Article: Twins Minor League Report (9/8): Red Wings Season Ends (7 players recalled)

[Seth Stohs]

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[jokin]

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So many questions.

 

So.....they've already counted out Deduno to start out the season in the rotation in 2014?

 

Re:Ramirez...how many guys get 60-dayed twice in the same season?

 

How does Martis (definition of mediocre journeyman) get added to the 40-man over Ibarra?

 

No more Mauer at catcher this year, now that Fryer is called up, even though there aren't enough ABs for the catchers we already have up, why Fryer?

 

6-man rotation from here on in with both Diamond and DeVries back up?

[Rosterman]

Picture DeVries out of the bullpen.

 

Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

 

Why not Beresford.

 

The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

 

But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

 

Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

 

Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.

 

Hey, we saw the Rd Wings play in Minnesota this year!

Pitchers: Albers, DeVries, Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, Hendriks, hernandez, Thielbar, Tonkin, Worley, Robertson.

Cathers: Herrmann, Butera, Fryer, Pinto.

Infielders: Parmelee, Colabello, Escobar, Bernier.

Outfielders: Hicks, Arcia, Ramirez, Thomas, Mastroianni.,

[Seth Stohs]

So many questions.

 

So.....they've already counted out Deduno to start out the season in the rotation in 2014?

 

Re:Ramirez...how many guys get 60-dayed twice in the same season?

 

How does Martis (definition of mediocre journeyman) get added to the 40-man over Ibarra?

 

No more Mauer at catcher this year, now that Fryer is called up, even though there aren't enough ABs for the catchers we already have up, why Fryer?

 

6-man rotation from here on in with both Diamond and DeVries back up?

 

Being put on the 60 Day DL has nothing to do with 2014. Players have to come off of the 60 Day DL before the 40 man rosters are set at the end of November. Most likely Fryer and Martis will be removed from the 40 man roster following the season. (not Most Likely, it's what will happen) Deduno will come off of the 60 Day DL after the season. So will Wilkin (though they may DFA him too).

 

I'm completely on board with Mauer not catching any more this year, so I'm fine with Fryer getting a few at bats, backing up Herrmann and Pinto. They already said that Doumit likely won't catch the rest of the year either.

 

I'm sure they'll do a 6-man rotation. They should.

[Rosterman]

Is Gene Glynn being added to the coaching staff for the rest of September, by chance?

[jorgenswest]

Do they platoon Parmelee and Colabello? The must have a plan for him by calling him up. I know the sample and data is to small to have meaning. They must have assessed that Parmelee has made some adjustments.

 

Doumit not catching they rest of the year. I hope that will continue into next year.

 

Why 6 man rotation? Why start Pelfrey? He only auditions for free agency. The Twins must have assessed by now whether the would like to resign him.

 

How much time will they give Escobar at SS? Is it a given the Florimon should be the starter?

 

Hicks not recalled. I don't think it decreases the likelihood that he will start in the majors next year. Time off from a challenging year may help.

 

More arms in the pen. They might look to shutting down Burton. They need him to be better next year. They unnecessarily extended him last spring. He was under control for this year before the extension. Is he still worth 3.25 and 3.6 team option for 2014-2015?

[Seth Stohs]

Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

 

Why not Beresford.

 

The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

 

But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

 

Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

 

Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.

 

I can't imagine that the Fryer situation is anything like the Rene Rivera situation.

 

I would love to see Beresford get a chance, but Florimon and Dozier are going to play most days, and Bernier and Escobar will play other times. Escobar will likely get a handful of starts at 3B too. Beresford played very well for the Red Wings this year, but can't call up everyone.

 

Lots of guys from this 40 man roster will likely be removed, including Martis and Fryer. You're right, guys added in November can't be removed until sometime in spring training.

 

Thompson had a nice year, but again, the Twins have Perkins, Duensing and Thielbar, and plenty of other lefties.

 

As for Deduno, I think that at this point, they would lose him if he was removed from the 40 man. They took a calculated risk last year with him and won. Oliveros had Tommy John, Deduno may have some shoulder stuff done. Very different. I'd be shocked if Deduno was DFAd.

[Seth Stohs]

Is Gene Glynn being added to the coaching staff for the rest of September, by chance?

 

Yes, they mentioned that on Saturday night's telecast. Normally just one coach/manager from the minors comes up for September. The Twins will have Tommy Watkins and Gene Glynn.

[Old Twins Cap]

Now what? Twins minor league season is over. Nothing left, only MLB Twins. And that is not much to follow. Kind of sad. In a lot of ways.

