Ichiro reaches 3000 hits in the majors

[spinowner]

 

Odd, seeing as he got less that 25% of his total outs in his career via strikeout. Crazy career he made there. You may want to reconsider your position, or choose a different area to prod me on. This isn't a wise one.

It's not just strikeouts. How many times was the count 1-2 when it should have been 3-0? The answer is at least in triple digits.

[Vanimal46]

 

I clicked like for this, but there are several players I'll put ahead of Griffey for the "should have been unanimous" title, and the man at the top of the list is Hank 755.

I can't argue with that. Our difference in player examples is just a generational gap. When baseball, and sports in general, was the most important thing in my life, Ken Griffey Jr. was lighting up the league. I'm slightly biased towards Griffey because he's my favorite player of all-time.   

[Mike Sixel]

 

It's not just strikeouts. How many times was the count 1-2 when it should have been 3-0? The answer is at least in triple digits.

 

I'd argue you are confusing Maddux with Glavine, the most over rated pitcher, biggest argument for robot umps, ever....

[biggentleben]

 

It's not just strikeouts. How many times was the count 1-2 when it should have been 3-0? The answer is at least in triple digits.

 

Once again, find another issue. You're wrong and incredibly biased here. I'm incredibly biased in the argument, but I've got the documentation to back up my end of things. Glavine we can argue, Maddux actually missed the zone on a called strike about as often as I miss a meal - and I played offensive line in college, so you know the answer to that. Bad camera angles do not equal the modern technology we have today, and in reviewing exactly those bad camera angle films, Maddux often hits the zone. So, please just stop. I've had a bad day, and I'm bound to go off on you for stupidity.

[spinowner]

 

Once again, find another issue. You're wrong and incredibly biased here. I'm incredibly biased in the argument, but I've got the documentation to back up my end of things. Glavine we can argue, Maddux actually missed the zone on a called strike about as often as I miss a meal - and I played offensive line in college, so you know the answer to that. Bad camera angles do not equal the modern technology we have today, and in reviewing exactly those bad camera angle films, Maddux often hits the zone. So, please just stop. I've had a bad day, and I'm bound to go off on you for stupidity.

So this might be a bad time to bring up the Hrbek/Gant play again?

[Vanimal46]

Maddux was a magician at painting the corners with his pitches. Especially the 2 seamer coming back to the outside corner for right handed hitters. Just nasty. 

[gunnarthor]

 

Ichiro had a worse second half of his career.  The last 7 seasons, his OPS+ was above average only twice (and this includes this season that is not over.)

 

Also, cumulative career 42 WAR for Ichiro is not Hall of Fame good... 3000 hits or not.  

Where did you get the 42 number from?  I'm not a huge fan of WAR but both fangraphs and b-r have it around 60.  

[biggentleben]

 

So this might be a bad time to bring up the Hrbek/Gant play again?

 

My feelings about Hrbek have never changed. His usage of oxygen on this planet is depriving someone actually worthy.

 

And it has nothing to do with that play.

 

Shall we talk about about Lucas Harrell instead?

[Craig Arko]

Nothing like celebrating 3000 hits to bring out the latent hostility in people.

[biggentleben]

 

Nothing like celebrating 3000 hits to bring out the latent hostility in people.

 

No. Family friend is burying his second child today. He's not yet 60. That just shouldn't happen. Forgive me if I'm short with the world today.

[Craig Arko]

 

No. Family friend is burying his second child today. He's not yet 60. That just shouldn't happen. Forgive me if I'm short with the world today.

My condolences. That's always a terrible thing.

[Thrylos]

 

dude, I've never done this on TD......but you ever say anything nice at all, in any thread?

 

Facts are facts.  They are not "nice" or not "nice".  Stating facts is not "nice"?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Facts are facts.  They are not "nice" or not "nice".  Stating facts is not "nice"?

 

We'll just disagree on tone, and comments that aren't totally facts, I guess.

[Craig Arko]

We'll just disagree on tone, and comments that aren't totally facts, I guess.

Facts may indeed be just facts, but conclusions are often confirmation bias. At least that's been my biased experience.

[spinowner]

 

No. Family friend is burying his second child today. He's not yet 60. That just shouldn't happen. Forgive me if I'm short with the world today.

My condolences as well. Hope everyone is bearing up as well as possible.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I'd say the bickering here needs to be toned down... then again, that was a few days ago...  Back to the original issue.

