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Nobody thinks there’s a savior in St. Paul. Lewis is the closest to that and he’s rehabbing. I think what everyone is saying here is that had the Twins just let him be what he is he’s probably our starting CF right now. MAT wouldn’t have been signed and we’d be realizing that this guy and Julien at the top of our lineup create a lot of opportunities to score runs! He’s not gonna hit 20 bombs but he’s not gonna kill innings and he’s gonna be on base. ALOT! Probably not a superstar but a very solid RH bat. Which is what we should’ve got at the deadline. He’s not as good of a hitter as Arraez but he walks more and plays better D. I don’t remember anyone clamoring for Arraez either back in the day. Why? Cause he wasn’t seen as a superstar with elite power. He’s now the best hitter in the game. Just saying. Good players can come out of nowhere when they bring certain elite skill sets not centered on flashy stats.

There’s a reason he was a stud at vandy. There’s a reason he was looked at as a 1-1 pick in the draft. There’s a reason Toronto started him at AA right away. There’s a reason the Twins wanted him in that trade. The Twins screwed around with him trying to get more power out of him and playing him at SS. As a result there’s a reason why he struggled for the last 2 years. I think he dropped in the draft because of his power profile as well as not having the ability to play SS. I don’t believe the Toronto scouting staff is inept. They started him in AA for a reason. They identified right away what he was and what he wasn’t. The Twins then got him hoping he was more than he was. If you look at his minor league stats he’s the perfect guy to plug into this offense. .256/.388/.350/.738. BB/K at 129/159. And those are his numbers trying to hit for power for who knows how long. Even if you drop those numbers a bit with a big league transition he’s still better than 1/2 of this team.

I think our infatuation with power and whether a guy can play SS should be over. This team by this time next year will probably have 4 SS capable people who are better than Martin. He’s not playing SS. So that’s irrelevant. He’s not playing 2B as that position is even more blocked. If he starts he’s gonna play CF or LF. He’s not gonna hit for power and that’s ok cause he’s gonna walk about as much as he strikes out. I see a guy who’s gonna hit .250 and get on base at a .330-350 clip and play solid defense in the OF. He’ll be good on the bases and be a gamer. He’ll make contact with a guy on 2nd or 3rd to move the runner along instead of trying to hit a 5 run homer. I think he’s the exact player we need after this season where everyone fails to put the ball in play. I’m so over the power aspect of prospects and power approach we have. I’m fine to go back to the 00’s twins hitting approach instead of everyone trying to hit dingers every AB.

It’s interesting how the Twins messed around with him trying to squeeze more power out of him. If he would have been allowed to be himself would he be in CF this year instead of MAT? Everyone and there mom realized what he was when he came here. An OBP machine! I’ll take Martin without any HR’s over a guy like Gallo 100 out of 100 times! I’m excited for what next year brings if the Twins clear the way for the young guys.

If one has ever watched the playoffs we all know it’s about momentum. Seattle last year is a prime example. When Yordan hit that HR they were done and one could say it helped propel the Astros to the WS. Or when Harper hit the HR against San Diego. Lots of other plays happen but momentum is a huge factor. The Twins have the starters to stay in games and the star power for a big hit. It’s the bullpen that worries me. But, there’s always a chance once you’re in!

Unless they go on a playoff run I think we’ll see a very different team come 2024. I think FO will still be in but the days of Kepler and Polanco are gone. Gallo retires when nobody signs him. As well as maybe Baldelli and company gone. Find a spot for Lee and Lewis to coexist on the roster without having to play 4 different positions. Varland will be in the rotation. Figure out if Wallner and Larnach can PLAY. Buxton will live and die in CF once again. And hopefully the bullpen can figure something out with another year of guys trying their hands getting key outs. No tear down but kinda what everyone want has wanted. Maybe a FA rotational piece and buy low guy sprinkled in there. If they make a postseason run….well, we’ll burn that bridge when we get there.

Looks like they are gonna ride with this team and look to 2024. This team has potential, hell, it’s the same team that we came into the season with and like Seth stated if everyone is even playing close to their potential they will run away with this division as they should have from the get go. They will have to look around the room at each other knowing nobody is coming to save them and they will live and die with those same guys in the room. That’s intimidating for sure! But, could also pull a team together as well. If nothing else we’ll see who sinks and swims and the off-season and 2024 will become crystal clear since I guess it hasn’t already.

Well, not what I expected but yet maybe it’s what I expected. I thought they’d make at least one deal but this deadline was weird. With Cleveland looking for addition by subtraction I guess the AL central will try to see what the lowest amount of wins can get a team into the playoffs. With that being said we all know how it is around here and even if the Twins won 5 World Series titles in a row we would still be clamoring how someone made a wrong move so I guess at this point we just strap in for the ride.

