Article: When Will Gibson Get a Chance?

[IdahoPilgrim]

There is only one legitimate reason to promote Gibson at this point - because it's what he needs to continue his development. If that's the case, then do it. If he still needs time in AAA to recover from TJ or to get his game back or whatever, then that's where he should be.

 

He should absolutely not be promoted primarily because of dissatisfaction with the current rotation. This year doesn't matter. We're building for the future.

[Nick Nelson]

But I think the true long-term thinking is to promote him when you think he's ready, and that has nothing to do with the guys in front of him. And I don't think he's really shown he's ready. I don't see a point in rushing him just because he has an inning limit. And I don't see a point in rushing him if you aren't sure he's going to be better than what is currently here.

Doesn't Terry Ryan's quote within this post suggest pretty strongly that he is ready? I don't see what Gibson's going to learn in Triple-A at this point that he couldn't learn in the majors while also giving the Twins a better chance to win games. If he fizzles out, you can always send him back down -- it's not like you'd be using an extra option.

 

I'd just like to see him get a chance, especially since it would disrupt the miserable status quo. Again: the Twins have the second-worst rotation in the major leagues. That is not in any way irrelevant to this conversation.

[Nick Nelson]

Some Gibson stats:

 

Opponents are hitting .262/.313/.335 against him.

 

He has faced 178 hitters, allowing two home runs and 12 walks.

 

36 of the 43 hits he's allowed have been singles.

 

By the account of the Twins' GM, he is 100% physically, and sound mechanically.

 

I'm curious to know what signs would lead anyone to believe he's not ready. Is it just based on one bad start? His numbers prior to Wednesday's outing, in which 7 of 11 balls in play turned into hits, would have to be described as excellent.

[TheLeviathan]

Well...he ain't getting any younger. And Pelfrey/Hernandez ain't getting any better. I don't understand why he's not here. Especially if the GM seems to think he's ready to go.

[jokin]

 

 

 

By the account of the Twins' GM, he is 100% physically, and sound mechanically.

 

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Of course, this was the same organization whose Assistant GM stated that Rafael Perez was "fully healthy and has an excellent chance of joining the Twins Starting Rotation..."

[silverslugger]

I think we're all forgetting one major factor, economics! At the end of the day there are two and only two goals for any mlb franchise, winning the world series and attracting fans. This thread has focused mainly on whether Gibson deserves to be up based on the first goal, winning. I'd argue that the second goal, attracting fans, is even more important than the first. From that perspective, I think the Twins organization is very close to the need for change. Simply put, we as fans seen enough of Hernandez, Pelfrey, and Worley to make many of us less desirous of going to the ballpark, tuning in the radio, or turning on the tv. We, as fans, would like to see the continuation of the development of our future right here in Minnesota. It may soon very much be economically advantageous to have Kyle Gibson pitching for the Minnesota Twins.

[jokin]

Of course, this was the same organization whose Assistant GM stated that Rafael Perez was "fully healthy and has an excellent chance of joining the Twins Starting Rotation..."

 

Per Jeremy, Perez released.

[AlwaysinModeration]

To heck with Gibson, when is Colabello getting a chance? He should be the Twins' DH right now!

 

Of course, I'd like Gibson to be called up too.

[John Bonnes]

I'm curious to know what signs would lead anyone to believe he's not ready. Is it just based on one bad start? His numbers prior to Wednesday's outing, in which 7 of 11 balls in play turned into hits, would have to be described as excellent.

 

 

 

 

He just hasn't had any kind of sustained success. Holding AAA hitters to those numbers isn't particularly impressive. I see some bad starts, some great starts and a lot of mediocre starts. If he wasn't "former 1st rd pick Kyle Gibson" he wouldn't even be considered right now. I don't have any faith that Pelfrey or Hernandez couldn't match his numbers in AAA, so why would I believe he'll outperform them in the majors.

 

Im not down on him long term. I just like to see people kicking butt before they are called to the majors. And until they do, I can only be so critical of spending more time in the minors.

[Seth Stohs]

Right, John. As I kind of alluded to in the Friday night minor league report, if it was purely based on results, Andrew Albers is the guy that people should be clamoring for, not Gibson, Deduno, De Vries, etc.

[cmathewson]

It's never purely about results. It's mostly about whether Ryan's scouts think he's ready to get major league hitters out consistently. Ryan has said, "When they tell me he's ready, I'll bring him up." Obviously, they don't think he's ready. But he can't be that far off.

[Alex]

This discussion is almost a mirror to the Hicks discussion prior to spring training

 

At this point, the only callup that's actually looked big league ready was Arcia, and that was due to injury otherwise, he'd still be in the minors, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't quote believe what the Twins say about players being ready.

[Aaron Cross]

I hope Terry Ryan let the AAA manager get an ear full over that as well , If Glynn is so cavalier over Gibsons pitch limit and recovery , maybe we need to find a new manager , or is it that the Twins front office , ie. Evil Pete and Terry Ryan failed to express how they wanted Glynn to handle Gibson? Im sure we will never know, but I for one have seen the penny pinching imcopetense of these 2 dynamic dual in the past , and choose to believe they forgot to do there jobs....

