Outside the Box

[cmoss84]

What if the Red Sox have a fire sale? Would you say yes to the following trade?

In: Xander Bogaerts, Christian Vasquez, Jake Diekman

Out: Sano, Royce Lewis, Sabato, Kepler, Canterino

Xander plays wherever. One of the best, pure hitters in the game. We roll with Carlos and Xander for 60 games, then both are gone. Expensive trade, but not mortgaging the future. Diekman around for 2 more years.

 

 

 

 

[tony&rodney]

DOA. Boston has stated and Bogaerts has confirmed that he will not be traded.

[goulik]

The Twins are hoping to get 2 used tires for their 2013 Prius in a trade for Sano…
2 injured prospects at the bottom of their value and Sano with negative value? Why are these names in trade proposals?

Seriously, we REALLY need a facepalm emoji…

[CRF]

Yeah...that AIN'T happening. 

[cmoss84]

Just an FYI...the Red Sox are a .500 baseball team and not exactly trending upward. They are in last place in the AL East. If they have a bad weekend before the deadline...they will be trading...even those who say they're not going to be traded (sometimes this happens). 

[cmoss84]

4 hours ago, goulik said:

The Twins are hoping to get 2 used tires for their 2013 Prius in a trade for Sano…
2 injured prospects at the bottom of their value and Sano with negative value? Why are these names in trade proposals?

Seriously, we REALLY need a facepalm emoji…

Royce Lewis was meant to match up with Xander in this hypothetical. The rest were supposed to match up with Vasquez and Diekman. Do you have any predictions on what those two would fetch in a trade? I get your point with Sano...was just meant to be a fun addition for Boston to hit over the green monster the rest of the season, but not likely.

[Doctor Gast]

No thank you for anyone from BOS.

[Number3]

Did any of the GMs on this board predict the Correa acquisition? No. Whatever the geniuses that run the Twins do it will not be anything that appears here or anywhere else for that matter.

[goulik]

1 hour ago, cmoss84 said:

Royce Lewis was meant to match up with Xander in this hypothetical. The rest were supposed to match up with Vasquez and Diekman. Do you have any predictions on what those two would fetch in a trade? I get your point with Sano...was just meant to be a fun addition for Boston to hit over the green monster the rest of the season, but not likely.

Sorry for what may have been an over reaction based on too many posts that include injured prospects as key elements for a trade.

If they are on the IL and especially if they are on the 60 day IL, we shouldn’t trade them because either we’re getting dimes for dollars or were breaking rules because they’ll never be back.

Sano has negative value so if someone does take him, we’re paying his contract to get anything back. He doesn’t improve a trade. The only trade that will include him will be for one low minors flier or for cash relief.

As for Lewis, if we trade him some day I sure hope we’re getting more for him than a 2 month rental player

[ashbury]

3 hours ago, goulik said:

Sano has negative value so if someone does take him, we’re paying his contract to get anything back.

And we're paying his contract if we DFA him.  It's a sunk cost, any way you look at it.  (Including if we keep him and he suddenly turns into the player we'd always hoped.)

So, if our preference is to be rid of him, why not pay his remaining salary plus the buyout for next year's option, as part of any proposed trade, and see if that nets us something?  As opposed to releasing him at exactly the same cost?

[goulik]

59 minutes ago, ashbury said:

And we're paying his contract if we DFA him.  It's a sunk cost, any way you look at it.  (Including if we keep him and he suddenly turns into the player we'd always hoped.)

So, if our preference is to be rid of him, why not pay his remaining salary plus the buyout for next year's option, as part of any proposed trade, and see if that nets us something?  As opposed to releasing him at exactly the same cost?

This is exactly my thought...

[cmoss84]

Red Sox about to lose again, which would place them 4.5 games back from the last wildcard. We'll see who they get rid of, but should be interesting. I know in the OP I mentioned Bogaerts...I understand that is a pipe dream. But would obtaining Vasquez (FA after this year) and Diekman (FA after 2023) cost that much? Think these could be 2 valuable pieces for the home stretch... 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

On 7/29/2022 at 4:49 PM, ashbury said:

And we're paying his contract if we DFA him.  It's a sunk cost, any way you look at it.  (Including if we keep him and he suddenly turns into the player we'd always hoped.)

So, if our preference is to be rid of him, why not pay his remaining salary plus the buyout for next year's option, as part of any proposed trade, and see if that nets us something?  As opposed to releasing him at exactly the same cost?

Agreed, something for Sano is better than nothing. Also need to level set on what that something is.

if every team in the league has the same assumption that you do, that Sano will be DFA’d soon, how much is a team willing to give up to be in front of the waiver wire?

my assumption is that it wouldn’t be a big league reliever that improves on the current Twins mess of relievers we all want to see get improved upon.

[USAFChief]

1 hour ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Agreed, something for Sano is better than nothing. Also need to level set on what that something is.

if every team in the league has the same assumption that you do, that Sano will be DFA’d soon, how much is a team willing to give up to be in front of the waiver wire?

my assumption is that it wouldn’t be a big league reliever that improves on the current Twins mess of relievers we all want to see get improved upon.

Agreed. Probably overcome by events with Sano back on IL, but even before I can't imagine anyone trading for him. For one thing he's owed real money.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

24 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Agreed. Probably overcome by events with Sano back on IL, but even before I can't imagine anyone trading for him. For one thing he's owed real money.

I missed that he was put back on the IL. Agreed, no way he gets claimed on waivers either. If I were a rival GM, wait it out and try to sign him to a minor league contract or ML minimum.

[cmoss84]

Welp. Diekman to the White Sox and Vasquez to the Astros. Who needs reliever or catching help? Not us apparently. Let's just sit on our hands. SO frustrating! Do something...anything!