5 months of.... this?

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

having trouble finding the new thread button. Will someone create a JJ Hardy should never have been traded and i miss wilson ramos thread?

[The Greatest Poster Alive]

also, matt capps sucks.

[PseudoSABR]

That is not it at all. A draw-back of less than casual fans is they assume players can be swapped like RBI Baseball trades. I'm certainly not calling anyone out in particular in this thread (dave, i gave you **** about DeRosa because I've given you **** every offseason for the last 4 years). Why it is said that "new" posters are guilty of this is because they haven't spent enough time on forums to know that it takes more than one team needs a pitcher and one needs a hitter so lets swap! Most on here know that.

 

I don't mean to be elitist about this, and am not calling individual posters or threads out. I'm just saying lets collectively bring good ideas and non-redundant topics to discussion. People can post what they want and talk about what they want so it shouldn't make much difference what I want anyway, just sayin.

 

I appreciate the way you feel in regards to what I said, but you didn't post anything that would suggest you felt that way...at least I didn't see it. I quoted PseudoSABR's post to you, because his seemed to suggest that new people here don't know baseball when they get here and therefore aren't intellectual to understand the nuances of the game on and off the field. Some others seemed to agree.

 

While I can certainly appreciate the fact that most of you seasoned posters on this site have gotten comfortable with each other's level of knowledge of the game, I'm not sure new people coming in can't be right there as well.

 

I may have misunderstood his post, but it doesn't seem that way...and that kind of thinking can turn new people off.

I meant people new to talking about baseball. That might not be you. But plenty of knowledgeable people can be horrible people to interact with on a message board. I think that if you want people to take you seriously its important to phrase good ideas in a way that elicit discussion and also show some thoughtful restraint. But that's just my two cents.

 

And again, just because someone is new to the site a) doesn't mean they don't know about baseball and that they don't know how to talk about baseball.

[beckmt]

That is not it at all. A draw-back of less than casual fans is they assume players can be swapped like RBI Baseball trades. I'm certainly not calling anyone out in particular in this thread (dave, i gave you **** about DeRosa because I've given you **** every offseason for the last 4 years). Why it is said that "new" posters are guilty of this is because they haven't spent enough time on forums to know that it takes more than one team needs a pitcher and one needs a hitter so lets swap! Most on here know that.

 

I don't mean to be elitist about this, and am not calling individual posters or threads out. I'm just saying lets collectively bring good ideas and non-redundant topics to discussion. People can post what they want and talk about what they want so it shouldn't make much difference what I want anyway, just sayin.

 

I appreciate the way you feel in regards to what I said, but you didn't post anything that would suggest you felt that way...at least I didn't see it. I quoted PseudoSABR's post to you, because his seemed to suggest that new people here don't know baseball when they get here and therefore aren't intellectual to understand the nuances of the game on and off the field. Some others seemed to agree.

 

While I can certainly appreciate the fact that most of you seasoned posters on this site have gotten comfortable with each other's level of knowledge of the game, I'm not sure new people coming in can't be right there as well.

 

I may have misunderstood his post, but it doesn't seem that way...and that kind of thinking can turn new people off.

I meant people new to talking about baseball. That might not be you. But plenty of knowledgeable people can be horrible people to interact with on a message board. I think that if you want people to take you seriously its important to phrase good ideas in a way that elicit discussion and also show some thoughtful restraint. But that's just my two cents.

 

And again, just because someone is new to the site a) doesn't mean they don't know about baseball and that they don't know how to talk about baseball.

 

I do think some teams decisions or lack thereof can be interesting. Seeing the same trade talk all the time is not. I certainly am not the most knowledgable on the subjects, but try to understand what teams are looking for and what they need.

There are still new interesting issues all the time which can affect the Twins. Example Jim Bowden was on ESPN radio when I was coming home after 6 tonight and claimed the Yankees absolutly had to cut ties with A-Rod, whether or not they got salary relief as the only item by trading him. Twins couldn't use him, but it would set a chain reaction of moving pieces(or is he done)?

[one_eyed_jack]

also, matt capps sucks.

 

---OK but first, we should have another thread full of racially-tinged diatribes about Nishioka.

[ashbury]

JJ Hardy should never have been traded and i miss wilson ramos

 

This.

[DaveW]

One suggestion:

 

Why not have people start blogging about other Minnesota professional sports?

 

There aren't many good places to discuss the Vikings on the web, Purplepride is decent but the forum is slow, Rubechat is a cesspool, I bet if we got two-three people writing about the Vikings that could become very interesting, ditto with Wild Hockey and the T-Wolves.

[IdahoPilgrim]

 

In the Division Series, I was cheering for Cincinnati, Oakland, Baltimore, and Washington. It was a pretty awful baseball week for me.

 

You gotta admit, though, it was fun to watch, even if your favorite teams lost. Taken together, with all of them going 5 games and given the (one-time) format change, this was the most interesting round of divisional series I've seen in recent years.

