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  1. TwinsDr2021
    Bieber drafted 4th round in 16, started 18 games in 18 averaged over 5 2/3 innings a start. Cal Quantrill drafted 1st round in 2016 started 18 games and over 5 innings in 19. Zach Plesac drafted 12th round in 2016 started 21 games in 2019 averaged over 5.5 innings per start. Aarom Civale drafted 3rd round 2016 started 10 games in 2019 averaged over 5 2/3 innings per start. One pitcher like that to go along with guys like Ryan, Gray, Maeda that they have brought in. Then Ober and Winder and all the rest of the pitchers that haven't gotten hurt and are being held back look that much better.
  2. TwinsDr2021
    I think one of the main issues is in 2019 the top prospects were Lewis, Kirilloff, Graterol, Javier, Larnach, Rooker, Duran Thorpe, Enlow, Gordon. And of those 10, Graterol was turned into Maeda, Gordon and Duran were good this year, and the rest haven't done anything (yet?) The guys 10 - 25 have turned out better, Baddoo, Mirandd, Celestino, Jeffers, Arraez, Alcala, Littell, Wade, Jax and Rotvedt.
  3. TwinsDr2021
    He doesn't do a lot for me, I like that he is a young 22 and has a high K rate, but he seems like a relief pitcher going forward. Hope I am 100% wrong on that.
  4. TwinsDr2021
    Well if they move him expect a ton of short starts, he pitched 16 innings last year and only 65 so far this year, can't see them doubling that next year. Or maybe next year they actually piggy back starters and don't blow out the pen by June. At this point they have Gray, Ryan, Maeda, Mahle, Ober, Winder and Varland I would expect to be ahead of him as starters plus Paddack coming back. but I fully expect Gray to be traded and don't expect them to bring in any starters except for back up in AAA. As for May he wasn't that great of relief pitcher not sure he would have been better as a starter. (His career ERA is 4.35)
  5. TwinsDr2021
    Is there any reason to put a 23 year old with a career in the minors of .220 BA, .294 OBP and .390 SLG on the 40 man and hit .209 in AA? I think not and I also don't think there is any reason to put a 26 year old career minor league player on the 40, unless of course the Twins plan on converting him to a relief pitcher.
  6. TwinsDr2021
    I assumed that was satire or sarcasm because nobody can think you can make up 7 games and jump another team in 17 games. Cleveland play KC 6 times and Chicago 3 times, ?‍♂️
  7. TwinsDr2021
    I am not saying move on from him, but him being a 1st round pick and a college star was 4 years ago. Larnach like just about every Twins prospect has performed enough to keep people excited and not want to trade him, but not enough to decide if he is actually worth a starting spot (Minus Miranda).
  8. TwinsDr2021
    He has done nothing as this time and should be nothing more than a Plan B at this Point. Hopefully he pushes into a starters job.
  9. TwinsDr2021
    Coming into the season they had a former all star catcher and top prospect, former all star at first and top prospect right there, the guy at second was coming off a 4.9 WAR, All world SS, third was manned by Urshela and Arraez, Buxton and his 4+ WAR in Center, A solid RF and top prospects in LF, Traded a first round pick for Gray, Had super rookie Ryan, Stud second year pitcher Ober and signed Bundy and Archer and all that was just to get to .500? Prior to trading Donaldson, Garver, Petty and Rogers I could go along with .500, but then they signed a 35 million dollar all world short stop, traded a recent 1 st round pick, Donaldson, Garver and Rogers and a prospect pipeline just waiting to explode, and my expectations went up to higher than .500, maybe not 90+ but higher than .500. Now I don't blame this on Rocco, think it lies more with the FO, which is why I believe he will be back.
  10. TwinsDr2021
    My guess for what is next with Rocco is that he will meet with the FO and they will talk about minor tweaks to their approach and he will be managing the Twins in 23 and it will be very similiar to the last three years (I don't mean results, but that wouldn't surprise me, I mean style, game decisions, etc..)
  11. TwinsDr2021
    Palacios is a 26 year old who has been in the minors since 2014 and at AA or higher since 2018, can we stop the talk that he is some sort of prospect. or solution for the Twins. He is a stop gap type player for a bad team and a utility type (Plan B/Plan C) for a good team and a AAA player for a great team. He can hope to be Niko Goodrum.
  12. TwinsDr2021
    This is exactly where I was last night,
  13. TwinsDr2021
    3 of the first games of the season Gio Urshela was hitting 4th.
  14. TwinsDr2021
    an both have been pitching in the majors since age 22 and 23, so the odds say they are likely to out perform the guys getting to the majors later (Winder/Ober/Varland for example)
  15. TwinsDr2021
    What about the outfield next year, that seems like a huge question mark again. If they go into next year with Buxton, Kepler, AK/Larnach and nobody else for the 3rd year in a row?
