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Offseason Status Update: New Year, Same Team
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The more Ford and Gasper are on the active MLB roster, the worse this team is. Both are scrap heap material nearing expiration dates (they are 29 and 32 and both have career WARs under zero; aka they stink). Larnach is younger, vastly better, tall, a lefty bat, plays an OK OF, and can certainly learn the easiest defensive position on the field during Spring Training. And if Emmanuel Rodriguez pushes his way to the big leagues, and Julien struggles early, you have a space for Emma, a platoon match for Miranda, and you give the team flexibility to rotate their big bats through DH. And probably your most tradable asset, Castro, can be traded; maybe for the pitching help they need (like a steady eddie starter, or a good LH RP), or maybe to free up salary to add the help. That's the Larnach 1B stuff.- 17 replies
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Offseason Status Update: New Year, Same Team
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If they can move Vazquez's salary they will (might be easier than Paddack's given the injury history), but more likely might be a Castro trade (Martin could take that spot; a good left arm the target). They also should work Larnach out at 1B; his bat would put Gasper's and Ford's to shame, his athleticism and size gives him more defensive upside, and with Rodriguez on the cusp of MLB they will need to keep their best bats in the lineup when E arrives. Though fine for organizational depth, if the Twins play many games with Gasper or Ford on the big league roster, it will be a bad, bad omen on the team success front.- 17 replies
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Is Rocco Baldelli a Lame Duck Manager in 2025?
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Mark Polishuk of MLB Trade Rumors seems confused by what 'lame duck' means (which is somebody serving in a position AFTER their eligibility for renewal is gone, or they have been terminated but remain on the job for a time). Rocco isn't a lame duck even if his contract is up at the end of next season, because he can be extended. Though, as the OP here aptly points out, he really hasn't earned an extension; two of the last three years have ended with an epic team collapse. Hopefully he knows he is managing for his job this year, because he really should be. -
Miranda isn't a baseline; if healthy he is a major step up from any of these players, and on the upside of his career instead of the downside. If you sign a veteran, Rocco will play him despite all evidence the younger player is better; we don't need another Joey Gallo/Manuel Margot clogging the roster (or reviving the terrible idea of Lewis playing 2B, so Miranda can play, so a weak link can stand at first). And I like Wade, but I'm guessing his market never warms ups. A pop-less platoon weak defender with a slightly above average OPS+ isn't any team's dream for a critical offensive position.
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What's Left at First Base in Free Agency?
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Keaschall is not a pitcher, and so doesn't need the same recovery time. The surgery was delayed to give him maximum playing time last year, and then done on a schedule so that he would be fully recovered for Spring Training.- 81 replies
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What's Left at First Base in Free Agency?
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That isn't really a comfort since they make the actual decisions. Like the stupid decision to try Sano in the OF. Lewis would be one of the largest 2B in baseball and brings a history of serious knee injuries to a position that demands back-to-runner shiftiness and ruins knees (career-ending ruination) more than any other.- 81 replies
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What's Left at First Base in Free Agency?
PatPfund replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I don't see the glaring need for anyone on this list (other than Alonso who is more likely sign on Mars than here). Until he tweaked his back, Miranda wasn't just passable, he tied an all-time record for consecutive hits, and posted monthly 'sOPS+'s of 123, 110, 160, and 203. He's your 1B. Julien should get a shot at being the LH option, and Larnach should get work there. (If the Twins move Vasquez's or Paddack's contract, Castro plays a lot of LF, if not then Martin can play the position with flex for E-Rod's likely arrival at some point.) Going with Miranda as the primary 1B also undercuts the stupid idea of moving Royce Lewis to 2B (a position notorious for career-wrecking knee injuries). Brooks Lee, Julien, Castro, and Martin can cover the space, letting Lewis actually get (hopefully) healthy extended time at 3B. Keaschall may also be there by season's end.- 81 replies
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I'd love to see Vasquez go back to Boston, both for him and for us. And, yeah, this third year at $10 million has turned painful, but in case people forgot, it is the only reason he signed here (the Twins were the only ones offering a third year), and Vasquez truly stabilized one of the weakest parts of our team. The guy is a pro's pro, has probably been key to keeping Jeffers healthy, and it is a bummer the collapse of the Twins' financial model (big loss in TV revenue, feeble post-pandemic attendance) has them scaling back. But that's where we are.
