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At this point I think bullpen is more important and I am not trading Miranda for bullpen help. I can't imagine a pitcher like Montas signs an extension here without some guarantees that he will be allowed to be a traditional type starter and not a guy that gets pulled on pitch count or number of times though the lineup. Would the Twins do that? Should they do that? I wouldn't be afraid to trade some of the seemingly injury prone type pitching pipeline for help.

You left out the minor detail that Berrios was 22 and Sands will turn 25 next month. You don't have to DFA him, but could use him as part of a deal to get a relief pitcher.

If Oakland would take Sands, Steer and some non-40 man young prospect and the Twins haven't done that, the FO should be fired. I don't believe the A's would take that deal, I think they would laugh and hang up. The Twins got Martin and SWR for basically the same pitcher, so I would assume the Twins would have to give up something close, do the twins have anything close? Besides those two guys? I don't think so. So IMO the Twins would have to Offer a Winder/Ober/SWR and Martin. So basically to get Montas they Twins will have had to trade Berrios last year and not have any major league play from the guys for the first 60 plus games this year, can't in a 100 years see this front office doing that, and they shouldn't.

I wouldn't trade AK or Laranch for a relief pitcher, I wouldn't give up a major league player for a relief pitcher either. I would try to win them over with minor league pitchers, starting with Sands.

101 pitches for Sands does that officially mean the Twins are done with him? "This was his best start ... I thought he threw the ball really well." Rocco, He gave up 5 runs in 4 2/3 and that is his best start, not a good sign, I have enough of the Sands experiment, time to see if another team thinks this 25 year old pitcher is worth anything (he will be 25 in a month) I will add sitting Buxton and Correa at home on a Saturday was unacceptable (it worked Saturday), Me and my son were planning on going but we waited to get tickets until the lineup was announced and then decided not to, Had no plans on going today since Sands was pitching and that was going to be a loss no matter how well Buxton and Correa played, sure I get they were facing a lefty today and Saturday was a day after a night game, blah, blah, blah, but am not paying full price to see that lineup.

It is good to see the held SWR to 69 pitches, can't have the minor league pitchers getting hurt.

Seems exactly the type of pitcher the Twins like ?

I think for sure they ask for the players you mentioned and maybe more. I wouldn't include Ryan in a trade for either, I wouldn't want to include Winder either, but might if the other players are lowered ranked than Duran/Steer/Martin. Would the Twins be willing to part with Ober? of the three major league starters he would be the one I would be most willing to part with, I just don't see him staying healthy. (But other teams may feel the same), Going with the Median - The trade simulator loves Ryan (32.2) and Lewis (33.2) (and Kepler(30.5) for that matter), but ober, Winder and Balazovic are 15.8, 17.6, 15. Based on that it would take two of them plus another top prospect, or one of them and Martin plus another prospect. All seems like overpaying and too much prospect capital.

Anybody but Duffey, but prior to last night this guy has pitched in 5 games, three against Detroit and two against KC, not sure that taken for anything more than what it is.

It seems like the are treating the minor league pitchers like they do in the majors, couple of times though the lineup with a pretty low pitch count, Seems like they are setting up the pitchers to get injured, 100% effect for a short period. This is my opinion IMO this is the type of player you fast track though the minors, He is already 24.

Why is a 24 year pitcher mowing players down to the tune of a 1.99 era averaging less than 5 innings a start and still in high A?

agree, his comment was moronic. Unlike the Pagan's comment that seems well thought out and informational (if if you don't like or agree with it)

If they haven't done it in a year and half, what makes you think they would do it for 3 games in early June? If you were somebody that hadn't gotten the shot and then watched a quarter of your team that has the shot get Covid, would you run out and get it or take your chances again (Kepler had Covid once before for example) As for the games, losing Kepler could hurt, but the others guys, seems much to about nothing. And the Twins IMO took advantage of Canadian rule, but being able to start a guy they couldn't have before, plus maybe the relief pitchers can stay back and work on getting better.

Not to be a jerk (and I am vaccinated) but isn't that the most common, long-term effect of getting Covid, not dying?

? but it is worse then lame it is lazy and sad considering how many vaccinated Twins have gotten COVID. So congrats Stu at bad humor and breaking the rules of the site.