 

I'm not going to get worked up if a writer thinks that there are more qualified HOF guys than there are ballot spots and wants to leave off a guy like Ichiro b/c he knows he will get in... that doesn't really bother me. The ballot right now has more guys deserving than the writers have votes.  But leaving him off for a stupid reason... yeah, not a fan of cutting off my nose to spite my face. 

 

I'm not sure cumulative WAR is a good metric for Ichiro given that he didn't start playing MLB baseball until he was 27.  That's a lot of good seasons that are just not there. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't mind if voters pass over a guy like Maddux knowing that he'll get into the Hall easily without their vote if the voter is making a point about there being 10 other qualified candidates who deserve a vote (a pretty easy stand to take given this PED tomfoolery).

 

But if someone refuses to vote for anyone from the PED era, they're not doing their job and should be removed from the voting process. That's not a legitimate stance to take and undermines the entire voting process.

[biggentleben]

 

I don't mind if voters pass over a guy like Maddux knowing that he'll get into the Hall easily without their vote if the voter is making a point about there being 10 other qualified candidates who deserve a vote (a pretty easy stand to take given this PED tomfoolery).

 

But if someone refuses to vote for anyone from the PED era, they're not doing their job and should be removed from the voting process. That's not a legitimate stance to take and undermines the entire voting process.

 

That's another issue, though...the restriction on ballots is a farce. If there are 30 guys who legit deserve to be there, you should be able to vote for 30. Restricting vote to any number is BS.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

That's another issue, though...the restriction on ballots is a farce. If there are 30 guys who legit deserve to be there, you should be able to vote for 30. Restricting vote to any number is BS.

You'll get no arguments from me on that point... But given the current structure of the voting, I can understand why someone would pass over Maddux - who is a shoe-in - and giving his/her 10 votes to candidates who aren't guaranteed election.

[Vanimal46]

 

You'll get no arguments from me on that point... But given the current structure of the voting, I can understand why someone would pass over Maddux - who is a shoe-in - and giving his/her 10 votes to candidates who aren't guaranteed election.

It really doesn't matter at the end of the day, but it still bothers me that people give out their votes just to save a person for consideration the next year. 

[bluechipper]

 

It really doesn't matter at the end of the day, but it still bothers me that people give out their votes just to save a person for consideration the next year. 

I think it's a good thing to do. I look at Jim Edmonds, who fell off the ballot with 2.5% of the votes in his first year. He's probably not a HOFer anyway, but he deserves more consideration I think.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I think it's a good thing to do. I look at Jim Edmonds, who fell off the ballot with 2.5% of the votes in his first year. He's probably not a HOFer anyway, but he deserves more consideration I think.

17 seasons, mostly played CF, career OPS of .903 in the majors over said 17 seasons.  51 hits shy of 2000 and 7 home runs shy of 400.  Unless his defense was terrible (and I don't remember it being bad), he's a legit candidate. I've got to think some guys made it posting worse numbers at CF.

[jimmer]

 

I think it's a good thing to do. I look at Jim Edmonds, who fell off the ballot with 2.5% of the votes in his first year. He's probably not a HOFer anyway, but he deserves more consideration I think.

He absolutely should be a HOFer.  Ridiculous he fell off.

[Bark's Lounge]

Ichiro is a Japanese Treasure and an American Treasure. I am glad he reached the 3K hit marker and it will be fun to watch his speech when he is inducted to the HOF on the 1st ballot, whether he does it himself or has an interpreter or both. His style of play was unorthodox and he was a joy to watch play in the 2000's as much as it was to watch Bonds play in the first half of that decade.

 

Who knows, I am 2 years younger than Ichiro, but I might be sixty by the time he eligible for the HOF. (:

 

Dude is a Ninja!!!

[biggentleben]

 

He absolutely should be a HOFer.  Ridiculous he fell off.

 

Woah there. He shouldn't have fallen off first ballot, but I'm not voting for him, and he'll not ever make any of my IBWAA ballots.

[Brock Beauchamp]

If Edmonds gets in, Lofton needs to get in.

[Willihammer]

If Tommy McCarthy got in, Josh Willingham should get in.

[Mike Sixel]

Tim Raines, number 1 snub right now, if you care....

[Brock Beauchamp]

Tim Raines, number 1 snub right now

I'd say Bonds is the #1 snub but Raines should have been in years ago.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I'd say Bonds is the #1 snub but Raines should have been in years ago.

 

Is Bonds eligible? If so, agreed...