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  1. TwinsDr2021
    Well he did give up a run in the 6th so it would be justified if they took him out. ?, There is zero, nada, zip chance he would have those stats with the Twins. But lets look, after 5 he had faced 20 batters and 80, which is exactly what Ryan did the night before (20/78) and he was taken out. But they were losing 1 - 0 and he had only given up one hit and two walks, So I say Rocco would have brought him out for the 6th but for sure would have been taken out after the hit and maybe after the walk. I will say it does seem like Rocco tries to get his starters the win, there has been a few times were I was almost certain based on batters faced/pitch count that he would take the starter out after inning but bought them out the next to give them a chance for a win. (Not often but it has happened)
  2. TwinsDr2021
    The disagreement has nothing do to with last nights game IMO, if you walk 5 games in 5 innings you probably aren't coming going out for the 6th for most team. It is just another game asking your bullpen to come in for 4 innings, which isn't a problem in any "one" game, the problem comes from it happens every game with 4 of your starters and the 5 starter generally requires even another inning from a relief pitcher. And the main reason a relief pitcher is pitching in the 4,5,6 innings are because they are failed starters somewhere along the way and they aren't going to be perfect every single time out. IMO other teams have realized that you can't do that with every starter, you can do it with a couple and maybe a third you need to start a nontraditional starter. But you have to have a pitcher give you that extra inning occasionally just to limit the use of those guys in the middle innings. As for Archer he is tied for the team league in starts with 18, the team is 7 - 11 in his starts. Once Winder went 4 after him, Cano went 2 and 2.1, Jax went 2 twice, Minaya 2.1, Duran 2 and Moran 1.1. So in 8 of his 18 starts (which they knew were going to be short) they followed him up with a multiple inning pitcher.
  3. TwinsDr2021
    Is that really any different then claiming the Twins are doing what everybody in baseball are doing? Because I can name close to 20 others pitchers similar to him, but can't find another team doing what they Twins are doing with every one of their pitchers. Yes teams do exactly what the Twins do with pitches limit the amount of batters pitchers face, keep pitch count down. The Tigers have two guys one turned 24 this year (also a Rookie) and another that is 25, that average more batters faced and innings than any Twin. (Skubal and Brieske) and yes they aren't in the Verlander territory, but go though their game logs and notice when they don't go 5 plus innings generally the team loses.
  4. TwinsDr2021
    It will be interesting to see how the Twins pitch Mahle, on the year he averages over 5.5 innings, 97 pitches and facing 23 batters (all above any Twins average), But you only take his last 14 starts (not his first five, where he wasn't very good and was getting stretched out) those numbers jump to 5.85 innings, 103 pitches and facing 24+ batters. So I guess will see if the Twins philosophy changes when they get "better"/different pitchers. (I really, really hope he is good tonight so we can see)
  5. TwinsDr2021
    Looking at the team below the Twins, all seem to have 4 starting pitchers and use the 5 spot of a non traditional type starter. Which is very similar to the teams above them, it does look like at first glance the closer you get to average the less non traditional starts there are. I don't see that they twins have done that unless you count Sands and Chi Chi's starts (but both were basically just bad).
  6. TwinsDr2021
    Thanks for the laugh this morning Seth.
