Article: Three-Bagger: Slowey, Gibson & May

[Nick Nelson]

You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1915-Three-Bagger-Slowey-Gibson-May

[jokin]

Good article. The Gibson summation is pretty comprehensive.

 

On Slowey though, I'm not sure. The Marlins started him on short rest on Wednesday night (after his marathon performance in relief in the marathon game on Saturday night), and he left that game with a pulled muscle. The Marlins have another young arm available and want to get him out there- that's what rebuilding teams are supposed to do. Plus, they are going to shut down another youngster and will be sellers coming up soon. Ricky Nolasco gets them another nice haul and Slowey either moves back into the rotation or gets traded to a contender himself.

 

I stand by my earlier prediction on Trevor May. He gets the call-up in August or September after the trades and/or shutdowns.

[Shane Wahl]

Twins rotation to start 2013:

 

Gibson

May

Diamond

Worley

Correia

 

Hendriks

Meyer

[jokin]

Twins rotation to start 2013:

 

Gibson

May

Diamond

Worley

Correia

 

Hendriks

Meyer

 

 

Ah, to the chance to get a do-over in 2013. Are we going back in time, then?

 

I suspect they will attempt to re-sign Pelfrey and look to deal one of Correia, Worley and Hendriks.

 

Deduno and Walters will likely still be hanging around on the depth chart in some capacity next spring (2014).

[chuchadoro]

Gibson's problem has been pitching too well at times. If his good starts weren't as good, he'd be more consistent and he'd already be with the big club. Also, the hotshot thinks it's ok to show up the other team by making batters swing and miss sometimes. We don't care for that type of attitude in Twins Territory.

[JB_Iowa]

Please let them be trying to keep some of these guys with the Twins and praying for good enough performances that SOMEONE might want one or more of them at the trade deadline.

 

That's the only good reason I can think of for keeping Gibson down.

[UCLA_YANKEE_COLA]

That's a pretty terrible article by Tom Powers.

[Shane Wahl]

Ah, to the chance to get a do-over in 2013. Are we going back in time, then?

 

I suspect they will attempt to re-sign Pelfrey and look to deal one of Correia, Worley and Hendriks.

 

Deduno and Walters will likely still be hanging around on the depth chart in some capacity next spring (2014).

 

Thanks . Must have been a subconscious thing, hoping for things to be one year ahead of where they are now.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Um, Meyer's been pretty good until his DL stint..

[Shane Wahl]

By the way, if the Twins hadn't made the bonehead decision to sign Blackburn to that terrible, useless contract, where would Slowey be today? That contract pushed Gardy to favor him and then name him a starter instead of the more-deserving Slowey.

 

I want Slowey to do well this year, just for Dick and Bert.

[Mike Sixel]

Wimmers will be hanging around, being all Gibson-like next year also.....

[ThePuck]

By the way, if the Twins hadn't made the bonehead decision to sign Blackburn to that terrible, useless contract, where would Slowey be today? That contract pushed Gardy to favor him and then name him a starter instead of the more-deserving Slowey.

 

I want Slowey to do well this year, just for Dick and Bert.

 

I agree. Also, Slowey has been their 3rd best starter this year. Now that Turner is up, Slowey has probably dropped to 4th. In any event, strictly by results, his demotion makes little sense.

[raindog]

I'm not sure why the Twins should target a player like Kevin Slowey, even without the bad blood. Not that he's a bad player, but he's 29 with not a lot of upside. They should be trading away older players for young prospects at the deadline.

[Boom Boom]

That's a pretty terrible article by Tom Powers.

Right? It sounds like Powers doesn't even care that neither Span or Revere has been all that great this season, only that they looked good beating the Twins.

[DaveW]

Slowey is not a good pitcher, no the twins should NOT be targeting him, we have enough bad pitchers on the team and in the minors.

 

I love how the Slowey apologists continue to make excuses for him, unbelievable. Clearly teams, managers and GMs have passed this future ace over time and time again

[DaveW]

Also Meyer has been pretty damn solid, I am very happy with the span trade, and may looks like he could stick as well. Not bad for trading a 4th OF who is doing poor for the Phillies anyways!

[Nick Nelson]

Slowey is not a good pitcher, no the twins should NOT be targeting him, we have enough bad pitchers on the team and in the minors.

 

I love how the Slowey apologists continue to make excuses for him, unbelievable. Clearly teams, managers and GMs have passed this future ace over time and time again

 

Excuses? He's pitched well this year. No one's ever called him an ace but he's better than much of what the Twins have in their system (as is Francisco Liriano, BTW). They seem to have a habit of letting the wrong guys go, which has helped get them to this point.

 

Um, Meyer's been pretty good until his DL stint..

 

I don't think I've said otherwise. The K-rate and low hit totals are very impressive, but I've heard more than one scout-type express legit concern about his command issues. He's certainly not dominating in Double-A the way that a 23-year-old heralded as a top-of-rotation talent could be.

 

And even with the clean test results, shoulder soreness is worrisome.

[Dman]

I think the Twins should try and trade Correia but I don't know if they would get much. I don't see teams being interested in Worley, Hendricks, or DeVries. So I guess we will have to give them time to see if they will ever be worth anything.