[stringer bell]

I am surprised they recalled so many guys. I guess you can't have too many catchers, but five? I know, I know, Mauer and Doumit won't catch much or at all the rest of the year. Martis? He was finishing games for the Red Wings, but with one of De Vries, Hernandez, and Diamond going to the bullpen (my pick is Hernandez), there's really no need to add anyone else besides Tonkin. Parmelee didn't hit much in Rochester and didn't start the last two playoff games. While he wasn't the biggest failure on the Twins this year, it looks to me like he blew his last clear opportunity--things happen and if you hang around you might get another shot--but I just don't think the Twins will clear a spot for him again. The Twins probably won't admit it, but Escobar will be under team control for another year--I'm sure that factored into their decision to send him down and keep him down. I have said this before and I'll keep saying it--I can't get excited to see players so lacking in power that outfields cheat in like the hitter is a Little Leaguer and Beresford fits that mold.

[jokin]

Now what? Twins minor league season is over. Nothing left, only MLB Twins. And that is not much to follow. Kind of sad. In a lot of ways.

 

See Rosterman's post above. 24 guys have played both for the Wings and the "MLB" Twins this year. So now we get the best (worst?) of both worlds for the next 3 weeks.

[jokin]

I am surprised they recalled so many guys. I guess you can't have too many catchers, but five? I know, I know, Mauer and Doumit won't catch much or at all the rest of the year. Martis? He was finishing games for the Red Wings, but with one of De Vries, Hernandez, and Diamond going to the bullpen (my pick is Hernandez), there's really no need to add anyone else besides Tonkin. Parmelee didn't hit much in Rochester and didn't start the last two playoff games. While he wasn't the biggest failure on the Twins this year, it looks to me like he blew his last clear opportunity--things happen and if you hang around you might get another shot--but I just don't think the Twins will clear a spot for him again. The Twins probably won't admit it, but Escobar will be under team control for another year--I'm sure that factored into their decision to send him down and keep him down. I have said this before and I'll keep saying it--I can't get excited to see players so lacking in power that outfields cheat in like the hitter is a Little Leaguer and Beresford fits that mold.

 

A rebuilding team: still giving out "Service" awards (Fryer and Martis, for sure). But only two "Meritorious Service" awards in 7 recalls (Escobar and Tonkin). Along with 3 "Hope for the Best, Here's One Last Chance" awards (DeVries, Diamond and Parmelee).

[stringer bell]

Picture DeVries out of the bullpen.

 

Yes, why Eric Fryer (shades of Rene Rivera getting mad when he wasn't called up, Herrmann was, last year).

 

Why not Beresford.

 

The only redeeming grace is hat guys added to the 40-man before the end of the season can be removed. Those added when rosters are set later in November can't be removed until after spring training, I believe.

 

But nothing excited here. Why Martis, for example. I would've added situational lefty Thompson.

 

Yes, the old days used to add journeymen at season's end if you were a team like The Senators so guys could get some pension qualifications and such, or maybe a minute showcase. But at this stage of the game, if they aren't going to benefit the Twins in 2014 or beyond, why do this.

 

Be interesting to see if Deduno is like Oliveros, and get's designated after season's end and resigns with the Twins.

 

Hey, we saw the Rd Wings play in Minnesota this year!

Pitchers: Albers, DeVries, Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, Hendriks, hernandez, Thielbar, Tonkin, Worley, Robertson.

Cathers: Herrmann, Butera, Fryer, Pinto.

Infielders: Parmelee, Colabello, Escobar, Bernier.

Outfielders: Hicks, Arcia, Ramirez, Thomas, Mastroianni.,

It was rehab, but I think Plouffe played a couple games with the Red Wings.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Definitely some interesting names. I wouldn't get too worried about the guys being put on the 40 man that don't belong. No one was DFAd for this, so think of it as a really nice bonus for some hard work. These guys will get DFAd in short notice, so let them enjoy their cups of coffee and have a story they can tell their kids some day.

 

Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.

[jokin]

Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.

 

More confirmation from today's Strib: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/222837481.html

 

 

........the Twins try to find work for other prospects if they are interested. Sometimes they suggest to a player that winter ball will benefit them.

 

The word is that the Twins would like to have outfielder Aaron Hicks play winter ball this offseason, and they have a spot lined up for him in Puerto Rico if he wants it. There are no indications that Hicks will play. Hicks was the Opening Day center fielder but was sent to Rochester after batting .192 in 81 games.

 

Confirms Hicks' quotes from what he hinted at in his recent interview. The long-term implications of this decision definitely point to him starting 2014 in Rochester.

[stringer bell]

A rebuilding team: still giving out "Service" awards (Fryer and Martis, for sure). But only two "Meritorious Service" awards in 7 recalls (Escobar and Tonkin). Along with 3 "Hope for the Best, Here's One Last Chance" awards (DeVries, Diamond and Parmelee).