  7. TwinsDr2021
    The way I look at it is if you are going to use 4 relief pitchers (at minimum) every game, one is bound to be bad almost every night, so if three suck one night, the twins should be good for another game or two before another one blows up. Also I cant imagine why teams didn't think of limiting a starter to 5 innings and using 4 relief pitchers to end a game way before the last few years, it seems like a wonderful formula. </s>
  8. TwinsDr2021
    Thank you for the research. What this tells me is that the Twins aren't doing it like everybody else, They are doing it similiar, kind of to other but not the same. I look at it just to get to league average (if you numbers are correct) That 65 innings would be all 5 starters going 1 extra inning in 13 of their starts. But more realist would be the top 3 going an extra inning in 17 starts and the bottom two going an extra in 7 starts. So just to get to the league average, Gray and Ryan this year (assuming 45 more innings (65 * 2/3) from their starters so far this year) would need to have gone an extra inning in 15 games each, and another 15 from all the other starters. Does this really seem like the Twins are doing what everybody else is doing? And remember that is just to get to the league average. On a side note people keep talking about the 3rd time though the lineup. I posted a week or so ago that the Twins Starting pitches average around 21/22 batters faced a game and the only outlier is Archer who was around 18. That means the Twins feel their starters can face the top 3 or 4 batters on a team 3 times but not the bottom of the lineup, that seems very unfair to the starters for example if the Starters were pitching against the Twins they would be facing Buxton, Arraez and Correa three times but no the likes of Urshela, Laranch, Sano, Gordon, Celestino, Sanchez and Jeffers just to name a few. When you dig into the numbers it kind of seem people are making up stuff to run cover for the Twins and what they are doing or if the numbers are pointed out they will say injuries, rookies, pitch limits, etc is the reason. In this post I am not saying what the Twins are doing is right or wrong, but saying NO not everybody is doing what the Twins are doing, yes certain teams treat certain pitchers the same or even multiple pitchers the same but not every pitcher.
  9. TwinsDr2021
    I think this FO has done a really good job of finding prospects that make the majors or look like a for sure thing to make the majors, which is great for using those players to fill needs on the major league roster. What they have lacked it seems is the future all star type talent. This FO inherited all stars and silver sluggers all over the diamond, what they didn't inherit besides Berrios and maybe Gibson was starting pitchers. Again for the most part this FO has used minor league players to supplement that with some good trades and thus have kept this pretty competitive the whole time they have been here. What I hoped was that by now the 17, 18 and 19 draft would have produced more or maybe higher quality by now (yes Jeffers, Larnach, Winder and others have shown some promise, I get the high school kids would be still pretty young, but the college kids are getting old fast),
  10. TwinsDr2021
    They got 2 years of Gray (with the first option to extend), Just over a year of Mahle (with the first option to extend), and over 2 years of Lopez (with the first option to extend). That is close to 6 years of big league play. Going by the odds it is not very likely they other teams get over 6 years total from those guys, going into next year two the three recently traded guys will be 22, 23 and 23, not old by any means but if they aren't in the big leagues in the next year or so, they odds of them being stars aren't that great either. Don't know this to be true, but guessing in most drafts a teams first 5 picks don't usually all make the big leagues, lets hope in this case the one that doesn't make it is the one the Twins kept. You can't make these kind of trades all the time or probably even often but it also shouldn't destroy the future either doing it a couple of times here and there.
  11. TwinsDr2021
    If you DFA Pagan he would be picked up in a second. (Duffey not so much), but I believe there are not too many teams that have somebody has good as Pagan as their 5th/6th best relief pitcher (Lopez, Duran, Jax, Fulmer, Theilbar). The guy has 55 K's in 37 innings, Now I wouldn't trust him in a late pressure situation but in the 5th and 6th, I would rather have him than most anybody else.
  12. TwinsDr2021
    IMO Duran is the prime example if you have a guy with a filthy arm he doesn't need to toil in the minors trying to become a starter for years, bring them up put them in the pen and work on the secondary stuff with the major league coaches. I will assume he could throw 100 the whole time in the minors and had a pretty good curve, but not the others pitches to succeed as a starter? If he proves he can develop that third and fourth pitch stretch him out and give him a chance as a starter later on. I agree with this article the pen looks real good, I hated pagen in the 8th and 9th but as a 5th, 6th or even 7th inning pitcher he is awesome, along with the rest, now Rocco just don't burn them out ?
