Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 1) RH SP Jose Berrios2) RH RP Nick Burdi (flip a coin w/ health)3) OF Byron Buxton4) RH RP JT Chargois5) OF Max Kepler6) OF Eddie Rosario7) RH RP Trevor May8) 2B Jorge Polanco (best defender and hitter at 2B)9) 3B Miguel Sano10) RH RP Tyler Duffey11) SS Nick Gordon12) LH SP Stephen Gonsalves13) LH SP Tyler Jay 14) SS Eduardo Nunez (he's been good for both years we had him)15) RH RP Trevor Hildenberger (just gets it done) Nobody is going to take Mauer's contract anyway despite the fact that he still has some gas in his tank. Nunez personality and free spirit will become infectious with young core. Dozier is holding back a better potential player in Polanco IMO. Polanco never should have been experimented at SS. He has always been a GREAT second baseman defensively and consistent hitter (11 doubles / 6 triples / 5 HRs - in AAA). Second guessing myself on Rogers; Pressley; and Gibson only. Jay doesn't have to be added since he was drafted in 2015 (unless he's called up before the end of the year - he won't be).
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 I can't believe people leaving Stewart unprotected, for some of these other players. Vanimal46, alarp33 and James 3
J_Dobs Verified Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 I'm curious of the 5/10 rule, as well. From Wikipedia [yeah, kinda lazy this morning] "5/10 Rule whereby players who have been with a club for 5 consecutive years and have been a major league player for 10 years cannot be traded without their consent." How about exposed to Expansion Draft? Why would an Expansion Team select Mauer? Veteran presence with only 2 (?) years left on contract? Edit: Adding that, from the expansion team perspective, I personally wouldn't do this. I'd go after all the young prospect I could corral. From what I believe I have heard in the past around discussions like this, if you have a no-trade clause you are forced to protect that player in case of expansion draft. alarp33 1
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 It's also pretty telling where this organization is currently when May, and the occasional mention of Pressly/Gibson are the only MLB arms people would keep. alarp33 1
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 When I first starting reading this I thought it'd be much more difficult to decide on only 15 players to protect. But after looking at the your list and reasons for not protecting certain players it seemed almost easy. And if you figure in all the other 30 organizations unprotected players the likelihood of losing some of the 16,17,18.... players seems even lower. I mean, you're going to lose one guy after round 1, and then be able to protect three more. You'll lose 1 guy after round 2. And, almost a 50/50 chance of losing someone in round 3. So, in theory you could lose someone in your 16-18 range and someone (or two) in your 20-22 range. And even then, it depends on if the expansion team chooses big league talent or prospects.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 I'm curious of the 5/10 rule, as well. From Wikipedia [yeah, kinda lazy this morning] "5/10 Rule whereby players who have been with a club for 5 consecutive years and have been a major league player for 10 years cannot be traded without their consent." How about exposed to Expansion Draft? Why would an Expansion Team select Mauer? Veteran presence with only 2 (?) years left on contract? Edit: Adding that, from the expansion team perspective, I personally wouldn't do this. I'd go after all the young prospect I could corral. An expansion team wouldn't select him, but it "MAY" be a requirement to include such a player in the 15 to remove the possibility. It's all hypothetical.