I'd quibble with your designation of Diamond--he was 5-0 with a low 2 ERA, I think he earned his recall. De Vries earned a spot in the rotation this spring and after rehabbing, he has pitched very well. I'm hardly a fan, but De Vries was pretty effective last year and as stated, has pitched very well since his rehab.

[stringer bell]

 

Hicks will NOT be in Minnesota next year. His lack of a callup should make that clear. CF next season will belong to Presley unless Hicks forces the issue. I'm fine with that, as I'd like the Twins to give Presley a full year to see what he can do. If he can figure things out, worst case is that you can trade him to make room for Hicks. If he doesn't, he becomes the 4th OF of the future when Hicks is ready.

I would say it is a long shot that Hicks will start 2014 with the Twins, winter ball or not. He will need to make his case for recall from Rochester. If he earns a recall, Presley fits nicely as a fourth outfielder and perhaps partial platoon partner for Hicks. Hicks is much younger and has a bunch more upside than Presley, but Presley is a far better placeholder than Clete Thomas.

[ashbury]

No Romero for September. I'm a little surprised. Even though I've stated before that I don't expect him to produce much as a major leaguer, I thought they might give him a look just on general principles, especially with Plouffe having left the door ajar for a competitor to take his job at third.

[stringer bell]

No Romero for September. I'm a little surprised. Even though I've stated before that I don't expect him to produce much as a major leaguer, I thought they might give him a look just on general principles, especially with Plouffe having left the door ajar for a competitor to take his job at third.

I would call Romero's numbers middling at best. Glynn used him as a DH in the playoff games, so I doubt his defense is anything special. I think it is fair to give Plouffe the month of September to finish on a high note and perhaps make himself more tradable or make some money through arbitration.

[jokin]

I'd quibble with your designation of Diamond--he was 5-0 with a low 2 ERA, I think he earned his recall. De Vries earned a spot in the rotation this spring and after rehabbing, he has pitched very well. I'm hardly a fan, but De Vries was pretty effective last year and as stated, has pitched very well since his rehab.

 

Cole DeVries 2013 AAA numbers: ERA 7.20/K*9 4.32/OBA .345/WHIP 1.80

 

Diamond has earned his recall, I agree with you on that one. But at the MLB level, he still pitched down to many of our regression expectations; and at this point, it's still essentially a crapshoot for whether he's destined to rebound in 2014 to something close to his 2012 numbers, or conversely, if he's on the Blackburn track (without the fat contract).

[Shane Wahl]

I was most interested in seeing the return of Aaron Hicks and the cup of coffee for Deibinson Romero.

 

It seems kinda dumb not to get Hicks back up and Romero deserves the reward. Martis and Fryer are laughable additions.

[Seth Stohs]

A rebuilding team: still giving out "Service" awards (Fryer and Martis, for sure). But only two "Meritorious Service" awards in 7 recalls (Escobar and Tonkin). Along with 3 "Hope for the Best, Here's One Last Chance" awards (DeVries, Diamond and Parmelee).

 

I never understand when people don't like guys getting called up for September... Just strange to me. I haven't looked at Martis's numbers, but following the Red Wings every day, he's been pretty good. Tonkin hasn't been very good since his first big league promotion. Before that, he was pretty much unhittable. In fact, he went two months without giving up an earned run. After that, not so good, and really struggled the last month. Escobar has been terrific though in Rochester, which is good to see. He's still so young.

[Seth Stohs]

It was rehab, but I think Plouffe played a couple games with the Red Wings.

 

So did Willingham.

[Seth Stohs]

I was most interested in seeing the return of Aaron Hicks and the cup of coffee for Deibinson Romero.

 

It seems kinda dumb not to get Hicks back up and Romero deserves the reward. Martis and Fryer are laughable additions.

 

No surprise, I guess, but it seems people are making way too big of a deal about Hicks not getting the promotion, despite the fact that we've known for awhile that he needed to produce in Rochester to get promoted. He didn't. I think getting some time in Puerto Rico would be great for him this winter, just to get more at bats and time. But, I don't think him not getting called up in September says anything at all to whether or not he'll be with the Twins in 2014, Opening Day and certainly not later. He's still a big part of the long-term plans for the Twins. Not question about it.

 

Romero had a solid season with the bat for the Red Wings. If they would have called him up, I would have been happy for him. But, between Plouffe and now Escobar, he wasn't going to play anyway.

 

And again, I don't get the angst about Martis and Fryer. Why not just say good for them. With Mauer and Doumit not catching again this year, and Herrmann able to play other places and maybe Pinto getting some DH time, doesn't hurt to have a 3rd catcher on the roster when they can. And, Martis has been good for the Red Wings, so I have no problem with him coming up for three weeks either. Neither will remain on the 40 man roster after the season anyway, and it's not like they lost anyone to add them for 3 weeks. Just depth for September. Not a big deal.

