40 Man Roster prior to Rule 5 Draft Deadline

[nicksaviking]

 

I would be shocked if the Twins left him unprotected. It'd be terrible to lose a Top 10 prospect for nothing. A team like San Diego should take him and let him get a bit of time and develop him. Guys like him aren't selected in the Rule 5 draft because guys like that get protected. 

 

If I were to guess he's a top 10 prospect perhaps for the writers and perhaps not so much for the guys in charge. In baseball circles it seems 1B has become the lowest priority position recently. Right or wrong, even bullpen arms are more in demand these days. I can't see even a bad team like SD using two of their four bench spots on a backup catcher and a guy who can only play 1B. 

[tvagle]

 

Players added to the 40 man roster right now can't be dropped until spring training. That's why they have to keep a few guys like Boshers on the 40 man roster, and it's also why they may want to leave a couple of spots open. 

 

For example, they can't add Luke Bard tonight and then DFA him next week when they sign Darvish. 

Thanks for the clarification Seth...with this in mind I'll modify the Original Projection as shown below

 

1 open Slot for FA/Rule 5

4 Potential Dropped players for FA (Boshers,Pressly,Grossman,Enns)

 

Exposes some young arms with past health issues to Rule-5 and I'm guessing Enns wins out over Slegers as he was acquired by current FO

 

Would have to add 5 Free Agents before removing Enns from the 40-man

 

 

[tvagle]

If I was going to really go overboard...here's how things will play out before Spring Training

 

Sign Darvish - 40 man now full

Sign Shaw/other favorite RHR - drop Pressly (save arb $$) - 40-man full

Sign McGee/Logan/other favorite LHR - drop Boshers - 40-man full

Sign Ohtani - Minor league contract no 40-man needed...yet (when needed drop Grossman (save arb $$))

 

Wait for Wide Right moment by Kai Forbath in the NFC Championship Game

 

Good thing this topic is only about the 40-man roster

[sthpstm]

 

My proposed 40-man has one open slot and Slegers would be my last man dropped...he does have value and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's on the 40-man at the deadline

 

So who would you remove to make room for him?

Melotakis. I don't think we'll lose him and if we did, I think he's easily replaced by a minor league contract signing.

I also expect some trades from this FO that will include one or two of the AAA starting pitching prospects. I'm not saying they're of tremendous value outside of Gonsalves and may Littell, but I think they could be 2nd or 3rd pieces depending on the deal.

[Doomtints]

People are saying Darvish is the free agency gem this year. I disagree. My prediction is that he will decline as his injuries mount. Whoever gets him will overpay. Darvish seems to top out at 180 innings before body parts start falling off which is not good enough for an ace. Besides, word is the Cubs want him. Let them make the mistake.

[rdehring]

 

I would be shocked if the Twins left him unprotected. It'd be terrible to lose a Top 10 prospect for nothing. A team like San Diego should take him and let him get a bit of time and develop him. Guys like him aren't selected in the Rule 5 draft because guys like that get protected. 

Is he really a top 10 talent, Seth?

 

I know lots of people have him there.  Personally, I think there are to many questions to put him on the 40, questions that would drop him out of the top 10 in my book.

[Doomtints]

 

Is he really a top 10 talent, Seth?

 

I know lots of people have him there.  Personally, I think there are to many questions to put him on the 40, questions that would drop him out of the top 10 in my book.

 

He's just too far away. It doesn't make sense to stash a player like Diaz on a roster for 3-4 years. It's unlikely that he would get selected by another team this year.

[Steve Lein]

 

I'm having a tough time trying to find out the eligibility rules for the minor league phase of the Rule 5 Draft. Steve Lein actually had a question answered by Baseball America on this subject back in 2013, but it looks like the rules changed last year and there is no longer both a Triple-A and Double-A phase.

 

That article makes it sound like a player would need to be added to the Triple-A reserve roster, which includes 38 players, in order to be protected. Again, not sure if things changed. Basically where I'm going with this is it will also be interesting to see if the Twins lose anybody in the minor league portion of the draft.

 

This is what you're looking for: https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/rule-5-draft-drops-double-phase/#366vvj4MP9shb09f.97

 

Double-A phase was dropped going into last years draft. Basic jist, it was removed because literally no one of consequence has ever been selected in that portion.

[Tom Froemming]

 

This is what you're looking for: https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/rule-5-draft-drops-double-phase/#366vvj4MP9shb09f.97

 

Double-A phase was dropped going into last years draft. Basic jist, it was removed because literally no one of consequence has ever been selected in that portion.

So the assumption is that nothing has changed in regard to the Triple-A phase. With the 40-man roster additions and 38 spots on that Triple-A reserve roster, obviously you're not going to lose any top prospects or anything like that, but I'd be willing to bet the Twins have two guys taken in that minor league phase. Last year, 39 players were taken in the Triple-A phase (none of them from the Twins, and the Twins did not make any selections).

[Seth Stohs]

 

He's just too far away. It doesn't make sense to stash a player like Diaz on a roster for 3-4 years. It's unlikely that he would get selected by another team this year.

 

Maybe, but the same would have been said about Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler 4 years ago... Kepler had only a 1/2 season in Cedar Rapids when he was added. 

[nicksaviking]

 

Maybe, but the same would have been said about Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler 4 years ago... Kepler had only a 1/2 season in Cedar Rapids when he was added. 

 

Don't you think they had much more MLB value though, with Kepler being able to play all three OF spots plus 1B and Polanco being able to play both MI spots?

[Doomtints]

 

Maybe, but the same would have been said about Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler 4 years ago... Kepler had only a 1/2 season in Cedar Rapids when he was added. 

