Game Thread: Twins @ Marlins, 4/5/23 @ 12:10 CT

[chpettit19]

11 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

The ‘bad’ pitch was to the weak hitting De La Cruz to put us behind.

The pitch that put the game out of reach to Soler was a pitch that never should have been thrown…and for which Rocco or Thielbar should be held accountable…or both.

What does "held accountable" look like after 6 games? 

[Craig Arko]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

What does "held accountable" look like after 6 games? 

Hanging’s too good for ‘em.

[jkcarew]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

I'd have been fine with Duran starting the 8th.  But He wasn't going to be warmed as a third reliever. And I'm fine with that. 

 

So…Thielbar who just gave up an rbi hit to a weak hitting righty…he then intentionally walks Soler (beyond obvious)…next guy is a righty and their 3 hitter… you can replace Thielbar…..no you HAVE to replace Thielbar. With two days off on the horizon, still a chance to win…and not having pitched in 6 days….I bring in my best righty every. single. time. And if not then Lopez. He at the very least had to have had Lopez warming to pitch to the guy behind Soler with the bases loaded, down by one.

[chpettit19]

1 minute ago, jkcarew said:

So…Thielbar who just gave up an rbi hit to a weak hitting righty…he then intentionally walks Soler (beyond obvious)…next guy is a righty and their 3 hitter… you can replace Thielbar…..no you HAVE to replace Thielbar. With two days off on the horizon, still a chance to win…and not having pitched in 6 days….I bring in my best righty every. single. time. And if not then Lopez. He at the very least had to have had Lopez warming to pitch to the guy behind Soler with the bases loaded, down by one.

What 2 days off? You're bringing in 3 relievers in 1 inning because there's an off day in 12 days? Not following that logic.

[jkcarew]

2 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

What does "held accountable" look like after 6 games? 

Admit they made a mistake. Simple as that. There’s the opposition beating you. And then there’s doing something totally unnecessary that takes the team out of a ballgame. (Yeah…I’m not talking about firing or cutting anyone.) It’s just called every day accountability…some might call it leadership.

[ashbury]

4 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Hanging’s too good for ‘em.

I say we stomp 'em!  Then we tattoo 'em.  Then we hang 'em!  And then we kill 'em!

[chpettit19]

Just now, jkcarew said:

Admit they made a mistake. Simple as that. There’s the opposition beating you. And then there’s doing something totally unnecessary that takes the team out of a ballgame. (Yeah…I’m not talking about firing or cutting anyone.) It’s just called every day accountability…some might call it leadership.

So you want Rocco to come out and say "I shouldn't have trusted my reliever in game 6 of the season to get a high strikeout hitter out and instead should've loaded the bases to face the other team's 3 hole hitter?" That's the "leadership" this team needs to lead them to the promised land? He wasn't facing prime Albert Pujols. He trusted his guy to get an out. It's game 6. Holy smokes. Let's have a little perspective.

[jkcarew]

4 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

What 2 days off? You're bringing in 3 relievers in 1 inning because there's an off day in 12 days? Not following that logic.

We’re both wrong…it’s only one off day. Tomorrow is an off day.

Why I had 2, don’t know….but the argument stays the same…it has to be AT LEAST Lopez pitching to a righty with the bases loaded and 2 out.

[chpettit19]

Just now, jkcarew said:

We’re both wrong…it’s only one off day. Tomorrow is an off day.

Why I had 2, don’t know….but the argument stays the same…it has to be AT LEAST Lopez pitching to a righty with the bases loaded and 2 out.

I'm not wrong at all. I asked you what 2 days you were talking about. The 2nd off day is in 12 days. Thus my questioning of 2 off days "on the horizon."

If they're bringing in 3 relievers in 1 inning in game 6 let's just pack it all up and go home. It's game 6! Thielbar is going to have to get righties out with guys on 2nd and 3rd at some point. This wasn't the World Series. 

[jkcarew]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

So you want Rocco to come out and say "I shouldn't have trusted my reliever in game 6 of the season to get a high strikeout hitter out and instead should've loaded the bases to face the other team's 3 hole hitter?" That's the "leadership" this team needs to lead them to the promised land? He wasn't facing prime Albert Pujols. He trusted his guy to get an out. It's game 6. Holy smokes. Let's have a little perspective.

