So at what point does Molly/TR realize that Escobar and his sub .600 ops has no business in the DH/LF spot?

[twinsnorth49]

 

You only have to back to comment #83 to find your first example. It couldn't be more clear. I'll remind you that examples are prevalent. You yourself have called Ryan clueless, called his honesty into question, and have repeatedly said things that could ONLY be interpreted as characterizing him as an incompetent. It's a favorite ploy of some to criticize a decision and extrapolate it to mean someone (usually Ryan) is incompetent. But I will say you've toned your criticism down, and I thank you for that, in all seriousness.

 

This is a message board. And until twinsnorth49 or someone else bans me, I'm going to care. Whether a victim is present or not, it's wrong to demonize them. It's wrong to mischaracterize things and intentionally portray someone in a bad light. I don't care who the victim is, that kind of bashing offends me. So yes, I'm going to push back and ask whether there might be a different perspective when a verbal lynching gets underway. If you feel that hijacks things, so be it. 

Ok, you've had your say.

 

Let's get back to the topic........please.

 

At what point is having a guy with a sub .600 OPS at LF or DH not going to cut it any longer and when are TR/Molly going to act?

 

That's what we're talking about here , not whether people are idiots or not, decisions maybe but not people.

 

 

[Craig Arko]

Ok, you've had your say.

 

Let's get back to the topic........please.

 

At what point is having a guy with a sub .600 OPS at LF or DH not going to cut it any longer and when are TR/Molly going to act?

 

That's what we're talking about here , not whether people are idiots or not, decisions maybe but not people.

That's easy. Nobody here knows. Unless The Amazing Kreskin is actually a Twins fan.

[Jham]

Besides Escobar going oppo over the Monster today, and believing Vargas to be our best option as well as future option at DH, I will say that punting is often the right play, however boring and unpopular it may be to the fans.  They played the situation conservatively while we were winning.  We've lost a couple.  I expect some changes will come. 

[twinsnorth49]

 

That's easy. Nobody here knows. Unless The Amazing Kreskin is actually a Twins fan.

Fair enough, that qualifies.

[bird]

 

Ok, you've had your say.

 

Let's get back to the topic........please.

 

At what point is having a guy with a sub .600 OPS at LF or DH not going to cut it any longer and when are TR/Molly going to act?

 

That's what we're talking about here , not whether people are idiots or not, decisions maybe but not people.

 

 

Agreed, we both have had our say.

 

At what point? Oh, I don't know. Maybe when Arcia shows he's recovered by getting a hit or two, something that hasn't happened yet during his current rehab. Or maybe when Pinto comes out of his current ten-game swoon in which he's batted .143 in AAA with no more HR's than Escobar over that time period. Or maybe when Vargas shows satisfactory progress on whatever improvement program they have him on in the eyes of his coaches and manager. Or maybe when Escobar stops clobbering home runs.

[DaveW]

The worst part of Escobars meaningless HR is that it probably cements his place in the lineup for the next month. Funny how he is playing both games today but Mauer and Rosario are both only playing one. Sweet.

[Vanimal46]

.146 BA since May 17th... 14 k's in 41 at bats. He's for sure in a slump and certainly shouldn't be featured in the every day lineup. But hey he hit a HR today ohh boy!

[twinsnorth49]

 

. Or maybe when Escobar stops clobbering home runs.

Yeah, but can he do it as DH? 

 

Goal posts moved, 

[drivlikejehu]

Ryan & Molitor like the defense Escobar brings to the DH position.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Ryan & Molitor like the defense Escobar brings to the DH position.

Are you suggesting Ryan and Molitor are so incompetent that they don't realize the DH doesn't play a position in the field?

[John Kelsey]

 

Are you suggesting Ryan and Molitor are so incompetent that they don't realize the DH doesn't play a position in the field?

 

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[Vanimal46]

Are you suggesting Ryan and Molitor are so incompetent that they don't realize the DH doesn't play a position in the field?

Every time you make a post, I imagine Bubbles saying exactly what you say, including a couple of F words injected in the sentences. Do you get this a lot?

