Rumor: Yankees and Twins had conversations about Santana

[Otto von Ballpark]

Estevan Florial has been a name mentioned around Yankee rumors lately.  19 year old outfielder, hitting well (but with a high K rate) at A ball, 5th for the Yankees and 90th overall in the latest MLB Pipeline lists.

 

Dustin Fowler is hurt for the season, but he was a pretty good outfielder too, and MLB ready.  MLB Pipeline has him 4th for the Yankees and 78th overall.

 

James Kaprielian is also out this year with TJ surgery, but is a pitcher and was their 1st round pick in 2015.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=nyy

[Mike Sixel]

pre season list from FG:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-33-prospects-new-york-yankees/

 

 

[Willihammer]

Can we trade him for Hicks?

[Steve Lein]

 

I think if they could get Adams, and then one or two of the other prospects I listed in the OP, I'd go for it.

 

I'm with you. My original response agrees.

 

Type of deals I would find suitable:

 

Adams + Mateo + something of a lotto ticket

 

Adams + Sheffield + something of a lesser lotto ticket

 

I'd seriously want to hear from the Astros too, though.

 

Whitley or Perez + I like better than what you're suggesting the Yankees would offer.

[drjim]

Why do they have to help next year? Are you sure that's what they are looking for?

Twins are set up to be at least fringe contenders next year. If they are trading assets that are locked in for next year for prospects that are at least 2 years out that would big mistake.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Type of deals I would find suitable:

 

Adams + Mateo + something of a lotto ticket

 

Adams + Sheffield + something of a lesser lotto ticket

If you could get Adams + Sheffield, or Adams + Mateo, you wouldn't really need the third piece, would you?

 

Although I agree that it's highly unlikely the Yankees would make such an offer for Santana, so it's a moot point.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Twins are set up to be at least fringe contenders next year. If they are trading assets that are locked in for next year for prospects that are at least 2 years out that would big mistake.

They could trade Santana for those prospects, and then turn around and sign Garcia, Cahill, Cobb, Feldman, etc. for 2018.

[Steve Lein]

 

If you are expecting elite prospects in return for a #3 type like Santana, you are going to end up very disappointed. 

 

I'm not expecting "elite" guys (what's "elite" to you? It's about top 25 for me...), I know Frazier is very close to that but that's where I'd start, not expecting to make it work unless more parts moved.

 

I would expect to get a top 50ish guy, and then another borderline top 100 in any deal for Santana, +/- how much better or worse that first guy is relative to top 50.

 

That's why Adams maybe as a starting point makes me balk.

 

 

[Willihammer]

Red Sox are supposedly interested in Kintzler. They are a half game up on the Yankees and Price hit the DL today with more elbow trouble. I wonder if the Twins could package the two to get a better return (from one team or the other).

[Steve Lein]

 

If you could get Adams + Sheffield, or Adams + Mateo, you wouldn't really need the third piece, would you?

 

Although I agree that it's highly unlikely the Yankees would make such an offer for Santana, so it's a moot point.

 

Probably not, but that's why they're "lotto tickets." 

 

Freicer Perez is the type that jumps out from their guys, though he may be too much of one.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I would expect to get a top 50ish guy, and then another borderline top 100 in any deal for Santana, +/- how much better or worse that first guy is relative to top 50.

That's what a lot of people said last July for Santana too, when nothing came to fruition, and he's a year older with some troubling peripherals this year. I feel like setting that price is again saying you won't trade him, and I'm wondering if we shouldn't be more open to the idea, and flexible about the return...

[markos]

 

They could trade Santana for those prospects, and then turn around and sign Garcia, Cahill, Cobb, Feldman, etc. for 2018.

Or use the acquired prospects to trade for big league pitching in the offseason.

[Tomj14]

 

Twins are set up to be at least fringe contenders next year. If they are trading assets that are locked in for next year for prospects that are at least 2 years out that would big mistake.

Trading Santana & Dozier for prospects that at very least can't help next year, makes the team worse in 2018 than this year, or the team over performs and we are a buyer and then have to trade prospects back to fill the needs we just traded.

IMO - I see Gordon, Gonzo and Romero being in the majors at some point next year, but only helping about as much as Buxton and Berrios helped last year. Which is to say not very much.

[Steve Lein]

 

James Kaprielian is also out this year with TJ surgery, but is a pitcher and was their 1st round pick in 2015.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=nyy

 

I like Kapriellian, he's a name I'd consider too even with the injury.

