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Reds Claim Kennys Vargas off Waivers

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And Votto could get hurt. 

 

Vargas was released by the Twins. If he was going to be picked up... it was probably going to be a back up role. 

I was trying find his PH numbers on BaseballReference, but couldn't find an obvious answer. I seem to remember some PH thunder as a Twin - would like to see the numbers.

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I really hate the waiver system. Vargas is a terrible fit for the Reds. He'd be better off in Rochester because if he gets the call to Minnesota, at least he'd get playing time.

 

I really wanted to see him land somewhere he'd get a real shot at playing multiple times a week.

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I really hate the waiver system. Vargas is a terrible fit for the Reds. He'd be better off in Rochester because if he gets the call to Minnesota, at least he'd get playing time.

So he'd be better off if he was off of the 25/40 man rosters, in the minor leagues, with lower pay and benefits, with no incentive for the Twins to add him back to the roster quickly, and no chance to hit waivers again until the Twins add him back?

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I doubt he's long for Cincinnati. What's the next stop on the waiver-wire carousel? Toronto? They've got a history of this sort of thing don't they?

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Note that the Reds carried 3 catchers for much of last season, including Stuart Turner for 89 PA spread over 5 months. They could perhaps be considering a pinch hitter in that role instead.

 

Or, they could just be looking for a AAA first baseman. Those players generally aren't hard to find in free agency, but it's probably harder to convince the good ones to join the Cincinnati org and be stuck behind Votto.

 

That said, they can't send Vargas to AAA without him clearing waivers first. So he would soon be freely available to other clubs again, and there are apparently 24 other teams who still could put in a claim for him.

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So he'd be better off if he was off of the 25/40 man rosters, in the minor leagues, with lower pay and benefits, with no incentive for the Twins to add him back to the roster quickly, and no chance to hit waivers again until the Twins add him back?

Not in the long-term, no, but I don't see him sticking with Cincinnati and wasting a bunch of time in the process.

 

I'm not saying he won't LOVE that $500k but, again, I just wish he'd get a legitimate shot at playing on a regular basis.

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That said, they can't send Vargas to AAA without him clearing waivers first. So he would soon be freely available to other clubs again, and there are apparently 24 other teams who still could put in a claim for him.

 

This is the part that seems unfair to the Twins. 

 

Why should the Reds get to stash him at AAA if he clears waivers?

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This is the part that seems unfair to the Twins. 

 

Why should the Reds get to stash him at AAA if he clears waivers?

 

Yes, I've always felt this way about how rosters and waivers work. Related question - is there are rule that once you waive a player you can't select that same player off of waivers for a certain period of time? Let's say both the Twins and Reds really want Vargas in their organization but don't want him on the 25-man, could they just take turns waiving and claiming him over and over again? 

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This is the part that seems unfair to the Twins. 

 

Why should the Reds get to stash him at AAA if he clears waivers?

The Twins have controlled Vargas for 8 and a half years already, during which time they've given him ~2 years of MLB service time.

 

You really think it's unfair to the Twins to not be able to control him for another year in the minors on top of that?

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Related question - is there are rule that once you waive a player you can't select that same player off of waivers for a certain period of time? Let's say both the Twins and Reds really want Vargas in their organization but don't want him on the 25-man, could they just take turns waiving and claiming him over and over again? 

There is no such rule, but it's not exactly practical to do as you describe either. Vargas is out of options, so they'd need a free 40-man AND 25-man roster spot to claim him. So you'd effectively be playing one short at the MLB level to do this sort of thing, which is certainly a greater cost than whatever benefit you hope to derive from Vargas in AAA. Possible in the offseason and spring training, but not so much during the regular season.

 

Adam Rosales, August 2013 is about the most extreme example you will see:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosalad01.shtml

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Yes, I've always felt this way about how rosters and waivers work. Related question - is there are rule that once you waive a player you can't select that same player off of waivers for a certain period of time? Let's say both the Twins and Reds really want Vargas in their organization but don't want him on the 25-man, could they just take turns waiving and claiming him over and over again?

 

Pretty sure there's no rule against that.

 

I think something like that happened in the last few years but don't remember who it was. My mind may be making it up.

 

Maybe it was Rosales I was thinking of, like spycake mentioned. Just saw his post.

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The Twins have controlled Vargas for 8 and a half years already, during which time they've given him ~2 years of MLB service time.

 

You really think it's unfair to the Twins to not be able to control him for another year in the minors on top of that?

 

But the Reds can have him for a week and get to do it?

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But the Reds can have him for a week and get to do it?

Sure. Why not? The Twins have had ample chances with Vargas.

 

If it's unfair to anyone, it's not the Twins -- it's Vargas. And that unfairness predates the waiver claim.

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Kennys was awesome hitting 8th in the order when the Twins have a lead over 4 runs with one out in the inning and a 3-0 count, against a finesse pitcher at night. 

 

When those conditions come together... The Dude was Money!!! 

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Sure. Why not? The Twins have had ample chances with Vargas.

 

If it's unfair to anyone, it's not the Twins -- it's Vargas. And that unfairness predates the waiver claim.

 

We'll just have to completely and utterly disagree. 

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How long do you think the Twins should have exclusive control over Vargas, without being willing to put him on their 25 man MLB roster? 9 and a half years?

 

Teams that originally sign/draft amateur ballplayers already have tremendous power and control over their professional careers. You want to give them more?

 

Keep in mind, the Reds won't get to send Vargas to AAA unless the other 29 teams pass on him in waivers too (including the Twins again). At that point, I don't think there's much of a fair/unfair distinction to be made among teams who are all equally unwilling to keep him on their 25-man MLB rosters. The last team willing to keep him on their 25-man or 40-man roster seems like as good of choice as any. It certainly wouldn't seem fair to Vargas to ship him back to the organization that controlled him for 8.5 years and failed to set him up for a 25-man roster spot anywhere. If anything, perhaps Vargas should get to opt for free agency.

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