Astros 3, Twins 2: The Season is Over

[D.C Twins]

7 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

Cubs fans might disagree with you.

Dusty does great when he has great players, like most managers. (check out the Houston side of the world some time, they're pretty convinced that Dusty insisting on playing Maldonaldo every game in the playoffs is going to kill them) Dusty Baker didn't hit any of the HRs that sank the Twins, and I really can't think of a significant managerial move that he made in this series, and certainly not one that was decisive.

My take was certainly not a hot one

Baker does not repeatedly get managerial jobs by accident. MANY people that know more than us have identified his talent. 

There have been A LOT of managers that have not won divisions, pennants, and WS when they had 'great' players. 

As for last night specifically, I think he managed his SP differently than many (certainly Rocco) would have. 

 

[Sutter50]

2 hours ago, specialiststeve said:

Was at the game... Ryan had very good stuff . Thought maybe he was hurt. He should have been left in .... 

Led eventually to Thielbar coming in and having Abreau hit the home run While Paddock was warmed up and ready to go. CAN'T HAPPEN!! 

Baldelli's mismanagement of the pitching staff over the rear likely cost us minimum of 5 games and likely closer to 10.... 

This one might have cost us a chance to go to game 5. 

Argh!! 

 

Ar

The 20/20 hindsight is strong with this one.

[218263]

Watching the Atlanta Philadelphia game, and the announcer just stated that Atlanta’s hitters were the second highest strikeout team in the majors last year. This year they struck out fourth least in major league baseball. It would be interesting to see how they turned that around. Probably not just one thing, and I don’t know if it’s stemmed from an overall approach by their batting coaches, but maybe the Twins could effect the same change. I don’t think they’re gonna be able to get much better until they lower their strikeout rate.

[SwainZag]

5 hours ago, specialiststeve said:

Was at the game... Ryan had very good stuff . Thought maybe he was hurt. He should have been left in .... 

Led eventually to Thielbar coming in and having Abreau hit the home run While Paddock was warmed up and ready to go. CAN'T HAPPEN!! 

Baldelli's mismanagement of the pitching staff over the rear likely cost us minimum of 5 games and likely closer to 10.... 

This one might have cost us a chance to go to game 5. 

Argh!! 

 

Ar

It was 1-1 when Ryan was lifted in 3rd.  The game finished 3-2.  If the Twins had lost this game 8-6 and the bullpen got rocked you might have an argument, but the entire pen giving up 2 runs over 7 innings and losing because the offense couldn't muster more than 2 hits over the rest of the ballgame makes your point moot.

[specialiststeve]

3 hours ago, Sutter50 said:

The 20/20 hindsight is strong with this one.

Actually in the moment ... at the game when he allowed him to pitch to him I was cussing knowing.. and have NO idea how everyone with any baseball acumen doesn't realize that as hot as Abreau was/is you could not allow Thielbar to pitch to him. The matchup was TERRIBLE! So no.. it wasn't hindsight.. it was common sense. 

[specialiststeve]

50 minutes ago, SwainZag said:

It was 1-1 when Ryan was lifted in 3rd.  The game finished 3-2.  If the Twins had lost this game 8-6 and the bullpen got rocked you might have an argument, but the entire pen giving up 2 runs over 7 innings and losing because the offense couldn't muTakster more than 2 hits over the rest of the ballgame makes your point moot.

Partially correct... but taking out Ryan when throwing really well compounded by the bonehead move of leaving Thielbar in to pitch to Abreau.. changed the tone of the game...that is non debatable for those at the game. 

Correct is that we reverted back to the 1st half of the season trying to hit everything out of the park instead of trying to get hits and putting pressure on the pitching and defense of the other team.. getting the same results as we did the first half of the season... poor. 

[SwainZag]

3 minutes ago, specialiststeve said:

Partially correct... but taking out Ryan when throwing really well compounded by the bonehead move of leaving Thielbar in to pitch to Abreau.. changed the tone of the game...that is non debatable for those at the game. 

Correct is that we reverted back to the 1st half of the season trying to hit everything out of the park instead of trying to get hits and putting pressure on the pitching and defense of the other team.. getting the same results as we did the first half of the season... poor. 

We have no idea what the plan for Ryan was.  It could have been once through the lineup all along.  Abreu was the 3rd batter Thielbar faced, he was facing him no matter what when he was brought into the game.  Thielbar was brought in to face Alvarez, Tucker, Abreu and Brantley.  3 lefties and a righty.  Unfortunately Abreu beat him.