[Steve Lein]

 

That's what a lot of people said last July for Santana too, when nothing came to fruition, and he's a year older with some troubling peripherals this year. I feel like setting that price is again saying you won't trade him, and I'm wondering if we shouldn't be more open to the idea, and flexible about the return...

 

I thought I included the flexibility aspect in there...

[drjim]

They could trade Santana for those prospects, and then turn around and sign Garcia, Cahill, Cobb, Feldman, etc. for 2018.

Or just keep the effective pitcher and still sign one or two of them.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Or use the acquired prospects to trade for big league pitching in the offseason.

True, although that's a little harder to predict.  You probably couldn't wait on making FA moves either.

[drjim]

Or use the acquired prospects to trade for big league pitching in the offseason.

Or instead of uncertain arbitrage, just keep the original pitcher!

[Richie the Rally Goat]

 

I don't know what the Yanks have for Pitching but it would need to be good if we trade Santana.  Trading him we need pitching in return.  Hopefully near MLB ready pitching.

if ML ready, why trade for Santana? near ready? sure. ready ready, not likely.

[gunnarthor]

 

Red Sox are supposedly interested in Kintzler. They are a half game up on the Yankees and Price hit the DL today with more elbow trouble. I wonder if the Twins could package the two to get a better return (from one team or the other).

Red Sox have a surprisingly barren system right now. Obviously, they have enough to get Kintzler but Trey Ball has fallen out of their top 30!

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I thought I included the flexibility aspect in there...

Sure, you had some flexibility. I guess I was thinking more.

 

I'm not really looking top 50 + top 100 as a baseline, and I'm wondering if there isn't a package of 3-4 guys that might not meet those conditions but still be worthwhile. (Thinking along the lines of lower level prospects, and restocking our MLB SP through FA this winter.)

[Brock Beauchamp]

If a team isn't willing to offer one top 50 prospect or two top 100 prospects for Santana, hard pass.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Twins are set up to be at least fringe contenders next year. If they are trading assets that are locked in for next year for prospects that are at least 2 years out that would big mistake.

 

My assumption is that this is not the only move they have to make to contend next year. 1-3 FA need to be signed, promotions need to happen, and maybe other trades need to happen.

 

I'm not as convinced as some others that ESan is going to be good next year, and I'd guess if the Yankees are not offering a top prospect, neither are they.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If a team isn't willing to offer one top 50 prospect or two top 100 prospects for Santana, hard pass.

Really?  Just looking at the Yankees list, I can make a reasonably compelling package of 3 prospects without meeting those conditions.

[gunnarthor]

Regarding the Astros, it sounds like they aren't willing to move their top prospects.

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Really?  Just looking at the Yankees list, I can make a reasonably compelling package of 3 prospects without meeting those conditions.

I skew toward favoring a single high-end prospect over multiple lesser prospects. YMMV.

[Tomj14]

 

My assumption is that this is not the only move they have to make to contend next year. 1-3 FA need to be signed, promotions need to happen, and maybe other trades need to happen.

 

I'm not as convinced as some others that ESan is going to be good next year, and I'd guess if the Yankees are not offering a top prospect, neither are they.

If you don't think he will be good next year, you should trade him for anything (anything that isn't close to being on the 40 man) and use the money for a FA after the season.

Now I don't think he will be great, but I wouldn't expect too much different than the last 10 years. Around 11 wins and an ERA around 4.

As of right now, I think Berrios is the only other starting pitcher we have in our whole system that has those expectations. Maybe Mejia and as much as I hate to say it possibly Gibson.

[Vanimal46]

 

I skew toward favoring a single high-end prospect over multiple lesser prospects. YMMV.

 

I'm with you on this. The farm system has quantity. What's missing is high quality. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I skew toward favoring a single high-end prospect over multiple lesser prospects. YMMV.

Sure, but I doubt a high-end prospect is on the table, and I wouldn't want to close the door on other avenues to value.  Hanging on to Santana isn't going to net you a high-end prospect either.

 

If Santana's age and peripherals catch up to him, this might be our last best chance to cash him in.  If the rest of our team takes another step forward in 2018, this might be our last chance to be sellers for awhile too.  I'd be exploring a lot of deals right now.

[Squirrel]

 

Well they killed us on the Murphy for Hicks deal.  Why not try again?

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