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  1. As stated above I used Archer as an example of bad decisions/planning by the Twins, not innings pitched or pitch count. You are running cover by comparing things other than pitch count which is what I started at, if you actually believe the stats you put up mean the Twins are doing it the right way or the same way, or whatever it is being called, that totally ignores that the Twins starters are doing that while pitching less pitches, Bundy last time out 71 pitches a jump of 4 from the last time out, Ryan 82 which was a jump of 12, Ober 70 which was actually of drop of 12. I don't care about Archer pitch count because of signing late, injury, short spring training, Covid, blah blah blah. This thread was about Bullpen usage and I have been saying Rocco is terrible and using examples of not being prepared for a piggy back, removing a pitcher that is breezy though a game with 70 pitches to bring in a inferior pitcher, Or just flat out missing their starting pitcher is tired and bringing them back out only to pitch a 1/3 of an inning and get in trouble. I can't stand Rocco and I know this jades my opinion, but I have been saying the same thing about him going back to 2019.
  2. Two starts zero piggy backs so far and he pitched 4 a 4 1/3.
  3. With my math he was at 58 after 4, So basically he was maxed out around 60, Which means the Twins should have had a piggy back setup for him, and they didn't. That isn't on Archer, that is on Rocco, and Johnson.
  4. To clarify, my comments were not pointed at Archer, just using him as an example or them making bad decision. It was pointed directly at the Twins MGMT. I assume Archer gave his all and it seemed to surprise the Twins he was done a bit prior to 70 pitches. And their plan was what for a pitcher that needs to be pulled after 70 pitches? My point about posting pitch counts of other teams is that Ryan, Ober, Bundy all have been limited while other teams have been letting pitchers pitch, and Twins fans run cover for them.
  5. Kershaw was perfect though 7, quite a bit different than Archer gassed after 4 and high sixties in pitches. Fried 7 -93 Buehler 5 - 79 Bumgarner 5 - 83 Josiah gray (who is this guy) - 5.1 - 87 Cobb - terrible in the 5 around 50 pitches Megill - 6 -87 Cole Terrible, Det bullpen game Wainwrigth 5.2 - 92 Luzardo - 4.1 - 88 Kikuchi -5 91 Eovaldi - 4.1 -95 Brubaker - 5 - 94 Burnes - 7 - 107 Rays/Cubs bullpen and terrible start Sandoval - 4- 85 Valdez - 4.1 - 80 Gibson - 6- 90 Freeland - 5 - 87 Scherzer - 7-102, Web 3.2 -75 Ellis 4.1 -62 zero runs (Hey Baltimore has got the idea) Irvin - 5 - 95 Sanmartin - 5.1 - 86 Musgrove - 6.1 -94 Gray 5 - 77 (4 runs), Ray 6 - 85 That is the starters from yesterday and Twins fan are still using short spring training and cold weather, its gross!
  6. Shouldn't they have seen that in 4th? and if he is going to be gassed at less than 75 pitches, is the starting rotation really the place for him?
  7. If the Twins are not bombing home runs all over the place, Rocco pretty much fails as a manager, IMO. for full disclosure I didn't see the game last night, but my goodness Archer is a 33 year old man with over 1200 MLB innings and Rocco doesn't have the confidence in him to pitch to a rookie hitting around .150? If that is the kind of confidence you have in your starter you might as well tell him sorry Chris, but your now a bullpen guy because unless if you are absolutely perfect after the third inning I am going to pull you from the game.
  8. And (not sure if this is true or not) Rocco seems to pick the wrong relievers to bring him.
  9. Ober was pitching what I call a unicorn game, less than 12 pitches per inning and the Twins still wouldn't let him go out in the 7th. If he takes 12-18 pitches in the 7th that still leaves him at 82-88 for the game, is that too many pitches for somebody that has given up 4 base runs in 6 innings? Doesn't this seem like the perfect type of game to see how he does in the 7th? But instead they turn to the game over to inferior pitchers and get blown out, now I get the Twins offense was horrible and with that had no chance of winning, but isn't there a time and place to see if you starting pitcher has the ability to pitch in the 7th? There is a decent enough chance they will let him go 80 pitches in less innings in his next start. This game is a bit different than Ryan on Friday, because Ryan was already at 82 pitches, and if he is brought back he is likely to end up very close to 100 and the expectation is Duran might be an upgrade on him at this point.
  10. Super happy as a Twins fan that Dereck Rodriguez has pitched 3 more innings than Josh Winder this year. I 100% agreed with him starting in the majors because I thought there was a plan for him to pitch, but since there really didn't seem like there was one, I would rather have had him in St. Paul starting a game or two by now.