I don’t think Polanco will be back next year. And if Buxton can’t play CF anymore then I would add him to that list as well. He’s a perfect 1-1 with another vet on a bad deal in the offseason. If he can’t play the field that is

Probably costs the Twins a couple higher Rated prospects though. If they think he’ll hit like this the next couple years then absolutely! Pham could probably be had for one or two 15-30 ranked prospects. They both provide value at different cost levels for sure

Thomas or Pham seem to be the only fits here. I would lean towards Pham at this point as a rental and try to package Raley in that deal. One would suspect that’s the move. I can’t see them getting Thomas at this point from Falveys comments and I wouldn’t give up what the nationals probably want for him either.

“They should maximize their chances with measured aggression on deadline day.” agreed! Good article.

What would be even worse is if the buying Twins lost the division to the clearly selling Guardians.

Well, Wallner is gonna stay in place for now with the injury to Kiriloff. Also, he’s one of their best hitters at the moment. They are not moving any big name prospects. Falvey has said that they will make “baseball” moves. A LH relief pitcher and a RH bat. That’s what they need and all reports are that’s what they are shopping for. If they can get Raley and Pham for Larnach you make that trade. It helps the team. It doesn’t move the needle much but it helps tremendously short term while not sacrificing much long term.

I agree totally! Probably would have had to part ways with another big prospect on top of what they gave for Mahle though. Marte was a top 10-20 prospect last year so put in place another one of the twins top guys from last year. Hindsight 20/20.

I would trade Wallner and Larnach along with any other prospects not named Lee just to not have to watch Gallo strike out every 30 AB’s this year.

It sucks that those 2 prospects are doing good in light of what happened to Mahle but who were the twins supposed to get? Who were they supposed to trade? What prospects would everyone here have traded? SP’s are expensive and if they would have done nothing everyone here would have been saying the opposite. “Why didn’t they get a SP?” Yeah they lost the trade. Lots of teams lose trades. This dead horse isn’t rideable any longer. Can we put the stick down yet?

On G&G they were talking about Boras wanting to make the rounds and possibly trying to squeeze on the 5% overage allowance. Seems like something Boras would do but even then. Sign the kid. The most respected scout in twins history gave him an 8. You go over for that and get him to Florida!

If Ryan gets tradedthen we might as well shop the whole team. Fire Falvine and the whole coaching staff. Oh, also might as well sell the team while they’re at it. After that we’ll all pick a new favorite team and we can revisit being a Twins fan in 4-6 years. If we haven’t already traded Walker Jenkins yet that is.

Wow! Nice scouting report! Definitely could be a steal for sure. He seems to slow his motion a bit on the curveball but still. Really refined if that’s him at 18. The easy velocity on the fastball and the bugs bunny action on the curveball. Wow.

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They always do a big spectacle for the top picks don’t they? Will probably see them at target field for a signing day and a round of BP before heading to Florida.

Like when they sent down Larnach early in the season even though he was leading in RBI’s. Let’s be honest he wasn’t tearing the cover off the ball and RBI’s are what they are but still. He was driving in runs and wasn’t as putrid as Kepler and Gallo.

Julien is a perfect DH candidate. Send Buxton to the IL until he can play the OF. Give Polanco 2nd back until he gets hurt again. Let him walk after the season. Lee slides into 2nd base next year. He won’t be back in time to build any value unless we can find someone similar to the Twins who like trading for damaged goods. Lol

Well you’re still not following the context of the original conversation. You refuse to read previous posts while just posting your own snarky comments. So I guess I have no other choice but to explain this to you as if you’re a child walking in during the middle of a movie. Person A suggested trading anybody you could get a good deal on to play for next year instead of trying to take advantage of this year. Person B suggested that they should take advantage of this pitching staff by maybe adding 1-2 low level guys and make moves on the fringes maybe. Posing the point that we really don’t have the depth in the minors or majors to make the type of moves that this team perhaps should make if they’re going all in. Person A then suggested that they should listen on everybody and build for the future. Person B floated the idea that in order to get mlb ready prospects the team (Twins) would have to trade players that were worth something which would degrade future teams and they would be forced to tear it all down and wait on prospects. Person A and Person B came to a consensus that with the depth the team would either have to completely go for it this year or tear it down and build a better future team. I’m paraphrasing this but something like this happened. Enter Person C (you). Wanders in trying to figure out why one would trade Jeffers. Person C is confused at how this thread had come to this and instead of figuring it out chooses instead to just make comments on one small piece of the conversation calling others snarky all while being irritable themselves.