This post and cmathewson's post, Two of the most preposterous posts i've read in months. He threw 114 pitches and the worlds come to an end. Just wow.

[cmathewson]

This post and cmathewson's post, Two of the most preposterous posts i've read in months. He threw 114 pitches and the worlds come to an end. Just wow.

 

In the context of how they handle their pitchers, especially their prospects, it was preposterous. They rarely let guys throw more than 100 pitches. Considering he is on a strict innings limit so close to surgery, it is a huge unnecessary risk. They talked about keeping him to six innings a start to stretch him out further into the season before they have to shut him down. This is a huge deviation from that plan. Considering that we have not developed a pitcher of his caliber since Garza, one would think they'd be more careful.

[Brodin4Calder]

In the context of how they handle their pitchers, especially their prospects, it was preposterous. They rarely let guys throw more than 100 pitches. Considering he is on a strict innings limit so close to surgery, it is a huge unnecessary risk. They talked about keeping him to six innings a start to stretch him out further into the season before they have to shut him down. This is a huge deviation from that plan. Considering that we have not developed a pitcher of his caliber since Garza, one would think they'd be more careful.

 

If it was a real risk they wouldnt of let him do it, they have doctors and trainers that they can ask how far he can go and if its dangerous. He needs to get his stamina up and if it means throwing that many pitches than so be it, I think it was a good move to let him stretch that arm out.

[hosskartrite]

Gibson has a no hitter into the eighth today on 76 pitches, but we have to watch Pedro Hernandez suck again today. 107 pitches in 4.1 innings.

[snepp]

Gibson isn't consistent enough and Hernandez doesn't "deserve" to lose his rotation spot.

 

 

He needs to go out there and prove that he can go 5 or fewer innings every start before receiving serious consideration. Consistency.

[jorgenswest]

He gave up a hit in the 8th. Put him on a plane. I am looking forward to his first start as a Twin.

[LaBombo]

If it was a real risk they wouldnt of let him do it, they have doctors and trainers that they can ask how far he can go and if its dangerous. He needs to get his stamina up and if it means throwing that many pitches than so be it, I think it was a good move to let him stretch that arm out.

If you assume that the Twins medical and training staff are infallible in their judgement of such matters, then yes.

 

There are several long threads in which quite a few convincing arguments to the contrary are made, and the only counter-arguments are basically just different flavors of 'your (sic) not a doctor, so STFU!'

[hosskartrite]

He gave up a hit in the 8th. Put him on a plane. I am looking forward to his first start as a Twin.

When you are loading the plane how about including Colabello, with a demotion for either Parmalee or Ramirez

[Brodin4Calder]

Gibson today- 9IP, 3H, 0ER, 2BB, 8K

 

He also dropped his ERA to 3.25. I think hes ready to come up and Hernandez should be sent down. They might let him start 1 more game in Rochester to see if he can be consistent and if he has a good game he will be called up.

[Craig Arko]

Given they probably will need 13 pitchers by the Detroit series, maybe he gets called up and Hernandez goes to the pen.

[greengoblinrulz]

obviously he is ready to come up for Hernandez & those that say he needs to put 2/3/4 good starts in a row are wrong. Twins have been looking for a reason NOT to call him up for some reason.

[Brodin4Calder]

In his last 10 games this year he has a good game then a bad game, its so wierd. Heres how many earned runs hes allowed in his last 10 games starting with todays game going back:

 

0ER, 4ER, 0ER, 5ER, 0ER, 3ER, 1ER, 5ER, 1ER

 

Ive never seen anything like it, its like he has 2 personalities and they switch off pitching every other week. This is why they might wait til he can string 2 good starts together.

[Thrylos]

I was at the game for Gibson's start today. I will write a bit about it soon, but color me impressed. There is no reason for him not to be with the Twins tomorrow... Colabello played RF today btw

[cmathewson]

He's been consistent, with the exception of his last start, when he had a tired arm.

[Guest USAFChief]

Gibson isn't consistent enough and Hernandez doesn't "deserve" to lose his rotation spot.

 

 

He needs to go out there and prove that he can go 5 or fewer innings every start before receiving serious consideration. Consistency.

 

Yeah, of all the reasons not to have Gibson in Minnesota already, "consistency" is about the lamest excuse one could dream up.

[Danchat]

I was at the game for Gibson's start today. I will write a bit about it soon, but color me impressed. There is no reason for him not to be with the Twins tomorrow... Colabello played RF today btw

Well said. There is also no reason for Pedro Hernandez to be on the team either. He should be in AAA. Gibson is running out of innings, and we must see him in the "roto" soon.

[Brodin4Calder]

Well said. There is also no reason for Pedro Hernandez to be on the team either. He should be in AAA. Gibson is running out of innings, and we must see him in the "roto" soon.

 

Why not let him get as many innings in the bigs this year as possible? I mean its not like we are trying to make the playoffs or win a WS this year. Hes ready so theres no reason to not bring him up.