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  1. I think we know of 4 pitchers destined for TJ surgery next year </s>
  2. Should The Twins Look to Upgrade From Kyle Garlick? Yes, for sure, absolutely without a doubt. The guy will be 31 when the season starts and has done nothing to this point in his career to display he is anything more than an injury replacement level type of player. I can't see any team that is even pretending to compete giving him a major league job. Which that said good luck Kyle on your future.
  3. Losing teams 7 (two runs 27 batters faced 85 pitches) , 6.1 (zero runs 22 batters faced 96 pitches), 5.2 (4 runs 24 batters faced 79 pitches), 4.2 (7 runs 21 batters faced 80 pitches) Winnings teams pitches - 108, 102, 75, 99 What this tells me is nothing, other than good starters pitchers should be given a bit more lee-way than less than stellar starters and that in a very short series don't blow though your best relief pitchers if it isn't necessary. Also if the Twins don't feel like they have a guy or two that can go seven innings when needed next year, well good luck to the bullpens guys.
  4. Hopefully they all go there and do well. Neither Martin or Julien are players I consider young. Both will be 24 very early next season so this is a pivotal time in their career, if they can go to the AFL and do well and have that carry over into early next year (Like Wallner) that could be exciting. If either struggle early next year I wouldn't consider them much of prospects and more likely just utility type player. If Wallner is not starting for the Twins next year he better be bashing and forcing the front office hand to get him up.
  5. These playoffs could be a sign, teams love to copy cat other teams, and there are teams in this playoffs that let some of their starters go a bit longer, used a starter or piggy backing when less starters, teams that had guys run more (stolen bases, getting players moving on the pitch). If that trend continues in the playoffs and works, then teams might be willing to try that a bit more, they won't being going back to the 80's style, but front offices and managers might see that pitchers pitch a little different when there is a chance the guy may steal or when players are moving behind them. I heard a former pitcher (sorry can't remember his name) say it is way easier pitching with guys on base when you know there is little to no chance the guy is stealing, your whole repertoire is available, you can throw a curve down and away for example.
  6. So the twins traded Garver (3.3) and Donaldson (23) and got back Sanchez (9), Urshela (6.5) and got Gray (12) and we are still talking about the only reason the Twins could afford Correa was trading away Donaldson? If the Twins didn't trade Donaldson they could still of afforded Correa, maybe they couldn't have taken on Gray's salary, but people keep saying things that just aren't true and claiming they are facts. Yes, when you trade for players in the last two years of a contract you can looks at the trade that way, sure maybe Gray and Mahle are great next year and the Twins go on to do good things, but both of those trades count against 2022.
  7. Sorry I was not saying they couldn't go and down if needed, hopefully not because that means they probably aren't the pitchers we are hoping they are. I was saying taking up 40 man spots for guys that old that are only the backup plan for the major league starters is not a wise use of the 40.
  8. Winder will be 26 when next season starts and Varland 25 they need to be on the Twins or traded away. You can't have guys that old taking up 40 man spots and be in the minors. I don't think either should be traded so that means I believe they need a spot on the major league team to start the season.
  9. You don't have to worry about Petty, The Reds allowed him to pitch 98 innings at age 19, so his career is basically over. It is my understanding if you jump from 5 innings to 98 your arm will be ruined fro for life, at least that is what I have read. ?
  10. I had two predictions Pre Gray and Correa and Post Gray and Correa. Pre- They couldn't be worse than 2021 but wasn't sure they were going to be that much better. But five games should have been easily enough to do without Colome between 78 - 80 wins. Post - Both guys should be able to add 3 wins. So 84 - 86 wins and maybe a few more by adding at the deadline. So the ended about where I originally thought minus spending 35 million, trading away a first round pick, Steer (3rd round), Hajjar (2nd round), Povich (3rd round) , CES (4th round) and Gipson-Long (6th round pick). That seems like a huge price to pay for just adding 5 wins from the horrible previous year.
  11. I 100% agree on paper it looks much, much better, but if you dig into it it looks a little different. First the good news Ryan shouldn't be on any innings or pitch count (I mean outside of the magical 100). Now moving onto to Gray, he shouldn't be on a innings limit because he will be 33 next year, but he only pitched 119 and 135 the year and has made 26 and 24 starts. So you have to assume he will be hurt and miss multiple starts next year, if anybody goes into next season thinking Gray will start 30 and pitch over 150 innings you are pie in the sky crazy. (Yes, it could happen but everybody should be prepared and planned that it won't happen. Mahle, If healthy should be on not limits, but again he is 28 and only once has made more than 25 starts and pitched over 130 innings. So that maybe seems like there are some question marks on a full season (30 starts and 180 innings) is it more than 50/50 it will happen? IDK but I am planning on not. Ober will be 28 in July, basically been hurt every year of his career will be on some sort of innings and pitch count again. Winder another guy that has been hurt and will be on an inning and pitch count again. Maeda coming back from injury and minus 11 starts in 2020 (and his rookie season of 2016) has pretty much just been a decent pitcher and I imagine will be limited in some way. Varland will be a 25 year old rookie and there really shouldn't be a reason to limit him, they probably will, just like they did this year. So what you are calling Pessimism is probably more realism. I hope everything goes right for each of this pitchers, but that is all it is - blind hope. I look at these pitchers and say yes this doesn't look to bad, but there better be a back up plan for every one of these pitchers minus Ryan, and besides SWR and Cole I am not seeing that coming from the minors, so my skepticism is they bring more Bundy/Archer types in and hope the young guys force them out. (Rinse and Repeat of the last two years)
  12. IMO this is not true, they had the pitcher that finished 2nd in the CY, they had a future 100 million dollar pitcher, they brought back Pineda, they brought in Happ and his 3.57 ERA in 2020. And they had the pipeline to fill any needs (Ober did just that). Plus they brought in Colome and Robles to solidify the bullpen. They had basically the same lineup that won them the Division in 2020 and brought in Simmons. To say they weren't trying to win 2021 is revisionist history at best. What you are trying to sell is that this FO coming off of a Division title decided to bring in Happ, Colome, Robles and Simmons but weren't really trying?
