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  1. This is not meant to be negative, but Balazovic will be 24 in just over a week, Dobnak is 27 1/2, Sands just turned 25, Winder will be 26 in just over a month, Varland will be 25 in three months, and Smeltzer will be 27 in two days, shouldn't guys in this age range absolutely be dominating AAA? The Marlins starting whole rotation for example is either 24 or 26 and Seattle and Houston each have 3 guys in this age range. With guys that the Twins and fans are excited about being in MPLS sooner than later I would expect domination from this group. (Varland is, and Winder has been good minus a couple of homers)
  2. I guess that is my bad because I thought the article was about - Did The Twins Manufacture a Top Pitching Prospect? He might be a Twins top pitching prospect, it will be interesting to see if he makes any top pitching prospects lists?
  3. I think calling a guy that possibly won't see the majors until age 25 - "Did The Twins Manufacture a Top Pitching Prospect?" is moving the goal posts. If he ends up making the Twins and being a good starting pitcher or relief pitcher that would be wonderful and credit should go to the FO and him, I am not trying to take anything away from him, just trying to be realistic on expectations. And as of now there isn't a spot in the 2023 rotation (Ryan, Gray, Mahle, Maeda, Ober, WInder) so either he starts in the minors or the pen and if he starts in the minors and comes up he will more than likely be a 4 - 5 innings starter which is fine but not what I define as Top Pitching Prospect.
  4. McClanahan basically spent 1 year in the minors at age 22, correct? and yes at 18, 19, 20 and even 21 Webb wasn't a workhorse but he was in the majors at 22 and by age 25 is averaging over 6 innings a start. You are 100% on the innings pitched in the minors, but when you tie innings to age you do get a different story. I don't expect SWR to pitch the same amount of innings at 21 that I would expect out of a older minor league pitcher ( I would expect he is working on completely different things), but if that doesn't jump next year, then the odds say he is just another pitcher. I will say the Twins for the most part treat their minor league starters like they do the major league starters, which IMO isn't a good sign for the Twins minor league pitchers to be an ACE type pitcher, are you really expecting Joe Ryan for example to average 6 plus innings next year? I hope he does, but I wouldn't bet on it, not because of his skills but the Twins philosophy. In Varland's case he is fighting crazy odds to become a better than average starter, if a starter at all, it just doesn't happen for guys that debut after the age of 24. (yes there are a few, but it is very, very rare and I hope he is the exception)
  5. How old was Pablo Lopez in 2017? That is right he was 21 and Varland will be 25 in December. deGrom is the odd one because he was so injured in the minors and didn't debut until he was 26 Scherzer debuted at 23 , Verlander at 22, Kershaw at 20, Gausmann at 22, Bieber at 23, Rondon 22, Cease at 23, Fried at 23, Alcantara at 21. Are these really they guys you are taking about, comparing a 24 year old to a 20, 21, 22 year old isn't the same. Also is it weird Varland started the 6th more in 21 than 22 and once even pitched 7 innings?
  6. He was a 15th round pick in 2019, what did I post that was negative(?) that he averages 5 innings a start at 24 years old in AA and AAA, aren't those facts? Of those 13 times he came out for the 6th he finished the inning 6 times and has 4 quality starts. I gave my opinion that I thought he would end up a relief pitcher and that it seems hard to develop top end starters when you treat the minors league pitchers like you treat the major league pitchers, is that a way out in left field take am I missing all the talent evaluators calling him the next McClanahan, Gilbert, Manoah, Webb types? He averages just over 22 batters faced, just over 5 innings and 85 pitches a game, do those numbers look familiar? They should because that is basically what the Twins major league starters do. I am not complaining about what the Twins are doing, it is what it is but to pretend that after he gets to the majors the Twins are going to do something completely different than what they are doing now seems a bit naive. I wish him the best of luck and hope I am wrong!
  7. Does that change the fact that it is going to be super hard for them or others to develop a top end starter?
  8. I find it very hard to call an almost 25 year old that averages 5 innings in AA and AAA as a top pitching prospect. As a fan I hope he makes it and does well, but I find it hard to believe he will be anything more than relief pitcher how can you take a guy that you have held to 5 ish innings (not testing them with the TTO) in the minors to something more than that in the majors? To be honest I don't know how this team will every develop a top end starter with the limits they put on the minor league pitchers.
