewed as taking a wider view were also downvoted. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

We know no such thing. We're done. Several people have given you data disputing your claims. You don't care . Enjoy being you. 

You know one of Baldelli’s jobs is to write the lineup card, right?

Gasper at DH and batting leadoff today, Brooks Lee 8th, Julien on the bench? (against a RHP)?

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

You know one of Baldelli’s jobs is to write the lineup card, right?

Gasper at DH and batting leadoff today, Brooks Lee 8th, Julien on the bench? (against a RHP)?

This is a non sequitur from the pitching discussion. But sure, not my first choice of lineup.

[JD-TWINS]

18 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Why didn't he do it in Paddack's last start then? You know, the game where he threw 99 pitches and faced 24 batters (that's nearly 3 full times through the order if you don't want to do the math)? 

I don't think it's "a pretty clear yes." I think Paddack giving up a lot of very loud contact was very much a factor in the decision. I think Paddack is a bottom of the rotation starter who doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and when he's giving up rockets all over the field the first 2 times through the order through 5 innings and you have a fully rested pen you thank the baseball gods you're still in the game and turn it over to the pen. I think that's a very reasonable choice.

You can discuss the manager all you want, but you're doing what you claim to dislike, just bringing THE factor to the table and making a decision on that. The starter was pulled before the third time through so it's automatically wrong. You don't care about why the decision was made. You don't even care about being open to the idea that there may be other factors as to why the decision was made. You don't even care that a different decision was made the very last time that particular pitcher pitched. 

You just have a set criteria you want to complain about and it presented itself so you complained. Don't act like you're here to have some deep conversation about any of this. You saw an opportunity to complain about Rocco and you took it. Your complaint has zero to do with the actual circumstances of last night's game, or for that matter the manager's actual performance, short or long term. Hi pot, I'm kettle, nice to meet you.

Reasons for doing things differently from game to game - one pitcher’s start v.  his next - there must be a dozen potential variables (reasons) through the course of a year.

For Paddack on Tuesday, stacking 99 pitch outings doesn’t bode well for him staying fresh as long as possible through the season…….his contact rate and velocity of bat to balls leaving the plate was pretty high as a rule all night ………. the bullpen was fresh. Those are 3 reasons to remove Paddack - analytics would provide more validity, I’m certain.

They scored 1 run ……..why do all the strategic details matter so much (unless about run generation) when the Team doesn’t score?

[JD-TWINS]

10 hours ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

You know one of Baldelli’s jobs is to write the lineup card, right?

Gasper at DH and batting leadoff today, Brooks Lee 8th, Julien on the bench? (against a RHP)?

Julien is on the Team out of nearly as much desperation as Gasper. He stands in the box as though he’s collecting data instead of looking like a professional hitter…….he’s at .210. There is no great loss with him not in the line-up. I wholeheartedly agree that Gasper is a stretch for any MLB line-up but this example of Eddie sitting isn’t real strong from my point of view. Tired of Eddie’s arrogance or confusion in the box!!!

[Aerodeliria]

On 4/30/2025 at 9:03 PM, BrokenCompass said:

Louie ain't fooling anyone. 

To be fair, his bread and butter is the fastball. Why does Vasquez call for three straight off-speed pitches in a row with the game on the line? When a guy can reach 97+, let's see it...