Next Year Verified Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 With Polanco so highly thought of (I agree) here in the comments, its really going to hurt next year when he's given the Arcia treatment and left to rot on the bench
Vanimal46 Old-Timey Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 With Polanco so highly thought of (I agree) here in the comments, its really going to hurt next year when he's given the Arcia treatment and left to rot on the benchWelcome to TD! Your username should be relevant for the next 2-3-15 years Mike Sixel, rghrbek and Shane Wahl 3
SwainZag Community Moderator Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 For the first 2 rounds, I wouldn't be protecting any relievers. Each team is drafting 28 players apiece and more than likely going for upside. I protect the position players and starters. You get 3 more protections after Round 1 and 2. Mike Sixel 1
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 What is the 10 and 5 rule that would impact Mauer? I doubt he would be selected in an expansion draft at this point in his career so I'm not sure why he would need to be protected...The rules would likely dictate that since he can't be traded he also could not be exposed to the draft. alarp33 1
dxpavelka Verified Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 The only strong disagreement I'd have would be Kohl Stewart. He's still a 21 year old 1st round draft pick with a career minor league ERA under 3. Those don't grow on trees. Mike Sixel 1
Hosken Bombo Disco Community Moderator Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 For the first 2 rounds, I wouldn't be protecting any relievers. Each team is drafting 28 players apiece and more than likely going for upside. I protect the position players and starters. You get 3 more protections after Round 1 and 2.This makes sense. Then from the original 15 you could consider exposing maybe Chargois, Rogers or Pressly, or some combination, though I would still protect Burdi.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 For a little perspective, here is a page which shows all of the players selected in the 1997 draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Major_League_Baseball_expansion_draft
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 This makes sense. Then from the original 15 you could consider exposing maybe Chargois, Rogers or Pressly, or some combination, though I would still protect Burdi. I just think the game has changed. Teams now need starters to go 6 innings and then turn it over to the bullpens. I think May and Pressly and Chargois and Burdi can be dominant bullpen arms. May and Pressly already are pretty close to that. And, like I wrote, I think May could still move to starting, but they just have to commit to that. Hosken Bombo Disco and Mike Sixel 2
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 The only strong disagreement I'd have would be Kohl Stewart. He's still a 21 year old 1st round draft pick with a career minor league ERA under 3. Those don't grow on trees. I can't disagree with that, and if I replaced someone to add him it would likely be Taylor Rogers. Mike Sixel 1
FormerMinnasotan Provisional Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 1.Jose Berrios2.Max Kepler3.Byron Buxton4.Jorge Polanco5.Miguel Sano6.Joe Mauer7.JT Chargios8.Trevor May9.Nick Gordon10.Fernando Romero11.Eddie Rosario12.Nick Burdi13.Brian Dozier14.Stephen Gonsalves15.Kohl Stewart
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 just picking a nit. I wouldn't protect anyone I didn't fear would get drafted, and even though Mauer is Mr. Twin, I don't think anyone is picking up that contract.
alarp33 Provisional Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 just picking a nit. I wouldn't protect anyone I didn't fear would get drafted, and even though Mauer is Mr. Twin, I don't think anyone is picking up that contract. In this Hypothetical you have no choice, he has to be one of the 15 protected since he has a no move clause. FWIW, the same goes for the Hockey expansion draft. I believe the Wild have no choice but to protect Parise and Suter, whether they believe the expansion team would take on their contracts or not
bluechipper Provisional Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 3. Sano - terrible defensively but maybe slightly above average offensivelyMaybe? That probably the most pessimistic projection for Sano that I've read.
TwinsTerritory Provisional Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 For a little perspective, here is a page which shows all of the players selected in the 1997 draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Major_League_Baseball_expansion_draftAt the start of the conversation I thought each team only protecting 15 players would leave some pretty good players for the expansion teams. After checking that list from 1997, I was mistaken. Not very many players that had long (or successful) major league careers.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 28, 2016 Author Posted June 28, 2016 just picking a nit. I wouldn't protect anyone I didn't fear would get drafted, and even though Mauer is Mr. Twin, I don't think anyone is picking up that contract. No one would, but as written in the article and throughout the comments, that's not why he's included.
ashbury Verified Member Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 At the start of the conversation I thought each team only protecting 15 players would leave some pretty good players for the expansion teams. After checking that list from 1997, I was mistaken. Not very many players that had long (or successful) major league careers.I also didn't see them drafting prospects from below AAA, though I didn't search exhaustively. That seems like the direction I would go after about my first 10 picks. Instead they were focusing on guys with at least a little bit of MLB experience.
Hosken Bombo Disco Community Moderator Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 At the start of the conversation I thought each team only protecting 15 players would leave some pretty good players for the expansion teams. After checking that list from 1997, I was mistaken. Not very many players that had long (or successful) major league careers.Try the 1992 expansion draft for the Marlins and Rockies. Some better players, including a future Hall-of-Famer (more likely than not but no guarantee) and some other interesting guys, like a young Joe Girardi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Major_League_Baseball_expansion_draft
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