[Brock Beauchamp]

One suggestion:

 

Why not have people start blogging about other Minnesota professional sports?

 

There aren't many good places to discuss the Vikings on the web, Purplepride is decent but the forum is slow, Rubechat is a cesspool, I bet if we got two-three people writing about the Vikings that could become very interesting, ditto with Wild Hockey and the T-Wolves.

 

Want to sell me your Christian Ponder fan blog?

[TheLeviathan]

Want to sell me your Christian Ponder fan blog?

 

Well, if we let him do that, it would make the rest of the articles look like award-winning stuff.

[Guest USAFChief]

 

In the Division Series, I was cheering for Cincinnati, Oakland, Baltimore, and Washington. It was a pretty awful baseball week for me.

 

You gotta admit, though, it was fun to watch, even if your favorite teams lost. Taken together, with all of them going 5 games and given the (one-time) format change, this was the most interesting round of divisional series I've seen in recent years.

 

I think there were ?6? "game 7's" in the first two rounds? Gotta tip your hat to Selig and the new one game "play-in" for the WC's, IMO.

 

Not to mention, even if your teams lost prior to the LCS's, it was exquisite to see the Yankees get bounced in four.

[Twins GFP]

Smerf, I'm right there with you, but it's important to recognize this is TD's first full-fledged offseason. Inexperienced posters are going to be trigger happy; let's face it, many of us have been spoiled by the intellectual etiquette of some Twins fans over the last decade. If intelligent people keep posting (and even taking initiative), the rest will catch on.

 

Is the assumption that new people here don't know baseball when they get here and therefore aren't intellectual enough at the beginning? If I'm misunderstanding your post, and some other's posts saying things along those same lines, please let me know. Cause some of us were just posting elsewhere for many years and heard about this great place and came over.

 

That is not it at all. A draw-back of less than casual fans is they assume players can be swapped like RBI Baseball trades. I'm certainly not calling anyone out in particular in this thread (dave, i gave you **** about DeRosa because I've given you **** every offseason for the last 4 years). Why it is said that "new" posters are guilty of this is because they haven't spent enough time on forums to know that it takes more than one team needs a pitcher and one needs a hitter so lets swap! Most on here know that.

 

I don't mean to be elitist about this, and am not calling individual posters or threads out. I'm just saying lets collectively bring good ideas and non-redundant topics to discussion. People can post what they want and talk about what they want so it shouldn't make much difference what I want anyway, just sayin.

 

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

[johnnydakota]

Smerf, I'm right there with you, but it's important to recognize this is TD's first full-fledged offseason. Inexperienced posters are going to be trigger happy; let's face it, many of us have been spoiled by the intellectual etiquette of some Twins fans over the last decade. If intelligent people keep posting (and even taking initiative), the rest will catch on.

 

Is the assumption that new people here don't know baseball when they get here and therefore aren't intellectual enough at the beginning? If I'm misunderstanding your post, and some other's posts saying things along those same lines, please let me know. Cause some of us were just posting elsewhere for many years and heard about this great place and came over.

 

That is not it at all. A draw-back of less than casual fans is they assume players can be swapped like RBI Baseball trades. I'm certainly not calling anyone out in particular in this thread (dave, i gave you **** about DeRosa because I've given you **** every offseason for the last 4 years). Why it is said that "new" posters are guilty of this is because they haven't spent enough time on forums to know that it takes more than one team needs a pitcher and one needs a hitter so lets swap! Most on here know that.

 

I don't mean to be elitist about this, and am not calling individual posters or threads out. I'm just saying lets collectively bring good ideas and non-redundant topics to discussion. People can post what they want and talk about what they want so it shouldn't make much difference what I want anyway, just sayin.

 

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

 

why do i think most of you got beat everyday in high school and had your lunch money stolen?

[Guest USAFChief]

why do i think most of you got beat everyday in high school and had your lunch money stolen?

 

Why do I think you had trouble completing high school?

[old nurse]

why do i think most of you got beat everyday in high school and had your lunch money stolen?

 

Why do I think you had trouble completing high school?

 

USAFChief has a good memory for past postings.

[Badsmerf]

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

I'm working on that. Its just hard being better than everybody else..

[DaveW]

Want to sell me your Christian Ponder fan blog?

 

Well, if we let him do that, it would make the rest of the articles look like award-winning stuff.

 

Haha this is true, but to be fair I have never claimed to be a writer nor have desired to ever write a blog, I have the spelling/grammar skills of a 10 year old.

[snepp]

USAFChief has a good memory for past postings.

 

He's a damned elephant.

[TheLeviathan]

Haha this is true, but to be fair I have never claimed to be a writer nor have desired to ever write a blog, I have the spelling/grammar skills of a 10 year old.

 

Was razzing ya more about the homerism.

