Who's your SS now that Correa is a Giant?

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, Malachi said:

Well I say we use farmer until royce comes back. Easy on the wallet. Then we go big ticket trade for starting pitching such as: 

Signing Rodon

Trading Luis and Max to atlanta for fried 

Comment on other ideas please 

Why is Atlanta trading Fried?

[bloggymcbloggerson]

1 hour ago, Minny505 said:

Some SS platoon trades might be available. Crawford from the Giants, Guillorme from the Mets, or Strott from the Phillies. Any of those platoons would project as a 2.5-3 WAR position.

Mateo on the Orioles is intriguing as well as they likely want to move Gunnar to SS.

I'm sure there are others that are an upgrade in some way to the position.

Any of these guys, if available, can likely be had at a decent exchange rate as well.

Guillorme would be my top target. A solid 28 year old SS that is clearly redundant on their roster except as insurance. He isn't likely to get many PAs and they could use both OF and pitching depth. A simple 1-for-1 swap of Kepler or Canterino might get it done.

 

 

i just don't see the giants moving crawford. that's a loyalty organization. cain. posey. belt (until now). etc. sounds like he might play third

[bloggymcbloggerson]

20 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why is Atlanta trading Fried?

and why would they want arraez (albies and olson play his positions) or kepler (acuna-harris-ozuna)

[Mike Sixel]

Farmer, then Lewis or Lee. Why trade for Crawford if you hope he only plays half a year? Give up a prospect for that? Why?

[USAFChief]

34 minutes ago, Malachi said:

 

Trading Luis and Max to atlanta for fried 

 

Might have to throw in Duensing to get the deal done.

[bloggymcbloggerson]

4 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Might have to throw in Duensing to get the deal done.

guerrier 

[nicksaviking]

16 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Farmer, then Lewis or Lee. Why trade for Crawford if you hope he only plays half a year? Give up a prospect for that? Why?

Yeah, I keep hearing these shortstop ideas, check their stats against Kyle Farmer's and wonder why we'd want to downgrade.

That was NOT a Kyle Farmer endorsement.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, I keep hearing these shortstop ideas, check their stats against Kyle Farmer's and wonder why we'd want to downgrade.

That was NOT a Kyle Farmer endorsement.

Right. It's not like I want Farmer to be the starting SS. But most of the option are about the same, and you f'n want Lewis there by July. Why give up players? Now, if you want to sign a FA SS (is there one), fine (not Swanson, he's just not that great or ATL would keep him).

[USAFChief]

45 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, I keep hearing these shortstop ideas, check their stats against Kyle Farmer's and wonder why we'd want to downgrade.

That was NOT a Kyle Farmer endorsement.

Who was that old curmudgeon who told you Farmer wasn't a "backup" when the trade was announced?

[Mike Sixel]

22 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Who was that old curmudgeon who told you Farmer wasn't a "backup" when the trade was announced?

Is this a trick question?

[Malachi]

2 hours ago, bloggymcbloggerson said:

and why would they want arraez (albies and olson play his positions) or kepler (acuna-harris-ozuna)

yeah, forgot about that

[Mike Sixel]

I offer Polanco at short.....when Farmer isn't there. Arraez or Gordon at 2B when that happens. Again, I'm placeholding for Lewis at this point. 

I am warming, slightly, to Swanson at this point. But I still don't know I do it.

[howeda7]

I know I'm alone on this, but I still think Kiriloff at 1B, Arreaz at 2B, Polanco at SS and Miranda at 3B is the best for a line-up that doesn't suck. Sure it's not great defensively, but I'm not sure there's an alignment that is. This is also why trading Urshela for no reason was idiotic.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, howeda7 said:

I know I'm alone on this, but I still think Kiriloff at 1B, Arreaz at 2B, Polanco at SS and Miranda at 3B is the best for a line-up that doesn't suck. Sure it's not great defensively, but I'm not sure there's an alignment that is.

We just cross posted that Polanco should get time at SS.....

[Malachi]

51 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I offer Polanco at short.....when Farmer isn't there. Arraez or Gordon at 2B when that happens. Again, I'm placeholding for Lewis at this point. 

I am warming, slightly, to Swanson at this point. But I still don't know I do it.

I mean, we are all assuming Lewis comes back good. 

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, Malachi said:

I mean, we are all assuming Lewis comes back good. 

If I'm not signing CC or Swanson, that's the best plan. Imo

[Malachi]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

If I'm not signing CC or Swanson, that's the best plan. Imo

Yeah, like who else could we get?

[Twinky]

On 12/14/2022 at 7:17 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

I just don't want Swanson at the money he's going to get.

Maybe try to trade with the Padres or Giants?