  11. He should be playing 5 out of 7 games, Only at 3B when they are resting Gio (which should account for 1 game), 1 in left and 3 at DH, and 2B whenever they rest Polanco. It doesn't seem that hard to get him playing time, for sure right now with AK, Sano and Kepler slumping.
  12. I was all for having him in the majors, but unless there is some plan to get him into today's game, they should have had him in St. Paul pitching some innings.
  13. My take is it might be a while before a Twins pitcher has a quality start. (Hope I am wrong)
  14. Besides Duffey the Bullpen has been amazing, 12 1/3 and 0 runs, but lets not get ahead of ourselves yet on the starters, yes it was their first game, but only Ober made the 5th and his ERA is 7.20, Ryan's ERA is 4.50 which I would assume everybody including me are expecting that to be sub 4 this year. Gray is 3.86 which is good. (If Bundy, Archer and Paddack can do what Ryan did (or better) I would say it was a pretty successful first time though the 6 starters.
  15. You may be right (even though quite a few pitchers on other teams were throwing 5 innings already in spring training) and I think you are correct with some of the young guys, but if this is the future of baseball with the shifts and what not, MLB should be very concerned about keeping people interested in watching the game. People and fans love stars and if they are removing half that equation, well....
  16. Agree he doesn't move the needle, but I guess he is quite a bit more than what the Twins could/will get from Strotman/Sands/Smelter, I have high hopes for Winder if they let him pitch more than 3 innings a game.
  17. I would argue that Sands isn't young, he turns 25 in July. Not a super inspiring team, outside of Lewis, Miranda and Balazovic (maybe Larnach) Hopefully the major league team doesn't have many injuries and Lewis, Miranda and Balazovic play so well they force the Twins to make some decisions.
  18. Kind of sounds a little like last year. If Happ and Shoemaker can rebound, stay healthy and give quality innings, this rotation is solid for the regular season. It is not a post season rotation though. Need one of the young guys to take a step up and be the next Randy Dobnak. Sounds like Ober is close and Alcala will open with the big club in the pen, hope they get enough innings to stay stretched out. Hate 5 and fly pitchers, but we will see way too much of it this year I hope it goes better than last year, but last years top 3 felt better than this years. (Berrios, Maeda and Pineda)
  19. I love comparing Twins prospects to Hall of Famers, it works out so often. j/k Hoffman didn't start being good until he was 26, so Moran is right on pace or maybe ahead since he turns 25 in less than a month.
  20. Agree with this, when they drop back to 26, are there any pitchers with options left besides Duran and Winder? It would seem weird or maybe bad roster management to have to cut pitchers/put them though waivers when then roster drops down instead of sending pitchers back to AAA? Would that maybe give Moran a better chance of being on the opening day roster than say Jax, Cotton or Stashak? Or maybe the thought is every team will be doing this so it would be easier to get guys though waivers? Or could Sanchez be given the DH job as a prove it, and if he doesn't he is one of the cuts?
  21. Quite of few of the comments seem Eerily similiar to the comment last year after signing Shoemaker. IMO, it would be better to start with Gray, Ryan, Bundy, Ober and Winder and have the plan be Archer in the pen and move into the rotation if injury or if one of the starters stumble. That way if Archer is bad in the pen, they could get rid of him before suffering though a bunch of bad starts.
  22. I want some combination of Buxton, Polanco, Correa at 1-3. verses Lefties 4. Sano (1B) 5. AK (LF) 6. Urshela (3B) 7. Sanchez (DH) 8 Kepler (LF) 9. Jeffers (C) verses Righties 4. AK (LF) 5. Arraez (DH) 6. Sano (1B) 7. Kepler (LF) 8. Urshela (3B) 9. Jeffers (C)
  23. For this scenario to work, don't the Twins have make a bunch of moves, getting a second catcher, probably trading Sano, so AK can play first, and hoping Rooker and or Laranch are a capable LF? Possibly move Arraez? Seems like a lot just to get a not very good hitter to DH? To me he makes no sense on this team if you have Sano. A back up catcher that can't catch and currently can't DH because you can't start both of your catchers, can you?
  24. If AK is not healthy, he also isn't a major league player. Gordon is a backup, and if somebody gets hurt he slides into a starting role, and who slides into his role? Rooker right now is a starter, unless the Twins plan to have both of their catchers in the starting lineup daily or Larnach starts in LF, Sano at DH and AK at 1B. As for Jeffers, I would prefer he starts as the back up catcher, until he forces his way to the main catcher. I have nothing against young guys, I am not a fan of throwing a bunch out at once and hoping it works, is usually doesn't, or it does but not in the near future. If you think the way the 40 man is constructed as of today is good and well prepared for a 162 game schedule, that is great, I don't but we don't all have to agree, which is what makes this great.
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