No, they very well could have lost the game anyway. And it’s only game six. What I want, is for the manager to do the right thing in these situations…it makes me feel better about the long term prospects. And game 6 is not too early to simply do the right thing. That’s it.

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

No, they very well could have lost the game anyway. And it’s only game six. What I want, is for the manager to do the right thing in these situations…it makes me feel better about the long term prospects. And game 6 is not too early to simply do the right thing. That’s it.

They have 11 straight games "on the horizon." Using 3 relievers an inning isn't "the right thing." You're asking him to manage like it's game 7 of the World Series. Did you not watch what happened last year when they blew through relievers at a crazy rate? It is absolutely not "the right thing" for Rocco to be using relievers that way over the course of the entire season. Again, perspective. It's game 6. And that changes what "the right thing" is.

[jkcarew]

Just now, chpettit19 said:

They have 11 straight games "on the horizon." Using 3 relievers an inning isn't "the right thing." You're asking him to manage like it's game 7 of the World Series. Did you not watch what happened last year when they blew threw relievers at a crazy rate? It is absolutely not "the right thing" for Rocco to be using relievers that way over the course of the entire season. Again, perspective. It's game 6. And that changes what "the right thing" is.

Is there a rule against using 3 pitchers in an inning? Where either Lopez or Duran taxed from recent workload? Is tomorrow an off day? Doesn’t matter what game of the year it is. What matters is the situation.

Look, I think this is where Rocco needs to get way better. So, I expressed my opinion, that’s what we do. You can disagree…there are other ways of looking at it…Rocco must have saw it your way, and I’m sure many others do as well.

[Craig Arko]

“Dear fans: I’m sorry my foresight is not as good as your hindsight. Mea culpa.” - Love, Rocco.

[jkcarew]

48 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

I'd have been fine with Duran starting the 8th.  But He wasn't going to be warmed as a third reliever. And I'm fine with that. 

 

I was thinking we had two consecutive days off with the push-back on the home opener. It’s only one. My bad, though I still say you walk Soler and bring in a righty.

[jkcarew]

4 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

“Dear fans: I’m sorry my foresight is not as good as your hindsight. Mea culpa.” - Love, Rocco.

There is no hindsight on not walking Soler. None.

[ashbury]

19 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

There is no hindsight on not walking Soler. None.

Okay, you were probably yelling at the TV screen to walk Soler.  But you probably were yelling to not put Pagan into the previous game (as was I), and he managed to put up a couple of scoreless innings. Do we hold Rocco accountable when a move works out?

It may not be hindsight, but feels selective.

[chpettit19]

23 minutes ago, jkcarew said:

There is no hindsight on not walking Soler. None.

Garret Cooper is a better hitter than Soler. Both of them have awfully neutral splits against lefties and righties. Feels like there should've been at least a little question about loading the bases to face the better hitter who has a 20 point difference in his OPS vs righties and lefties. 

[sampleSizeOfOne]

Sigh, apparently now we're only tied for first place...

 

Which could change as Cleveland currently is leading in extra inning.

[stringer bell]

2 hours ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

The move I didn't understand at all is bringing in Thielbar to begin with.....isn't this the spot/reason we trade for Jorge Lopez???

You knew if anyone got on you were going to have Thielbar facing Solar which is a bad matchup.  

Thielbar has been effective against both L & R. The supposed key hitter there was Arraez, who he dispatched quite easily. The next guy (De La Cruz) wasn’t in the starting lineup, but he got a big two-out hit. Soler finished it off with the big homer  Soler is a big strikeout guy, but he’s got big power. He beat Thielbar this time. It happens. 

[stringer bell]

After yielding the lead, Soler was the most direct way out of the inning. It didn't work out, but it wasn't a total gaffe.

[sampleSizeOfOne]

Walp. 2nd place.

[killebrewlover]

And just when you thought the Twins had solved many of their problems in the off-season, the series against the Marlins illustrates so vividly... they haven't.  Bullpen can't carry the team when the offense isn't scoring.  Offense can't score enough runs in the close games.  Sound familiar?  And so it begins...