He is 3rd on the team in innings and has an ERA of 4.19 (The exact same as Ober last year and just above Ryan, without of the upside of course) so I think liability is a bit harsh, but I think they way the Twins have handle his starts is up for much discussion, but that could said just about all the starters. They seem to have a plan if the pitcher is decent but not bad or good.

With Winder's injury and the teams handling of starting pitchers, I don't think really think they have to worry about him getting to much more than 100. Unless of course they make a deep run in the playoffs, but that is something that can be worried about later. IMO pitchers 25 and older should be able to do more without worry of injury, unless of course they are injury prone, which seems to be a lot of the Twins prospects.

If the plan by the FO and/manager is to continue to start Archer, they better have a guy ready to pitch the 5th, 6th and 7th, because using the bullpen to get the last 5 innings is problematic and will overuse the pen.

Not sure why you replied to my message, did I gripe about Baldelli? NOPE! I gave valid reason somebody might have that opinion, you do understand it is OK for people to have differing opinions? Not sure why you used quotes around lots of people think it, you actually quoted it and then misquoted it. I know quite a few people that love Rocco, quite a few that can't stand him, and quite a few that are still giving him the benefit of the doubt, All of those are perfectly fine opinions to have. Also when replying to my messages, please try to be respectful.

based on one game, one series, one month this is a bizarre take, I 100% agree, basing it on the whole of his time here isn't bizarre, might not be the same take as others, but it isn't completely off the wall since quite a few people have the same take.

I said they needed to end the month 14 -6, if they win today it will be 13 - 7, which is decent enough, and doing it with hand or two tied behind their back (injuries/covid) is good. If they can go 11 - 10 in the next 21 days and get healthier that IMO should be considered a success, and set them up for a good end of season run. As for the game did anybody really think the Twins were going to win this game with Sands pitching and lineup that included Miranda, Jeffers, Palacios, Gordon, and Garlick? I didn't!

I assume this really isn't a problem because this is how baseball is played by all teams. Short starts, over using pitchers that aren't that good, and light rail ride between CHS and Target field?

One could argue, he has been one of the worst Twins relief pitchers this year. A guy that can't pitch 5 innings shouldn't ever be considered a starter. (He can start games, but when the guy starting has no chance of getting the win, he is IMO a relief pitcher, and sadly one of the worst on this Twins this year)

Well he was back to pitching in October and had a healthy off season so sure they may be injury concerns or limits, but they let him go 77 pitches two starts ago, so I would expect part of the stretching out means pitching a bit more each start? Not sure how 77 pitches in start 6 of the season, means you don't let him start a fresh inning at 8. 100% agree with you are Smith should have came in with Duffy struggling.

He had pitched 77 and 74 the two prior starts, so 104 is might a stretch, but he was at 80 averaging 11 pitches an inning against the bottom of the order. If now isn't the time to push him further when is? when he is not having a great game and has a high pitch count in the 4th or 5th? The context is this was his 8th start this year and the three guys coming up were hitting .160 , .224, .201 and he was pitching amazing and every fan knew the pitcher coming in was worse, The other starter in the game is 25 and hasn't pitched a game with less than 81 pitches, it is lazy for people to say this is how baseball is these days because it just isn't true. Hunter Green is 22 and has had 2 starts less than 80, Nestor cortes, pitched 109 pitches last night and has been above 99 his last 4 starts, German Marquez has pitched less than 90 pitches in his last 2 of his 7 seven starts. Tarkik Skubal is 25 and has pitched 90 plus in 6 of his last 8. Konnor Pilkington has pitched at least 83 in his last two starts and has been terrible. Eric Lauer hasn't pitched less than 83 in any of his 8 starts, Ohtani has pitched over 90 in his last 4 starts, and only once less than 80 in his 8 starts, Kyle Wright's only start this year less than 86 was his first and that one was 76. This was just pitchers in last night games, and doesn't include vets like Montas, Perez, Nola, Wainwright (all went over 96) or pitchers that were terrible or Ryu. I went back to few games all this week, and 80 pitches is closer to the low end of pitchers that were pitching good. IMO the decision to pull Smelter was more about they got way more than expected out of him and Rocco thought it is best to pull him before the house of cards fell, instead of trusting the starting pitcher that was pitching awesome. If that was the case they should have brought in Duran for 2 innings, again IMO.