  13. So are you saying you don't like the Twins self-righteousness and headstrong insistence on there's only one way to play baseball?
  14. I can't believe anybody is looking for the Twins to play that style of baseball all the time, just asking the Twins to play a bit more situational baseball, but if they are you are correct they are watching the wrong games.
  15. IMO there are two prospects in that list SWR and Henriquez, and I most excited about SWR. At 21 year old doing well at AA and AAA is always exciting. Duran is the best pitcher of the group but he spent the whole year in the majors so I don't consider him a prospect. The rest are all over 25 years old and still trying to prove themselves, so either they should have a job with the Twins next year or probably be gone, no reason taking up a 40 man spot on that old of pitchers that aren't in the majors. IMO
  16. Completely meaningless IMO
  17. Is there any person that doesn't think the Twins should let their starters go longer in certain situations? (not all situations) Trying to manufacture a run now and then isn't asking them to play a different style it is asking to them to have the tiniest bit of situational awareness. For example on at least 4 occasions the Twins ended a game down by 1 with multiple runners on with a fly ball to the warning track, that is going for a homer when a single wins or extends the game and that terrible baseball. You are correct on your second paragraph I didn't read your post the way it was intended, I apologize.
  18. More fun facts, this year Ober has pitched 17 1/3 (3 games) against the Sox, given up 7 hits, 2 walks, struck out 20 and given up 3 earned runs for a 1.55 ERA. Cueto (prior to the 6th and 7th innings yesterday) had pitched 16 2/3 innings against the Twins given up 21 hits, 3 walks, struck out 16 and given up 10 earned runs for a ERA of 5.40. And there is some model that says pulling Ober after 82 pitches and turning the last 4 innings to the bullpen is the best play? I don't buy it!
  19. Really? If nothing changes philosophy wise and the Twins won the world series the nay sayers (me included) would give him his rightly due props, we still might not like the way the game is played/managed but I know I am a big enough person to admit when I am wrong. The question is if nothing changes and the Twins don't at least win a playoff series next year (at minimum) are the Rocco backers going to admit it doesn't work or will they claim next year is another rebuilding year?
  20. To be honest the playoffs are a completely different game, unless the score is out of hand the starters even the best aren't pitching super deep into games. It just so happens that the Twins play just about every game as it was a playoff series and that doesn't work during a 162 game schedule, if with the best bullpens.
  21. so in this scenario where do 27 year Ober, 26 year old Winder, and 25 year old Varland land in the bullpen back in the minors? If they Twins signed a Rondon/Bassitt (which I don't think they will) Gray has to be traded. They have to give the Ober, Winder, Varland and SWR a chance it isn't like these are young guys (except for SWR) and if they move them to the pen well that means there is no pitching pipeline and this FO has completely failed at its one job that we were promised. They have to let or teach these guys and Ryan how to pitch deeper in the game and I am not saying into the 8th or 9th (I mean that would be great) but the 6th and 7th. And last night would have been the perfect night to let Ober go out for one more inning, and who cares if he would have gotten shelled it would have been a great lesson.
  22. I haven't seen one person on this site or in daily life that say/type don't use analytics. Also haven't seen anybody say Rocco has ruined the game. You are generalizing the fans that are unhappy with the results for the last few years with broad sweeping stereotypes. Which is not dis-similar from those that say the Twins are doing exactly what other teams are doing while leaving out the facts that the Twins are at the far end of the spectrum of the all teams. To be honest I don't think anybody is really asking the Twins to play a different style of baseball, I believe what people are asking to incorporate things when situation calls for it. When your team is struggling with its offense try to manufacturer a run now and then or instead of always looking for the big inning try to steal a run now and then. Also claiming 2021 was some sort of rebuilding year is just false, and the Twins basically spending more than they ever have and trading prospects away in 2022 means it also wasn't a rebuilding year but this has more to do with the FO than the manager. As for fundamental baseball, IMO that has more to do with hitting the cutoff, throwing to the correct base, running the bases, and generally not looking like a little league team in the field and bases. Sure being able to actually bunt a ball, execute a hit and run, or a sacrifice fly could be considered small ball but sometimes it is called for in a close game.
  23. The question - How Can Rocco Baldelli Regain Twins Fans Favor? Well the only way to regain favor with this fan is walk away. I haven't like his managing style since like day 14 of his first year and when you see the guy just doesn't have it you have to make a change. I was also calling for Zimmer's job for the last few years because it was obvious the team could no longer win with him and I think it is obvious the Twins can't/won't win with Rocco.
  24. Wasn't trying to say it was Ober's fault, but you can't say Ober was good or solid and not say that Cueto was frickin amazing, right?
  25. I love the Ober pitched a good game talk, sure it was a decent 5 inning start, but what Cueto did was an actual good game. Having the starter going 7 and handing over the last two innings to your studs is so much different than going 5 and handing the last 4 innings to a crap shoot of relief pitchers. Not bring Ober out for the 6th was just another dumb mistake by this team, please tell me if I am wrong but these are the same guys he blew away last outing. This decision/game is the cherry on top a sickening season.
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