[twinsnorth49]

 

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[USAFChief]

An interesting thread. For my money, there is no justification for this situation to exist, for weeks now.

 

So I don't particularly care what the reasons are, or the motivations, just fix it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless...if they truly are more worried about development than helping a team in First place, then they should all be fired.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Every time you make a post, I imagine Bubbles saying exactly what you say, including a couple of F words injected in the sentences. Do you get this a lot?

Goddamn ****ing right I do!

 

[drivlikejehu]

 

An interesting thread. For my money, there is no justification for this situation to exist, for weeks now.

So I don't particularly care what the reasons are, or the motivations, just fix it.

 

Turns out Molitor hates Escobar; if he starts him at DH for another couple months, Escobar's career WAR of 1.3 will move into negative territory. Meanwhile, his atrophied defensive skills will leave him without a job and permanently in the red for his career. Devious plan indeed.

 

[Vanimal46]

Goddamn ****ing right I do!

 

I'm not a fan of using LOL but you really did make me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.

*Instantly turns on Netflix and puts on Green Bastard episode of TPB

[twinsnorth49]

 

I'm not a fan of using LOL but you really did make me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.
*Instantly turns on Netflix and puts on Green Bastard episode of TPB

Don't thank me, thank Bubbles. I defy anyone not to laugh out loud while watching TPB.

 

Enjoy!

[beckmt]

Twins are using the DH spot for players out of the lineout to rest their legs. Lots of club in the American league do this. Twins probably have only room for one of Vargas and Arcia for the next 3 to 4 years(when Mauer's contract expires. By then it may be Walker or another bopper looking for time. Vargas or Arcia are going to have to hit a lot to be in Minnesota.

[Kwak]

I conclude this discussion exists because they have all failed to meet standards.  I also think that the FO has hopes that the group (Arcia, Pinto, and Vargas) can be trained to adequately play a position rather than be a DH.  My guess is that the DH position is being reserved for Sano when he is promoted to the Twins.  They would prefer to not have a conflict between "prospects" when the FO has already "picked their favorite".

[jorgenswest]

I think they will have a bat back soon. Vargas is swinging at 13.3% of pitches out of the zone as compared to 33.9% with the Twins. While there is no doubt that major league pitching is much more difficult to read, it is clear that he is working on his judgment of the strike zone. It isn't that he has become less aggressive, his rate of swinging at pitches in the zone is slightly up.

 

The Twins need Vargas. Pitchers didn't need to throw strikes to the Vargas that was here until mid May. If he can make pitchers throw the ball in the zone, he will hit it hard. The same can be said of Arcia.

 

I don't think this is a development plan for 2016. I think it is a plan for this year. A bat, likely Vargas, will return soon. If all goes as planned, that bat will help much more upon return.

[howeda7]

At a minimum, send Santana down, put Escobar at SS call up SOMEONE else and platoon them with Nunez if we're not allowed to have Pinto or Arcia or Vargas.

[DaveW]

I conclude this discussion exists because they have all failed to meet standards. I also think that the FO has hopes that the group (Arcia, Pinto, and Vargas) can be trained to adequately play a position rather than be a DH. My guess is that the DH position is being reserved for Sano when he is promoted to the Twins. They would prefer to not have a conflict between "prospects" when the FO has already "picked their favorite".

Vargas is either a DH or he is a first basemen.

[Blackjack]

 

 

I don't think this is a development plan for 2016. I think it is a plan for this year. A bat, likely Vargas, will return soon. If all goes as planned, that bat will help much more upon return.

 

This.

[dxpavelka]

 

Play on a team that doesn't have Escobar as it's next option at his position,

 

Shouldn't it be the reverse?  Santana should be more likely to get send down because we have Escobar to take his place.

 

A team with a lack of viable shortstops (say, the 2011-2013 Twins) would be more likely to have to suffer through the current Santana leash.

Both have OPS under .600.  If Santana's still your SS 2 years from now  it's because you stuck with him thru growing pains this year and were rewarded for it.  If Escobar's your SS 2 years from now it's because nobody else has developed the way you hoped and you're stuck with him.

[Willihammer]

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