[PseudoSABR]

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

You might have a point if such considerations were baseless. Elitism isn't a bad thing when it asks people to better articulate their point of view and be more considerate about what they share with others. Asking people to be thoughtful doesn't exclude them, and if your ideas are well-thought out and you convey them convincingly, everyone here will like you.

 

Honestly, no one wants to get into a discussion about how reckless and fuzzy abstract standards can be. Let's just table that, and be smart about baseball.

[jctwins]

I enjoyed this thread. Especially the memories it brought back about BYTO. After about three years there I finally started getting responses to some of my posts. I guess that's probably why it didn't last, but thinking about it makes me laugh.

 

Off to start a pursue A Rod thread. Or was that Dave that started that one here?

[DaveW]

Haha this is true, but to be fair I have never claimed to be a writer nor have desired to ever write a blog, I have the spelling/grammar skills of a 10 year old.

 

Was razzing ya more about the homerism.

 

5-2 baby!!!

[Twins GFP]

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

You might have a point if such considerations were baseless. Elitism isn't a bad thing when it asks people to better articulate their point of view and be more considerate about what they share with others. Asking people to be thoughtful doesn't exclude them, and if your ideas are well-thought out and you convey them convincingly, everyone here will like you.

 

Honestly, no one wants to get into a discussion about how reckless and fuzzy abstract standards can be. Let's just table that, and be smart about baseball.

 

Not baseless. The gist of this thread is saying that people who can't write articles to the "accepted" levels of a select few should not be posting anything. I wholeheartedly disagree. This site should be welcoming to all levels of Twins fans. Those that have their head buried under 4 feet of saber metrics all the way to the occasional game watcher. There is enough room for all. Some people can't do a better job of articulating point, which may be why they are starting a thread in the first place. Some people may just want to discuss and learn in the process. Some people rabble-rouse (you know who you are). You shouldn't be required to have a 5 paragraph, thoroughly researched point to post an article.

 

When you say that somebody can't bring their point to the table because it doesn't meet your level of expectation to begin with is elitist and it is not good.

[old nurse]

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

I'm working on that. Its just hard being better than everybody else..

 

If you do not like threads of get a great player for two tin cans or free agent sigings here that are not realistic, and by your last thread comment think you are reasonably intelligent I offer you this challenge. Start a thread of something other than whinning about others.

[PseudoSABR]

Like it or not, this whole thread reeks of elitism. A discussion only about what you consider to be worth posting and how it should be delivered? Not elitist? Really?

You might have a point if such considerations were baseless. Elitism isn't a bad thing when it asks people to better articulate their point of view and be more considerate about what they share with others. Asking people to be thoughtful doesn't exclude them, and if your ideas are well-thought out and you convey them convincingly, everyone here will like you.

 

Honestly, no one wants to get into a discussion about how reckless and fuzzy abstract standards can be. Let's just table that, and be smart about baseball.

 

Not baseless. The gist of this thread is saying that people who can't write articles to the "accepted" levels of a select few should not be posting anything. I wholeheartedly disagree. This site should be welcoming to all levels of Twins fans. Those that have their head buried under 4 feet of saber metrics all the way to the occasional game watcher. There is enough room for all. Some people can't do a better job of articulating point, which may be why they are starting a thread in the first place. Some people may just want to discuss and learn in the process. Some people rabble-rouse (you know who you are). You shouldn't be required to have a 5 paragraph, thoroughly researched point to post an article.

 

When you say that somebody can't bring their point to the table because it doesn't meet your level of expectation to begin with is elitist and it is not good.

Your reading of the "gist" is just flat wrong.

 

No one's asking for rigor or research (though it would be nice); simply be thoughtful and considerate. That's not exclusionary elitism. (And there's some irony about a poster named "Fire Dan Gladden" coming to defense of the common man. "Room for all." Give me a break.)

[Twins GFP]

The gist is right. This thread started as a complaint about what a select few did not want to see.

 

There is nothing ironic about the moniker. Actually, for the purpose of this discussion, it proves my point even more. I do believe Dan Gladden needs to be fired. I believe he is a terrible radio announcer that the Twins need to let go immediately. I don't need to write an in-depth article giving multiple examples why, I can just say it and be done. If you want some some imaginary level of journalism met by the writers and posters, go somewhere else.

[twinsnorth49]

Here's some irony, for all the talk of being thoughtful, considerate, insightful, articulate, etc...none of this qualifies as any of those things.

 

Back to baseball, Game 7! Cards- Giants, man Vogelsong was lights out last night! Would dearly love to see a Twins pitcher turn in that kind of performance someday soon.

[Bojangles]

What would it take to get Mike Trout? Would Joe Benson and Kyle Gibson tickle the Angels' fancy?

[DaveW]

What would it take to get Mike Trout? Would Joe Benson and Kyle Gibson tickle the Angels' fancy?

 

I think we would have to include another top prospect, like Swarzak.

[ThePuck]

What would it take to get Mike Trout?

 

Our whole farm system, Willingham, Span, and future considerations...