  13. TwinsDr2021
    To give Rocco credit (Which I never do) maybe he is talking about stretching out differently then we/I am thinking. I think of stretching out as being able to pitch more pitches in a start and in Archer's case it isn't like he is pitching that many less pitches than the other starters, it is that it takes that many more pitches per batter to get an end result. His 77 pitches were almost exactly what Gray (79), Bundy(78), Ryan(82), and Sanchez (81) pitched in the last starts. So maybe what Rocco means by saying "working on stretching out", he means Archer figuring how to better maximize his pitches to have shorter at bats and thus being able to pitch longer in games. I guess I am feeling way more positive today then normal because of the trades yesterday.
  14. TwinsDr2021
    I really hope he doesn't believe that or he doesn't believe anybody that follows Twins believe that.
  15. TwinsDr2021
    Can we all agree going forward that Archer should pitch only 4 inning no matter how good he is going and we won't complain if he is pulled after 4 even if he has a no hitter going?
  16. TwinsDr2021
    I will add if this trade comes back to haunt the Twins because Povich becomes a good/great starter and the Twins are short starters, it say more about this FO ability to develop starters than this trade.
  17. TwinsDr2021
    ?, with that being said I am good with the twins trading another prospect years out to put Robertson in the pen this year and if he is good sign him to a cheap deal next year.
  18. TwinsDr2021
    Dyson started one game in the majors in 2013 and pitched in 376 total games.
  19. TwinsDr2021
    I am guessing there is little to no chance is in the majors next year. He has a ERA of 5.38 in high A, he will be 23 when next season starts and is averaging less than 5 innings per start.
  20. TwinsDr2021
    To be honest I was never on the get a top end starter, mostly because I don't think the Twins would change their philosophy of around 21/22 batters faced on average a game. Maybe they could try for Rodon and abuse the crap out of him the rest of the year (think Brewers with CC) and let him walk, but I don't think they would do that either. I have been on the need relief pitchers and need them fast and would have been willing to overpay the last few weeks, still think they need relief pitchers but waiting until the last second wasn't the right play IMO because if they get another Dyson situation there is no fixing that, but if they got a guy a few weeks ago, well then they still have the deadline. As for the prospects, it is somewhat depressing they have no real top end type talent close, and I am guessing people are going to be saying that is because they graduated some many guys which I would agree with if those guys would have been top end talents unless I am wrong only Lewis and AK were considered top 50-100 guys, I mean Martin and SWR were but lets not go there.
  21. TwinsDr2021
    I would rather the Twins get into the playoffs then not, but I totally get what you are saying. The question I have for everybody is who are the prospects in the minors that are going to help this team be great and when realistically is great? could the Twins trade 5 guys in their stop 30 and still be OK or is that the end of building? For me next year looks quite a bit like this year, hope the starting pitchers stay healthy, hope the younger guys get better (Larnach, Miranda, Jeffers, AK), Lewis is healthy and wins a starting spot (somewhere), and maybe have a couple of pitching prospects step up. To me I see the 23 Twins in a similiar situation next year as they are this year, by this I mean in first or fighting for first with all three teams being a little better than this year. With that said I am not trading Lewis (unless it is for Othani or Soto) but anybody else could be traded for the right deal. There are plenty I would trade for a guy for 2 months, but most would require some team control.
  22. TwinsDr2021
    The only prospect I am offering for 2 months, is somebody that projects to be a 1B or DH type that is striking out a bunch in the minors, or maybe a utility type player, but no way and I offering an athlete for 2 months.
  23. TwinsDr2021
    Before today this team was 1 and 3 (now 1 and 4) and prior to that they were 3 and 3, with two of the wins against the Tigers and the 3 loses to the White Sox. That is is 4 - 7 in the last 11, but 2-7 against anybody not named the Tigers. So I can excuse people for their complaints when generally things haven't changed.
  24. TwinsDr2021
    Based on these stats, Gray shouldn't even be allowed to come out for the 5th, but if they do he should go 7?
  25. TwinsDr2021
    I agree with not wearing out your starters, look at what the Padres did last night they are so dumb, Musgrove pitched 6 innings and 96 pitches and faced 23 batters, that kind of crazy usage will end up with him getting hurt and not being able to pitch in the playoffs, and not be 100% for his next start. /s
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