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  1. TwinsDr2021
    Honest question on 3rd time thru the batting order ERA or any time though the order. If the 7,8,9 hitters get on base (lets say their second time up) and the lead off hitter hits a homer, are the runs the 7,8,9 hitter counted to the second time though or the third time though? As for the question on apparent, I would say that is more of an assumption. For example George Kirby came out in the 6th inning (last night Seattle) with batters 5,6,7 due up he got the first two and was taken out after walking the 7th guy this after giving up two runs in the 5th, those two extra guys he faced helped bring his TTO numbers down as opposed to not letting him start the 6th. In the other game talked about Phillies/Reds, both pitchers came out for the 7th one to face the 6th (walked), 7th, 8th and 9th batter, the other to face the 7,8,9 batters. Both of those pitcher's TTO numbers improved by facing the bottom of the order.
  2. TwinsDr2021
    To put this into a bit of context. Numbers of times facing the position in the battering order. 1 - 15 2 - 15 3 - 9 4 - 8 5 - 4 6 - 3 7 - 2 8 - 1 9 - 0 So they are asking him to basically face the first 4 guys in the batting order three times but nobody else, shouldn't the numbers be very badly shewed? That is like asking the pitcher face Arraez, Buxton, Correa and Miranda 3 times, but noting allowing him to face Sanchez, Gordon Celestiono, and the rest of the team. Which totally explains why his numbers are so terrible this year. I am not saying he should or should not go further but when pointing something like this out it helps to have context, don't you think? How many people know he has faced the first two batter combined more than the other 7?
  3. TwinsDr2021
    You say that like it is True, I would argue that they are the more opposite then the same of the Twins. McClanahan started last year (24 year old Roolie) almost exactly like the twins treat all their pitcher for 8 games, but since has averaged facing 6 innings and over 23 batters faced. Kluber has average 5 1/3 and 23 batters faced. Rasmussen is similiar to the Twins pitchers but then they go with a starter for when their starter isn't great.
  4. TwinsDr2021
    thanks, good info!
  5. TwinsDr2021
    Out of curiosity are there any Twins minor league pitchers doing much more than this? (5 innings)
  6. TwinsDr2021
    I have lived without the Twins on TV for that last couple of years (HULU) and I will continue to do so, Won't pay anything more to watch them. If I want to catch part of a game I will head to my low brew pub have a beer or two with my wife and watch for an hour or so or head to planet fitness and walk on the threadmill for a hour. What baseball might learn is that looking at the box scores and talking about baseball is just as fun as watching some of the product on the field.
  7. TwinsDr2021
    I see the smart run teams trying to use one relief pitcher for 2 innings if the starter goes less than 6. That sets up the bullpen better for the following days. You can look at the box scores the last few weeks and see this happening (Even with the Twins)
  8. TwinsDr2021
    Here is the list of pitchers for the Twins that have faced 26 batters in a game. Smeltzer (1), Bundy (3), Gray (1), Ober (1) that is it six for the whole year. Just yesterday here is the list of pitchers that pitched to at least 26 batters Lodolo, Suarez, Lynch (against the Twins), Contreras, Marquez, Valdez, Lauer, I would guess most people couldn't name half of the teams these elite pitchers pitch for? But lets move the criteria down to 25 batters faced in a game shall we, the Twins Ober (1), Paddack (0),Smeltzer (2),Archer (0),Bundy (3),Gray (2),Ryan (3) that is 11 for the year, now lets again look just at last night. Remember there were 7 that went 26 or more so will be just adding the guys that faced 25 batters to the list. Kirby, Quantrill, Scherzer, Odorizzi, Rodon. There were 15 games yesterday and 12 pitchers faced 25 or more batters and I think we can agree they all are not elite pitchers, the Twins have played 116 games and have 11. You can do this exercise every day and see the same results, two 2 days ago it was 12 pitchers that faced 25 batters, the Royals have two pitchers in a row do it. It is funny when people throw out statements like they are true without backing it up. Edit - Mahle had faced 25 or more 7 times before coming to the twins.
  9. TwinsDr2021
    I will give you this game is similiar to the twins because both guys were pulled after 20 and 21 batters faced, And Stripling being pulled is very similar to Gray. EDIT: Which I have said over and over it is fairly common what the Twins are doing, it just seem they are doing it to the extreme or with all of their pitchers.
  10. TwinsDr2021
    So the 1.1 of the time, got it. Lodolo had already faced 24 batters and Suarez 23 and Gray only 20 so not exactly the same thing, and the Twins were winnings so maybe the 1.1?
  11. TwinsDr2021
    I was saying the numbers you threw out for those starters without adding the years was misleading. You are not wrong on Gray he hasn't been much more than a 5 inning pitcher since 2019 and his numbers would probably be closer to Ryan or Bundy if he was asked to go another inning each start. My point isn't to say the Twins are doing it right or wrong, just that not everybody does what the Twins do. Would any Twin pitcher have came out in the 6th like Lynch did today? In a 1-0 game today Philly and the Reds used 5 total pitchers any chance any Twins pitcher would have came out for the 7th like both did in that game? Or both pitchers starting the 7th in a 0 - 0 game between the Orioles and Jay?or would the Twins been closer to what the Cubs and Nats did today? I am betting 8.9 times out of ten it is option 3.
  12. TwinsDr2021
    What you said is kind of misleading, Cobb signed a two year contract for 20 million, DeSclafani signed a three year contract for 36 million, Kikuchi also signed a 3 year contract for 36 million with the first year being 16 and the next two 10. Paxton signed a 1 year 10 million deal with a club option of 13 million or 4 million. JA Happ signed with the Twins for 8 million. One could argue pitches that are limited in innings are limited in earning, no? It seems the going rate for a good 5 inning pitcher is around 12 million, it seems much, much higher for guys that god longer and are better. FYI, I am not arguing for or against the Twins philosophy just pointing out facts.