  9. It is good to see they got 9 innings from the AA and AAA starters. (Combined that is)
  10. He is 21 so he has 4 years to be the prospect the three in the article mentioned. </s> Only in MN are we talking about being patient with prospects this old.
  11. First I would like to say I was very happy with the Twins moves, but Syndergaard has given the Phillies 30 2/3 in 5 starts (not the greatest numbers but innings have to mean something) as opposed to the 14 1/3 from Mahle, and Jordan Montgomery has 30 2/3 innings with 1.76 ERA and I would also say Robertson and Raisel Iglesias have been better than Fulmer or Lopez.
  12. I would argue it has be less about Covid and more about about injuries and development of their pitchers. Other teams have seem to deal with the Covid year much better.
  13. I agree with this, the seats under the FO will get warm before his and rightfully so. (And I am not a fan of Rocco)
  14. Tough question, the most innings he ever pitched is 115 in 2019, so would it take him a year or more to build up to a 150 inning pitcher? I can't see him being more than a 5 inning type pitcher next year, like Ober has been and would they really double his innings next year?
  15. To me the twins have to figure out SS ASAP, then they can make a decision on Urshela. If Correa leaves and the Twins decide Jose Palacios is the SS, I want nothing to do with Miranda/Palacios left side of the infield (what is Plan B to that?), with all the other unknowns (AK, Jeffers, Laranch, Lewis, ect....) If Correa Stays or they bring in another SS then I say give Miranda 3rd. At least Plan b can be Lewis.
  16. Is pointing out facts really negativity or more of a realist? He is really old for a top prospect, not hitting well at AAA, and not fast and not a great defensive outfielder. Plus very few players that turn out to be anything get to the majors at age 25 or older so most might temper their expectations based on these facts.
  17. The problem with is that Gallo at Wallners age already had over 100 MLB homers and and WAR of 10 and besides his age 27 season has been terrible since. Gallo was playing in the majors at age 21 and if Wallner doesn't come up this year he will be 25 at the start of next season, so I don't see how the two compare at all.
  18. That lineup looks terrible and the pitching staff doesn't do anything for me either, and did you leave Ober off for a reason?
  19. The problem with this statement is the Guardians seem to have starting pitching that doesn't care much who their opponents are and go out and pitch deep into games. Where am I at now? telling somebody to turn off the lights on the way out, this party looks to be over, but I am just going around the corner for some food, in case the party starts back up, but not really expecting it to.
  20. True he has pitched 3 innings in the FCL hasn't given up a run, so there is hope.
  21. Are you trying to be funny here? Stashak(28) has 72 MLB innings and has 9 holds in 4 years, Moran is in the minors, Alcala (27) looks like there is potential but has pitched 87.2 innings has 1 save, 11 holds and 5 blown saves. (and some innings from Winder) The Twins success has come been 126 innings from Ober, 53 innings from Duran and that is pretty much it, all the rest have basically come from trades.
  22. I don't think the Twins can count on Maeda, Ober, Winder or Dobnak for anything more than mop up innings the last couple weeks of the season if that. I would expect at least two starts or multiple relief innings in the minors and if that would probably have to happen by next week, if they haven't started that by September I see no chance, unless Ober comes out throwing like 100 and the Twins rush him up. Fingers crossed Larnach can come up and do well, it might be important for his future with the Twins.
  23. Not that it is a huge difference but he turns 22 next month, which is still plenty of time to get a good major league pitcher, but as I have posted before the older a prospect debuts the less chance it becomes to be a star.
  24. Sorry I meant to type ALL Stars. Miranda was drafted in 2016 and AK in 15, both prior to this this FO, as was Pressly, Escobar, Dozier, Gaterol (all used to get others, Buxton, Sano, Rosario, Kepler, Polanco, Berrios, Arraez, Garver, Gordon ) but that really wasn't point, my point was All Stars. And Royce Lewis was the first pick in the draft 2017 which they also inherited from the previous regime. This FO has done an amazing job of trading for players, there is no doubt, Obo, Maeda, Duran, Alcala and others, but drafting and FA are real questions right now.
  25. Isn't this more a shot at the FO than anything, I mean there is no denying they were given some talent when they signed on and if the argument is they don't have enough, that has to fall squarely on their shoulders correct? The only stars they have brought in are Odo (2019), Cruz(21) and one could argue Maeda in 20. That is it all the rest were inherited from the previous FO.
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