Mostly I'm frustrated. This front office is going to spend the next month finding less-optimal ways to spend a bunch of money and I'm just tired of it. They'll pivot and find a guy who fills a hole that didn't necessarily *need* to be filled. They'll spend the money but it will be over far fewer years than Correa and they'll pat themselves on the back for "keeping their options open".

With the Padres signing Boegarts to a big deal, they might free themselves of the elephant in the room, Tatis Jr. Injury prone, positionless in San Diego, and a PED user. They would probably eat a lot of that contract to move him.

[Twinky]

3 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Right. It's not like I want Farmer to be the starting SS. But most of the option are about the same, and you f'n want Lewis there by July. Why give up players? Now, if you want to sign a FA SS (is there one), fine (not Swanson, he's just not that great or ATL would keep him).

If being great was the litmus test for keeping a player, why did Correa not get signed again???

[Twinky]

Problem is the front office whiffed on SS picks between Lewis and Lee. 2019 they went for Cavaco, an unproven high school project with zero experience against elite competition who is still in low A ball, and the Phillies with the very next pick get Bryson Stott out of UNLV who fast-tracked to the Bigs and put up adequate numbers in 127 games for a first-year guy, not to mention he can actually field the baseball. Shewmake out of Texas A&M is up in AAA for Atlanta and is solid. There were other options in 2019 that they just didn’t take.

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

30 minutes ago, Twinky said:

With the Padres signing Boegarts to a big deal, they might free themselves of the elephant in the room, Tatis Jr. Injury prone, positionless in San Diego, and a PED user. They would probably eat a lot of that contract to move him.

I think that's unlikely. I suspect all will be forgiven with Tatis the moment he steps back on the field and starts doing Tatis things.

And I don't see the Padres eating any contract given how they've behaved the past several years.

[Minny505]

5 hours ago, bloggymcbloggerson said:

 

i just don't see the giants moving crawford. that's a loyalty organization. cain. posey. belt (until now). etc. sounds like he might play third

Throw in the fact that he has 10-5 rights and it becomes even less likely. He would make a great platoon partner with Farmer though.

All that said, Guillorme seems like the best fit, is likely available, and wouldn't likely cost much in an exchange. I hope there has been some chatter there.

[Minny505]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Why is Atlanta trading Fried?

And even if they are, why would they trade him for Kepler and Arraez? Fried is a borderline ACE. 

[bloggymcbloggerson]

24 minutes ago, Minny505 said:

Throw in the fact that he has 10-5 rights and it becomes even less likely. He would make a great platoon partner with Farmer though.

All that said, Guillorme seems like the best fit, is likely available, and wouldn't likely cost much in an exchange. I hope there has been some chatter there.

he's played almost no shortstop in the big leagues, though (167.1 of his 1466 defensive innings)

[Minny505]

44 minutes ago, bloggymcbloggerson said:

he's played almost no shortstop in the big leagues, though (167.1 of his 1466 defensive innings)

Correct, but that's due to having good SSs above him. He's held his own in those innings and his scouting report as a prospect in 2019 projected good-to-great SS defense at the big league level. His big concern was his bat.

He can likely handle the position just fine.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Is this a trick question?

Yes

[Riverbrian]

20 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Except there's something really different about those first three situations and those last three situations. I'm sure you can see it.

And my problem is that they only land the last three situations and even then, they still traded out from under Donaldson before the contract is up.

Wheeler was a long shot. No biggie there. But Darvish would have been huge on this team in 2019 and 2020, much less 21-22. But the Twins just wouldn't give that sixth year, which many people complained about and looks pretty foolish now.

This front office fears long-term deals far more than they like good players. I don't agree with that strategy, especially given how their books are nearly spotless right now. 

You have told the story of almost every major league franchise. You can change the names as necessary, cut and paste the rest and get every fan base worked up and agreeing with you. 

The Twins were not the only team who took a shot at an important free agent and came up empty. The Twins are not the only team with a list of them.  

Sometimes disappointment feels like it is only happening to you. This still just feels like the nature of free agency to me. 

 

[Alex s]

I like the kid we got from Cincy, I'd roll with him.  This was their plan all along guys.  They'd have been crazy to think Correa would sign in what we offered...especially after Turner signed.  This is a rebuild being masked as a competitive rebuild because it fills more seats. 3 ifvthe starters have 1 more year.  We NEED to stock our farm system rather than trying to compete in a crappy division only to get swept in round 1.  Trade Gray, Kenta Maeda, and Mahle if he improves his value.  Trade Kepler and Polanco.  Unless those guys are signing extensions we need to get something for then.  Otherwise you gave up Chase Petty, Steer and others for what?