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I get the need to add position players, but the Twins' so-called pitching depth is a myth when it comes to the rotation. Right now they'd start with Lopez, Ober, Ryan, SWR, and Paddack. Of those last three Ryan is likely on an IP restriction even if fully recovered (something that also likely depresses his trade value), SWR had a truly breakout season but tailed off badly, and Paddack hasn't had a good and healthy season in 5 years. Right now, only David Festa looks MLB-ready as a sixth starter. Varland is a reliever until he gets another good pitch, Zebby might get there but was not ready last year (his call-up was a product of desperation), and the others haven't sniffed MLB yet. Starting thin failed last year, and likely will again this year. (Plus it is SO MUCH CHEAPER to add position players in-season than starting pitching.) So trade from our depth for a solid arm. And give our in-house hitters (many of whom are already better than 2024's Kepler/Farmer/Margot) a chance to shine, making (cheaper) additions there as needed once the year begins. And buy Larnach a 1B glove; he can be the LH half of a duo with Miranda if Julien can't rediscover his stroke, and E-Rod presses for a space on the big club.
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Prielipp is a power lefty, which the Twins desperately need.. Here are his totals for the 2020s. 2020: 4 games, 21 innings (Alabama). 2021: 7 innings ('bama, UCL tear). 2022: didn't pitch, drafted by Twins. 2023: 6.2 innings (FCL Twins, Cedar Rapids). 2024: 23.1 innings (Twins: FCL, A-, A+). In the minors he has struck out 48 in 30 innings, all as a starter. Also had two UCL operations in 3 years, all as a starter. We could keep him on a steady progression as a starter, and at this rate, maybe he'd be deemed worthy of a shot in 2030 after 3 more UCL surgeries. Or you see if he can stay healthy in shorter stints as a reliever, and invite him to ST to see if his stuff plays against big leaguers, and if it does you roster him; if not assign him to AAA (or wherever else seems appropriate). People who strike out 1.5 batters per IP, and who don't need the stamina of a starter can often be fast-tracked to MLB. For example, Duran pitched 16 whole lousy innings at AAA, before the Twins converted him to a reliever, and he immediately became a dominant force. In a budget strapped year, the Twins should try catching that lightning again, or at least see if reduced work can shepherd Prielipp through his first fully healthy season since high school.
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Despite the doom and gloom, the Twins are (rightfully) considered a primary contender for their division title. Trading away one of your top 3 SPs is something a bad team does, not one with aspirations for the playoffs. And naming a bunch of prospect names means nothing for '25. Zebby had a great year last year until he hit the majors (where he was often lit up, confirming some scouting that his fastball is very MLB-hittable). Connor Prielipp can't throw 50 innings as a starter without blowing out his elbow (meaning he is likely headed for the 'pen not the rotation). Marco Raya never throws more than 5 innings. The others haven't even sniffed the bigs. So, no. You don't trade either of them. (Unless the season blows up so bad the team is out of it by June.)
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Worth thinking along these lines, but I'm not sure why we'd target someone else's OF prospects when two of the highest of our prospects are OFs. Or a 3B if we are ready 'to move on from Royce Lewis'. (I say move on from anyone in the Twins' org that wants to move on from Lewis.) As for the 'pen, I'd skip the suggested trade, tell Prielipp he's a reliever this year, and give him a shot to make the team (we have our own dynamic arm that might blow itself up). And if you don't trade him, add the Sheriff to the bullpen as well (where he rocked a couple years ago). Prielipp, Paddack, Jax, and Duran with Stewart, Sands, Tonkin, and Varland sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, we need a starter too, as long as we don't overpay. There will be affordable and serviceable arms in FA if the Twins are patient, and while an ace is unlikely outside of a trade, a very big need will be someone who can deliver 150-160 competitive innings (since Ryan and others may be on innings limitations).