  13. TwinsDr2021
    I agree with this statement it isn't Bundy's fault that everybody got hurt and forced him up the chain thus making him look worse than he is. I think most teams (maybe not the the top few) would say for $5 million I get a 5th starter that doesn't miss a start goes on average 5 innings with an ERA of 4.76 (knowing it is that high because a 1/3 of his starts are probably crap) would say sign me up.
  14. TwinsDr2021
    Correct, it is about money and I don't see the Twins spending that kind of money and keeping to their philosophy and any pitcher that takes the Twins money instead of the money offered by a winning team who allows them to be who they think they are (assuming the money is close) I don't want anyway.
  15. TwinsDr2021
    What is you are saying is not completely true, not all teams handle their pitchers the same way as the Twins, that just isn't factual. OR there are way more elite pitchers than we all believe. And/or the Twins pitchers in general are not very good but that might say more about the FO then the pitchers? All Twins starters average between 21 and 22 batters face (ALL of them minus Archer), yes depending on the game sometimes they go higher (NOT MUCH THOUGH and sometimes lower. I stopped counting at 30 guys that average 24 over more batters per game and yes they have the same starts at going higher and some lower, that is significant number. I am 100% agreement with you that players chase the money, but when the money is close to the same, many other things go into it and IMO how teams pitching philosophy players into that.
  16. TwinsDr2021
    ? he isn't signing here! (or degrom and probably not Rodon) I was just saying how do you explain to the prospects you brought up though the system that they have no chance of being him ever(in a Twins uniform), because they aren't going to let them. That was my point in bringing in Vets and them telling the young guys to bad so sad.
  17. TwinsDr2021
    Listening between the words, I took that he wasn't saying the average innings was an issue (when he said change wasn't bad), I am thinking he was saying when he is on he can and should do more. (In the last few years that hasn't been something that has happened a lot)
  18. TwinsDr2021
    I would expect free agents and their Agents know what the Twins philosophy is and IMO that would keep away the top free agents from signing here and why the Twins end up signing who they do. Got to assume Gray and Mahle have talked about this since he got here and based on the interview I agree with @Battle ur tail off that Gray won't be a Twin in 24 unless things change, and there is always the chance he demands to be traded this off season to a team he believes will allow him to the be the pitcher he thinks he is. ) IMO this could be one of the reasons Berrios isn't a Twin. I believe this front office does so well in trading for pitchers is because they see pitchers that they believe are being overexposed by other teams and think they can reduce their load and make them great 5 innings pitchers. I also believe that is why they won't pay "big" money to starters, why pay a starter 20 million a year to average less than 6 innings, it just doesn't make sense and how to they sell their philosophy to the rest of the starting staff if they let one pitcher do things they don't let the others.
  19. TwinsDr2021
    Ryan is at 22.15 batters faced a game. Gray is at 20.39, but if you remove the start he got hurt it goes to 21.18 Bundy is at 20.8 Both of Mahle's starts have been 22. Smeltzer's 12 starts is at 21.33. Ryan has only pitched to less than 20 batters 3 times in 19 starts. Gray has only pitched to less than 20 batters 3 times and one was the start he was injured with only 7. Bundy has pitched to 18 or less 6 times in 20 starts Smeltzer pitched to 19 or less batters 3 times.
  20. TwinsDr2021
    All the Twins starters minus Archer average right around 21/22 batters faced a game, maybe that has more to do with Rocco trying to get them to end an inning. Look at Gray last night he was right on his average of 22. The issue with averaging 21/22 is that you have to be damn near perfect to pitch 6 innings. In a normal 5 innings that is the 15 guys you get out give up a four hits and a walk and you are at 20. Most of the time that gets you taken out after 5. If in this scenario if you have a low pitch count and haven't given up a run, you may come out for the 6th, but you have to know you likely will be taken out if a runner gets on. If the batter after a guy gets on is left handed (since all the Twins starters are right handed) you gone for sure. If you are watching the game and follow this logic, you will be right over 90% of the time on when Rocco's pulls the starter. Last night Gray was at 20 batters faced 80 some pitches, you knew he was coming out for the 7th because he he was at 20 batters faced and a right handed hitter due up then two lefties, The only way he finishes the 7th is being perfect, Rocco actually let him go one batter longer than expected but you knew after the second hit he was gone.
  21. TwinsDr2021
    I hope Sonny Gray isn't allowed to talk about his time with the Twins to an top end free agent pitcher, any chance he signed and NDA?
  22. TwinsDr2021
    I like all three, but I zero chance the Twins sign any of them, the second set of guys are not much different than the Mahle, Gray, Ryan group, you are looking at 5/6 innings guys max. If they aren't going to let Gray work out of a little trouble last night in the 7th up by 3 after basically being perfect for the first 6th, they aren't letting anybody. How could the twins sign a Verlander and say to the rest of the team there are different rules for him then the rest of you, and we aren't even going to give you are chance to be like him?
  23. TwinsDr2021
    What if he is telling the truth?
  24. TwinsDr2021
    What pitchers are you thinking?
  25. TwinsDr2021
    "The team has the payroll flexibility to make a deal work, but the Twins also have quite a few options in the outfield." Are you talking about the sames one from the last two years? Because I would say the Twins have very few options for outfield and that is why Gordon, Cave, Beckman, Garlick and Celestino have played so much. Would take any of these guys with a short contract and big money, maybe two would sign 3 year 110 million, probably not but we can dream.
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