  16. TwinsDr2021
    I put this in another thread. Coming into the year the twins top 6 starters were. Gary - 22 starts Ryan - 23 starts Bundy - 25 starts Archer - 25 starts Ober - 7 starts Paddack - 5 starts Smelzter - 12 starts That is 119 starts of 139 games, and they traded for Mahle and got three starts. that is 17 games that basically they had to fill the rotation and if you add Winder that is down to 10 games. The problem wasn't the injuries it was the top 4 pitchers killed the pen and this FO and manager decided to fill that void with mostly 1 inning relief pitchers. As for the injuries to the offensive guys Buxton and Polanco hurt the most, but if you are the FO you really need a plan B and C for Buxton because we all know he isn't playing the whole year. AK, Larnach, Jeffers have never done anything in the majors so again you need a plan if they can't hit or get hurt, doesn't seem like there was one. In conclusion the injuries hurt but more than the roster construction? I am not so sure.
  17. TwinsDr2021
    Totally agree with this take as well. Cleveland for example this year top 6 starters were 4th round (2016), 1st (15), 1st(16), 12th (16), 3rd(16) and 3rd (18). (not all their picks)
  18. TwinsDr2021
    Again you are 100% correct, but by age 23 Kershaw had pitched 715 major league innings in the majors, 107 at age 21, 171 at 22, 204 at age 22 and 233 at age 23, Verlander in his age 23 season pitched 186 innings and 201 the next year, Scherzer is a better example he pitched 133 in AAA, AFL, and the majors at age 23. (I don't think Laweryson or any Twins prospects are these guys, which is fine that is a high bar for anybody) The amount of innings in the minors isn't all that important, what is important is building up to good amount of innings (arm strength/stamina/ect) and it is generally a good sign if that have done that by their early 20's. Fast movers that have built up their arm by the time they make their debut so they can hit the road running, generally end up being the better pitchers. Innings for the young guys (18,19,20) isn't as important as moving though the system and having success, so at 21,22,23 they are ready for full time major league starting (whatever that means in this day and age). Guys that do this at a later age I think of more as bottom of the rotation and bullpen arms (maybe great bullpen arms like Duran for example). I really hope this twins group of older prospects (23 and up) buck the trend and become super successful because is it great to good./solid starting rotation on the cheap.
  19. TwinsDr2021
    Again I agree Firing the manager won't sell any tickets, but keeping the same one might discourage people from going. What I am trying to say is selling the fans on the same team with the same manager is going to be tough sell. They are going to need to get fans excited this offseason to come back next year and winning games early might not be enough. (It wasn't really enough this year on top of extending Buxton, Signing Correa and trading for Gray, so in reality there might not be anything they can do this offseason, IDK.) Maybe the attendance issue (or not an issue) is bigger than anything the Twins do, I know people that won't spend money in MPLS and have zero interest in being there after dark,
  20. TwinsDr2021
    I haven't been a fan of Rocco since 2019 and I agree firing him and getting somebody else won't change much if at all how the Twins play. But the owners and FO have to hold somebody accountable for the last two years if they want to win the fans back to target field and firing the manager is usually the cheapest way to pretend something has changed and I can't see the owners firing the front office yet. So maybe having Ober/Winder/Varland pitch well the last few weeks, make a little splash in FA and fire the manager will excite the fans a bit to actually come to Target field. (At little looks at the Shiny object in my left hand while I continue to do the same stuff with my right distraction) If I was owner 63K in a weekend series against the Guardians would not be acceptable. The Gophers attendance against a FBS team was 43K.
  21. TwinsDr2021
    Agreed going forward this could be a good thing, hopefully WInder can stay healthy. I didn't list them because they were part of the pitchers that covered the 17 games and weren't part of the original six/seven starters It will be interesting where they fit in next year, but have all winter to discuss that
  22. TwinsDr2021
    Well on 9/12 the Twins are under .500 and 4.5 games back. Things could change but somebody's head has to roll after what happened in 21 and now the collapse in 22. So my guess is it will be the manager and not the team(FO) that gave him the players. I just don't see how they go into next year with basically all the same questions marks and the same Manager and expect fans to care. If you are wondering what I am thinking those question marks are (Lewis, Laranch, AK, Jeffers, Can Buxton stay healthy, can Miranda continue or will there be a step back, Can any pitchers staff healthy, how will all of the injured pitchers pitch next year and who plays short.
  23. TwinsDr2021
    The Twins have played 139 games and have gotten gotten 95 starts from Ryan, Gray, Bundy and Archer. If you add the 5 from Paddack and 7 from Ober before they got injured that is 107, meaning they had to cover 32 games, Smelzter covered 12 of them and Mahle 3, So we are really talking about 17 games and that is too much to over come? To me that say more about this front office than anything else or the lack of people that cover the Twins actually looking at the data. But that is just me getting sick of excuses.
  24. TwinsDr2021
    I agree, they still have Archer/Bundy/three rookies and Gray as their starting pitchers, generally not a good sign.
  25. TwinsDr2021
    He is basically what I thought he would, he is a 26 year old rookie so the odds and what he did last year said he should be a starting pitcher with an ERA between 4 and 4.50, and averages about 5 innings a start. He has only really had one real bad game a handful of clunkers and a handful of really top end starts. If he wants to step it up he has to become more efficient with his pitches, way too many games with really high pitch count and low innings. Next year is the year IMO that really shows who he is, is a 5 inning high pitch count guy, or does he figure it out and pitch a little deeper into games more consistently.
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