Cleveland Discussion/ScoreWatching Thread

[John Kelsey]

With the division race heating up and the Indians being a common topic of conversation around here it seemed like it might be useful to have a thread to discuss their games, injuries, roster moves etc. Especially on nights like tonight when they are playing and we aren't and we don't have a game thread. 

 

For example, the Mets currently lead 2-0 and Syndergaard has a perfect game going. Would be quite the sweep. 

[ashbury]

For example, the Mets currently lead 2-0 and Syndergaard has a perfect game going.

In the spirit of Game Threads - do we need to have a little discussion about jinxes? (Bloop single spoiled the no-no a moment ago.)

 

/ edit - and now rain-delay in the bottom of the 6th

[John Kelsey]

I'm not a big believer in Plutko or Plesac but I'm starting to worry this Civale guy might actually be good. 

[AlwaysinModeration]

How long before they call this game?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Thanks for starting this thread!

 

I was collecting Cleveland’s failed sacrifice bunts for a while, but stopped, because it just seemed... weird. They had three in the series finale against the Twins on Aug. 11 (Cleveland won). But their sac bunts since then have failed to pay off. Either because they failed to advance the runner, or the runner didn’t scor— wait, why I am talking about this again?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

How long before they call this game?

Umpires resume the game, around 10:00 or 10:15 PM.

 

The score is 2-0 Mets, after six.

[John Kelsey]

[USAFChief]

And...rain delay 2, bottom 8, Mets 1st and 3rd no out.

[John Kelsey]

They called it, Mets win. 

[Monkeypaws]

 

I'm not a big believer in Plutko or Plesac but I'm starting to worry this Civale guy might actually be good. 

Watched him pitch at Target Field in the spectacular extra-inning loss. He is good. Held the Twins at bay and is sporting a pretty gaudy ERA

[bighat]

A sigh of relief from Twins Territory this morning. Nice little sweep by the Mets - they've been crushing the teams atop the AL Central this year!

[Mike Sixel]

Cleveland is a good baseball team. I'd put them with the Twins in the second tier this year. I feel a lot better about their starting pitching next year, so I hope the Twins take advantage this year.

[Diesel]

Jose Ramirez out for potentially the rest of the season..... huge blow for the Indians (hamate bone injury)

[USAFChief]

Jose Ramirez out for potentially the rest of the season..... huge blow for the Indians (hamate bone injury)

MLB.com confirms fractured hamate. Out until spring training.

[Mike Sixel]

I hate it when people get hurt. Bummer. Real bummer.

[Squirrel]

Woohoo ... Royals win! 9-8 in 10 over Cleveland.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

MLB.com confirms fractured hamate. Out until spring training.

Interesting, I haven't seen a specific timetable yet anywhere.

 

Victor Caratini of the Cubs had the same surgery on April 15th this year, and started a rehab assignment on May 6th -- so he was only on the shelf for 3 weeks. Of course, that was called an "incredible" recovery:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cubs/2019/5/7/18619009/cubs-catcher-victor-caratini-s-incredible-recovery-from-hand-surgery

 

Allegedly Delino DeShields had a 3 week recovery last year too:

https://www.mlb.com/news/jose-ramirez-surgery-for-fractured-hamate-bone

 

But Joey Gallo had the same surgery on July 25th and is still out, 32 days later, still reporting "some soreness" when swinging a bat (of course, the Rangers are out of the race at this point, with little incentive to rush him back either):

https://www.mlb.com/rangers/news/jesse-chavez-hunter-pence-joey-gallo-injury-updates

[Otto von Ballpark]

Ramirez update:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/indians-place-jose-ramirez-on-10-day-injured-list.html

 

"Ramirez is expected to miss five to seven weeks recovering from the surgery, the Indians announced. That almost certainly puts an end to Ramirez’s regular season while still leaving open the possibility of a postseason return, should the Indians qualify."

[Squirrel]

While the Twins game is about to get underway in Detroit, the Cleveland game is about to get underway in Tampa ... go Rays!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Tyler Naquin out for season.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2019/08/cleveland-indians-lose-outfielder-tyler-naquin-for-season-with-torn-acl-in-right-knee.html

 

Hurt his knee crashing into left field fence making a catch. Very unfortunate.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Bradley Zimmer is now on a rehab assignment for the Tribe and will probably be back on the field, when they play the Twins again next weekend.

 

He’s been out all season with shoulder issues but is probably their best defensive outfielder.

[Squirrel]

 

Tyler Naquin out for season.

https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2019/08/cleveland-indians-lose-outfielder-tyler-naquin-for-season-with-torn-acl-in-right-knee.html

Hurt his knee crashing into left field fence making a catch. Very unfortunate.

Geez, if only these players weren't so willfully and intentionally reckless.

[Squirrel]

Go Tampa! 5-2 in the 6th.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Cleveland blows a late lead, loses.

 

The story to me is who was pitching for Cleveland—Carlos Carrasco. When the Twins traded for Sam Dyson, we questioned how Dyson was brought in to pitch right after stepping off the plane. There was risk of course, but the potential reward was that he would be thrown in the fire and come out looking ready for the big time.

 

This Cleveland situation last night seems completely different. Asking Carrasco, just back from sick leave, to protect a three-run lead against the White Sox heart of the order. Sure if Carrasco retires the side, it looks good. But the risk is it looks terrible if things go wrong. “Guy with leukemia loses game for his team.” I’m surprised Francona and the front office didn’t plot this out better.

 

Anyway. My two cents.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

This Cleveland situation last night seems completely different. Asking Carrasco, just back from sick leave, to protect a three-run lead against the White Sox heart of the order. Sure if Carrasco retires the side, it looks good. But the risk is it looks terrible if things go wrong. “Guy with leukemia loses game for his team.” I’m surprised Francona and the front office didn’t plot this out better.

Carrasco already pitched since he came off the IL -- Sunday at Tampa, he faced the top of the Rays lineup for an inning (albeit when trailing by 3 runs, instead of up 3).

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Carrasco already pitched since he came off the IL -- Sunday at Tampa, he faced the top of the Rays lineup for an inning (albeit when trailing by 3 runs, instead of up 3).

Right. I saw that he had that one prior appearance; that’s probably the type of low leverage situation Cleveland wishes they had stuck with.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Cleveland begins a 3 game series with the Angels tonight -- just as Trout is out for a few days:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/mike-trout-day-to-day-after-foot-procedure.html

[USAFChief]

Cleveland beat the Angels. 5 game lead.

[ashbury]

Cleveland beat the Angels. 5 game lead.

Liked, for the heads-up on the status. Not for the outcome.

[USAFChief]

Lead down to 4. Francona uses 3 pitchers to face four hitters in the 9th, Cleveland wins 4-3. Lindor hits a 2 run HR, despite near exhaustion from never getting rested.