 

Yeah, Kepler has been on the roster forever... was strange, no?

 

[Vanimal46]

 

Don't you think they had much more MLB value though, with Kepler being able to play all three OF spots plus 1B and Polanco being able to play both MI spots though?

 

Yep. And the organization was in a completely different spot where it's at today. That was just the beginning of the 90+ loss seasons with no near MLB talent to speak of. This team is hopefully trying to contend right now. Not save a spot on the 40 man for a 1B that may be good in 3+ years. 

[tvagle]

 

Yeah, Kepler has been on the roster forever... was strange, no?

 

That's what's changing the Rule 5 draft so much...young international signings being eligible at a point where decisions on the costs, dollars and development, that have been spent along with future performance projections

[Steve Lein]

 

So the assumption is that nothing has changed in regard to the Triple-A phase. With the 40-man roster additions and 38 spots on that Triple-A reserve roster, obviously you're not going to lose any top prospects or anything like that, but I'd be willing to bet the Twins have two guys taken in that minor league phase. Last year, 39 players were taken in the Triple-A phase (none of them from the Twins, and the Twins did not make any selections).

 

Right, but the player still has to be eligible to be selected in the draft. So, essentially, the MLB 40-man and AAA-reserve roster are going to protect anybody that needs protecting from the minor league phase. There's really not much left after that. 

 

To give examples, the level of player would be names like Edgar Corcino, Jonathan Rodriguez, Levi Michael, Nick Anderson... (Older guys or ones who have never quite made it)

 

It's likely not anybody in your teams top 30 prospects, or below 22 years of age in any scenario.

[old nurse]

 

If I were to guess he's a top 10 prospect perhaps for the writers and perhaps not so much for the guys in charge. In baseball circles it seems 1B has become the lowest priority position recently. Right or wrong, even bullpen arms are more in demand these days. I can't see even a bad team like SD using two of their four bench spots on a backup catcher and a guy who can only play 1B. 

All it takes is one GM to think the guy could hit 25-30 hr a year while hitting .300  to be gone. While some fans here might not think that Diaz has that potential, others do think the potential is there.

[old nurse]

 

 

He's just too far away. It doesn't make sense to stash a player like Diaz on a roster for 3-4 years. It's unlikely that he would get selected by another team this year.

Stashed on the roster for one year, 3 option years not on the MLB roster.

[nicksaviking]

 

All it takes is one GM to think the guy could hit 25-30 hr a year while hitting .300  to be gone. While some fans here might not think that Diaz has that potential, others do think the potential is there.

 

Pfft Brent Rooker will already have four seasons topping those numbers and three MVP awards before Diaz is ready! 

[Doomtints]

 

Stashed on the roster for one year, 3 option years not on the MLB roster.

 

I think it's clear we're talking about the 40 man roster.

[jorgenswest]

I don’t see how a team can stash a 1B/DH for a full year. Kepler and Polanco had much more positional flexibility. His position reduces the risk of losing him.

 

Exposing him to the rule 5 draft is a risk. Using an option this early is also a risk. He is a long way from the majors and delaying the use of an option be really helpful. Best possible case for Diaz to develop and be productive for the Twins might be exposing him this year thus avoiding using an option and getting him that extra year of development.

[rdehring]

The bigger question for all of us, who will be that surprise that none of us saw being added?  Seems almost every year there is some player added we didn't see coming.

[Tom Froemming]

 

The bigger question for all of us, who will be that surprise that none of us saw being added?  Seems almost every year there is some player added we didn't see coming.

PAT DEAN!!!

[Squirrel]

The announcement is out who was added ... you can discuss it here.

[old nurse]

 

Pfft Brent Rooker will already have four seasons topping those numbers and three MVP awards before Diaz is ready! 

Brent Rooker at the same age as Diaz is now was hitting 2HR and batting .257 in college against many pitchers not as good as Diaz has faced.  Rooker was not drafted coming out of HS. Thanks for pointing out how someone can develop after they are 20 years old.

[old nurse]

 

I think it's clear we're talking about the 40 man roster.

San Diego carried a third catcher to keep Torrens and carried Cordoba all year. What they do over the next 3 years with these players will determine what some do not understand  There is thinking outside the box that people clamor for. A team may be capable of doing something that people elsewhere reject the thought as not possible.

[The Wise One]

 

wouldnt Levine have just kept Melo on the 40 man?

Person who makes roster decision to analytics guy "Didn't you tell me that guy was mediocre?"  Analytics guy " why yes I did. But on further review, he sucks less than others"    If you look at what is out there for left handers and think he has a shot at some value, you would keep him. The parameter being left handed relievers with a 4 ERA  at AAA as I stated in my earlier post.. You are free to make your own judgement on the likelyhood  of him sucking less than the other available left handed relievers.  I did think I was only a little obtuse on what I thought the chances of Melotakis being added to the 40 man

[Doomtints]

 

San Diego carried a third catcher to keep Torrens and carried Cordoba all year. What they do over the next 3 years with these players will determine what some do not understand  There is thinking outside the box that people clamor for. A team may be capable of doing something that people elsewhere reject the thought as not possible.

 

Holding players on the 40 man for 3-4 years who never play on the team would be the status quo for the Twins, not thinking outside the box. Since 2011, one of those players has worked out.

[old nurse]

 

Holding players on the 40 man for 3-4 years who never play on the team would be the status quo for the Twins, not thinking outside the box. Since 2011, one of those players has worked out.

The sample size for 20-21 year old players is small. The San Diego players, DeShields in Texas are the ones I could think of. It is too early to say how much of a success or failure it is.