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The Twins shouldn't even be looking at a player like this (or Santana) until after New Year's. Canha was a good player. But counting on a player in his later 30s with a possible lingering hip issue. for a position that involves running is pretty sketchy. And for sure he either needs to get over aspirations of a $10 million contract, and that won't happen until ST starts to loom on the calendar (or someone else pays him the bigger coin).
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Still off-point, but also deeply incorrect. A year ago the Twins finished with one of the best rotations in MLB, and won a playoff series. They were returning Lopez, Ober, Ryan, and getting Paddack back after he looked fabulous in the playoffs in a bullpen role. They were going to lose one major piece in Gray, and the news about the budget made adding a new top pitcher look highly unlikely. But I don't know of many who had doubts about the top three.
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Glad at least one other "boomer" pointed out that games weren't traditionally 3 hours long (4 freakin' hours when you got to playoffs). I was all for shortening the games through a clock and rule enforcement. Don't care for the anti-shift rule, because it makes the game stupider (seriously, if you insist on pulling the ball into 6 defenders you deserve to be out). The Golden At Bat strikes me as a stupid gimmick to insert artificial drama. I don't really worry about any of the objections in the OP since we are talking probably once-a-game. Most MLB players get pinch-hit for in a game at some point; many have others chosen to hit over them; egos don't shatter. Pitchers get good players out, and sometimes get beat by them. If one at-bat per game crumbles their well-being they are probably in the wrong profession. But it will have little impact on most games, so it adds little extra incentive to watch if you aren't already. Plus I can already see Rocco sending some light-hitting lefty up to hit for Correa in the playoffs, because a righty is on the mound.
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Hate to try to get you back on topic, but the discussion here is about the projected 2025 rotation, and Joe Ryan DID get hurt and he hasn't pitched in a game since. Even if he has made a full recovery (and there is no way to know that until he pitches; the Twins are notoriously untrustworthy when it comes to injury updates), it almost certainly comes with innings restrictions, which seriously affects the depth of the '25 rotation. And if needs to adapt his throwing to prevent re-injury (the muscle didn't tear for no reason), Ryan might not be as effective, again affecting depth of rotation. This is not an area of strength.
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Right now the Twins top three is Lopez (great), Ober (good), ....umm, umm, SWR? Festa? Paddack? Until Ryan is back actually pitching, and shows the injury hasn't set him back, and shows that he can pitch like last year, but not injure his shoulder again, and until we know what inning restrictions he might be under, he isn't a number 3. The deep questions that go with all of the other possible #3s show rotation is not currently a team strength. Even if I spot you Ryan, how about the Dodgers having Glasnow, Yamamoto, and Ohtani. Or sub in Dustin May, or sub in Tony Gonsolin. The point is that there were 20 pitching staffs with a better group ERA than the Twins. Rotation depth was a problem going into last season, they did nothing, and the rotation finished the year running on fumes. This is not an area of strength (especially to trade FROM).
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Amen @Fire Dan Gladden! Rather than a strength, the rotation is the biggest hole in the organization. 2 good starters, one whose increased velocity was followed by a torn shoulder (and he is poised more for innings restrictions than a big step forward), and... well... the post above says it. Compare the current rotation (where Ober is clearly SP2) to the spring of '23 when Ober had to start in St Paul. We have potential answers all over the place for position players (Lewis bounce-back, Julien bounce-back, Miranda bounce-back, Lee healthy, Correa healthy, Buxton healthy, more established Larnach and Wallner, Martin getting full play instead of Margot scraps, E-Rod, Helman, Keirsey, and maybe Keaschall, or Camargo). But on the SP front, as it currently stands, we could 2-3 deep into St Paul's rotation by mid-May, and down to Randy Dobnak before you know it. This team needs another SP3-4 who is healthy and will post 160 competitive innings far more than we need another has-been OF or 1B who simply acts as a blockade to better/younger talent. (Lorenzen was that guy last year, and he got paid under $5 million.)