 

I agree Gibson and Albers have earned a shot at the Bigs but I don't see why that HAS to happen anytime soon. They are there and ready when another pitcher gets hurt or starts poorly for X amount of starts. Otherwise lets just see what the guys who are there can give us so we better know what we have for next year. We still are not going to be that good in 2014 so there is plenty of time to see the other guys pitch next year. Odds are after the trade deadline we will see them both pitch this year anyway. Lets be patient and not give up on the guys we have.

[PseudoSABR]

Slowey is the guy you pick up off the waiver wire (which is exactly what's been happening with him)--that he got demoted on an awful Marlins team tells us something about his viability. You don't trade veterans for a guy like Slowey; at best, if you're a competitive team, you trade a middling prospect for him to round out a rotation.

[jokin]

Excuses? He's pitched well this year. No one's ever called him an ace but he's better than much of what the Twins have in their system (as is Francisco Liriano, BTW). They seem to have a habit of letting the wrong guys go, which has helped get them to this point.

 

Not only are these habits, there seems to be a pattern of continual self-inflicted wounds. For some reason they have have a penchant for ostracizing guys (internally and through their reliable media stooges) who aren't completely "Twins Way robots" and/or they end up selling them when they're at rock-bottom value (Garza, Lohse, Hardy.....).

 

It would be nice if just once they could deal a JJ Hardy the year after he hits 30 HR and OPS's @ .801 instead of after he hits 6 HR with a .714 OPS (Josh Willingham also fits). Or Liriano, when he had an ERA+ of 112 in 2010 instead of last year when his ERA+ was 76 (FYI, his current ERA+ with the Pirates is 149).

[Mike Sixel]

They could be good in 2014, if they wanted to try ..... not sure why people are already writing next year off.

[ThePuck]

Slowey is never going to want to come back to the Twins....and I don't think the Twins will ever ask for him. It's a dead issue.

[Nick Nelson]

You don't trade veterans for a guy like Slowey; at best, if you're a competitive team, you trade a middling prospect for him to round out a rotation.

 

That's pretty much exactly what I'm suggesting. And, as was clearly stated in the article, we're not talking about Slowey specifically because that ain't happening.

 

But I like the idea of seeking out an undervalued under-30 pitcher with good peripherals in another organization who can be given an opportunity and -- if it works out -- potentially figure into the team's plans beyond this year without much expense. The rotation should be an auditioning ground in the second half, and the more viable candidates they can try out, the better. (Are guys like P.J. Walters, Cole De Vries and Andrew Albers viable long-term options? I don't really think so.)

[jokin]

They could be good in 2014, if they wanted to try ..... not sure why people are already writing next year off.

 

Many in the "patience" camp are already beginning to write off 2015, as well, beginning to look like a pattern....Hmmm....Must be nostalgic for the post-WS 90s Twins.

[jokin]

That's pretty much exactly what I'm suggesting. And, as was clearly stated in the article, we're not talking about Slowey specifically because that ain't happening.

 

But I like the idea of seeking out an undervalued under-30 pitcher with good peripherals in another organization who can be given an opportunity and -- if it works out -- potentially figure into the team's plans beyond this year without much expense. The rotation should be an auditioning ground in the second half, and the more viable candidates they can try out, the better. (Are guys like P.J. Walters, Cole De Vries and Andrew Albers viable long-term options? I don't really think so.)

 

Right. It's foolish to dismiss out of hand that guys like Slowey don't offer low-cost, low-risk, value-added options to GMs in need of arms at only a $750,000 salary to find out the answer. Guys that appear to have the chance to turn it around health-wise is right up Terry Ryan's basic MO. Only he generally goes for guys recovering from even worse injury calamities.

[jokin]

Slowey is never going to want to come back to the Twins....and I don't think the Twins will ever ask for him. It's a dead issue.

 

Yup. That well is poisoned by both sides. How about Francisco Liriano? The Pirates appear to have a Comeback Player of the Year on their hands, at the cost of only $1M, plus a team-friendly team option year in 2014. The Twins and Liriano apparently poisoned that well, too.

[PseudoSABR]

That's pretty much exactly what I'm suggesting. And, as was clearly stated in the article, we're not talking about Slowey specifically because that ain't happening.

 

But I like the idea of seeking out an undervalued under-30 pitcher with good peripherals in another organization who can be given an opportunity and -- if it works out -- potentially figure into the team's plans beyond this year without much expense. The rotation should be an auditioning ground in the second half, and the more viable candidates they can try out, the better. (Are guys like P.J. Walters, Cole De Vries and Andrew Albers viable long-term options? I don't really think so.)

Fair enough. But the names you mention (along with Deduno) are our Sloweys. Be it without the pedigree or the major league track record.

 

Brian Matusz fits your profile and somebody I'd like to see the Twins fetch.

[PseudoSABR]

Only he generally goes for guys recovering from even worse injury calamities.

Right. Only two or three such signings this offseason. (Pelfry, Harden, Perez).

[Steve_h]

Realistically, a MLB team, even a rebuilding one, can only roll the dice on one or two of these low-risk, high-reward guys per year. The Twins rolled with Pelfrey and it hasn't been terrible -- but also not successful. We've seen improvements in recent starts. The Marlins tried Slowey (and others) and the Pirates Liriano. Let's not drool over Liriano or Slowey too much. Liriano has exactly 8 starts and we can all remember 8 consecutive good starts with the Twins too. It's just that those 8 good starts are usually followed by 5 bad ones. He's just inconsistent.

[johnnydakota]

Maybe the Twins are protecting Gibson from Anderson?