[jokin]

I never understand when people don't like guys getting called up for September... Just strange to me. I haven't looked at Martis's numbers, but following the Red Wings every day, he's been pretty good. Tonkin hasn't been very good since his first big league promotion. Before that, he was pretty much unhittable. In fact, he went two months without giving up an earned run. After that, not so good, and really struggled the last month. Escobar has been terrific though in Rochester, which is good to see. He's still so young.

 

..... And, Martis has been good for the Red Wings, so I have no problem with him coming up for three weeks either. Neither will remain on the 40 man roster after the season anyway, and it's not like they lost anyone to add them for 3 weeks. Just depth for September. Not a big deal.

 

I want to make it clear, I want guys called up in September......Guys with a legitimate shot at making a long-term impact with the club. Why waste any precious major league innings or ABs on even more of the same-old AAAA runaround?

 

Martis is a 9-year career- mostly minor league- journeyman, failed as an SP, trying to salvage a career with the Twins as a full-time reliever, and whose career, quite frankly is treading water with not much apparent upside. Tonkin is 2.5 years younger, a 6'7" horse with legit strikeout stuff, especially compared to Martis, and also in contrast to Martis, stuff that has translated quite quickly and nicely since being made a full-time reliever in 2011 (K/9 over 11.00 in 2012-13).

 

Certainly, Tonkin hit a wall late in the season, his ML call-up probably had something to do with that. But this was at the end of a metoric and whirlwind rise from A+ ball in 2012....through 3 promotional levels up the organizational chain in one season. Meanwhile, Martis just finished his 5th year in AAA since 2008 (the other year was a full year at AA in 2011).

 

The Twins could have done better choosing from other options on the potential promotion list, and as you say, Martis will be off the 40-man by November, so why does a rebuilding team waste the effort in calling up a guy who most likely won't be around in helping seeing that rebuild to fruition?

 

Escobar is a perfect and justifiably rewarding example for a September call-up. He plays with a little chip on his shoulder that he has something to prove. He could still figure in the long-term plans of the Twins, probably in a utility role, unless the Twins trade significant facets of their MI and 3B depth chart.

[Tibs]

I don't understand people complaining about who got called up when I've seen several posts saying September call up production doesn't matter. Good for these guys and I hope they perform well.

[ThejacKmp]

I want to make it clear, I want guys called up in September......Guys with a legitimate shot at making a long-term impact with the club. Why waste any precious major league innings or ABs on even more of the same-old AAAA runaround?

 

I think we should wait to see what roles these guys play before getting mad. If Fryer is just a third catcher in case of injuries and Martis is only on the squad to eat innings in case of a 18-2 game or a game that goes into the 17th inning, then all the freaking out about why they're on the squad and how they're stealing experience from a real prospect is a bit outlandish.

[Rosterman]

DeVries pitched well down the stretch after his latest lower minor league rehab. How he fits with the Twins depends on what they do with Swarzak (and Duensing...which is why I would've promoted Thompson). The Twins will have arbitration decisions on both Swarzak and Duensing and the choice is keep them and pay them or find trade partners, or release them. It's been a tough year for Duensing who became a very short relief guy, instead of the past innings eater he was. Swarzak did shine in his role, but I'm sure he would love to start somewhere and may someday get that chance.

 

I also wonder if this is a goodtime of the year to DFA guys (like Hermsen) who might have a better chance of getting thru waivers than, say, November.

 

Hicks is last year's Dozier. I guess Presley is getting the nod for playing time. Mastro will get to showcase himself. Arcia will rotate. Parmelee needs some at bats. Wow, suddenly, with their own production this season, Willingham and Doumit seem to be fluff on the pillow, the pinch-hitter when you want to swap out Escobar for Florimon..

[TRex]

If you add 5 more pitchers... don't you at least need to add a bullpen catcher? At this point in the season, why have Mauer and Doumit catching bullpens? And why not give a guy a call-up rather than go pull someone off the street (I imagine the AAA club does not have an 'official' BP catcher... correct?)? If nothing else, it gives your backups at AAA some familiarity with the staff in case of an emergency next year (and also for spring training).

[Oldgoat_MN]

I, too, rather like the fact that occasionally a player gets called up in September just as a 'thank you' for their contribution. (Service awards?)

 

Yes, there are guys who will contribute down the road and maybe these guys aren't going to be part of that. So what? This isn't football.

 

I think it's classy that baseball has this way of acknowledging players who were almost good enough and were helpful to the organization as a whole.