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Maybe you protect Henriquez, but if Tonkin doesn't pitch well, I can see the Twins going the waiver route with him, and being ambivalent about the outcome; if someone claims him, Tonkin's guaranteed money comes off the books, if not you assign him to St Paul (a slightly cheaper version of the game they play with Dobnak when they need him). I do disagree about the biggest need on the Twins, though. Their rotation has two solid pieces (Lopez, Ober), Ryan returning from a shoulder injury (which even if healthy likely means innings restriction), Paddack who last had a healthy season of over 110 innings in 2019, SWR who save the season but wore down big time, and a couple rookies getting their first longer run in MLB (Festa looked up to it, Zebby looked like he needs more AAA). The single biggest need on the team is for a solid and healthy #3-#4 SP who can give the team a chance while tossing 160 innings. Several were available at bargain rates before the season last year, and we need to push the depth line down a notch or two the way we started 2023 with Ober in St Paul. All other positions have in-house possible (and cheap) solutions, and can also be remedied relatively cheaply in-season, but trying to find an SP near the deadline is both expensive and often futile. (And yeah, I know the future is brighter, but counting on multiple SWR-like seasons from Zebby on down in April/May of '25 is asking for huge trouble. The 'pen isn't the only place likely to be visited by injury.)
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For a while I was in the "tender, then trade Castro" group. (Love what he brings, though Rocco seriously overuses him and others in a position shuffle that hurts our defense.) But unless they feel they can dump Vasquez's contract, non-tendering Willi seems one of the easiest ways to save money. I also think the post-Diamond Sports fallout is still going to have several teams in a tight budget situation, and like last year, several good players are not going to find the free agent market they expected. If that happens, any off-season trade market for Castro at $6 million is likely to collapse. So now I'd non-tender Willi, keep open lines, and look to bring him back at a much lower number (or wish him well). I'd take the same approach with Tonkin, and tender the rest.
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Adams was definitely a surprise for me, but the OP was right about people being protected; it is about their fairly immediate use to the team, and their chances of getting taken. (Some on other threads are posting as if the Twins released players who weren't protected; José Miranda wasn't protected the season before he lit up AA and AAA and paved his way to the majors. As a Twins prospect, because he wasn't picked.) Definitely curious to see the plan for Adams come ST.
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Not worried at all, and curious if the Twins might be active on the claiming side this year. Moran might get grabbed, but while I remember some dominant outings, he could follow 3 Ks with 4 BB in a heartbeat (and as I remember it, his minor league control numbers were worse than his MLB outings).
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What Did Michael Tonkin Ever Do to You?
PatPfund replied to Matthew Trueblood's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I like Tonkin, and wouldn't mind seeing him back at all. I just don't want to see the Twins walk down last year's trail locking up fringey bullpen arms early (when exactly nobody else is clamoring to sign them). Keep lines open with Tonkin, but focus on need, which for me is a healthy, innings-eating SP3/4. I still think if we'd signed Lorenzen last spring, we win the division, but we couldn't afford his paltry $4.5 million salary, because we wasted it on clowns like Jackson, Staumont, and Margot. Our current rotation is Lopez, Ober, Ryan (a guy coming off a major shoulder injury), Paddack (a guy coming off 5 years of major elbow injuries), SWR (who was great but wore down big time), Festa (a kid with a handful of MLB starts), Zebby (a kid who looked in-over-his-head), and Varland (who has guts, but has yet to show he is an MLB SP). I'd love another MLB-level arm to push the line down, the same way Ober was forced to start in St Paul in '23 (aka the year we won the division and a playoff series). -
Like many, I think Raya is a lock. Guess I'd put Rosario next at 50% (he could be seen as MLB-ready-ish, has a league MVP on his résumé and could play for the Twins this season; AA isn't that far off). I like Olivar, but given the rarity of position players chosen, you literally have to think he'd be one of the top three available in all of MLB to be chosen. And even if chosen, we get him back if he doesn't stick all year with his new team. On the flip-side, if we protect him, then need the 40-man spot before Olivar is MLB-ready (so 2 years?), we have to put him on waivers, and expose him to being picked at a time other teams might have more flexibility (and no need to keep him on their active roster all year). I personally wouldn't put him on the 40-man, and wouldn't even consider any of the others listed.
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