Brewers 8, Twins 4: Best Game in Target Field History Leaves Sour Taste for Twins

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

I think you're confused on which manager can't wait to get his RH relievers back in the game once Rocco removes all his LH hitters. 

You can’t pinch hit for one LH hitter to protect the others w/o a guy leaving the line-up……no confusion.

The confusion seems to be from people thinking the Team should win every game & if they don’t, 95% of the time it’s the Manager’s fault.

[JD-TWINS]

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

Except Margot is in the lineup now, the LH batter is gone and you're basically guaranteeing Margot will face a RHP twice. They pull Wallner and Julien early so the only advantage is the switch hitters Castro, Lee and Santana get to hit LH. The opposing manager is not going to keep a lefthanded reliever in the game for multiple innings. Wait him out and the LHP will be gone anyway.

Always a good idea to not try to score now and hope you have an opportunity later!!!

[DJL44]

7 minutes ago, D.C Twins said:

We need to acquire relief help at trade deadline. Period.

The bullpen held scoreless until the 11th inning. They could use a good LH reliever but otherwise they're fine if they get Stewart back.

They need their 3 best hitters back in the lineup.

[DJL44]

2 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Always a good idea to not try to score now and hope you have an opportunity later!!!

Manny Margot helps you not score now AND later.

[Schmoeman5]

3 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

I get the frustration after a loss.

Baldelli is managing to get ahead & generate offense when the opportunity arises in the middle of the game so there is no need to rely on Martin - Margot - Castillo or anyone else in the 9th - 10th - 11th - 12th. Every Team is out of options that late in a game……it’s not unique to the Twins!

 

Did we all see Okert absolutely butcher a gift out on a pop up bunt - he’s a major league player…….,,not only did he not catch the ball, he then made sure it hurt more by touching the ball just before it was to go foul……Baldelli, nor any Legion Ball coach teaches either of those decisions.

 

Every team is out of options by the 9th 10th or 11th is true. Rocco had 0 options after the 7th. And sometimes as early as the 5th or 6th. Defend him if you want. I don't believe it's a good method of managing. It's a coin toss from a guy who bleeds analytical spreadsheets. When you see 0 Fer 22 do the analytics scream He's due?

[JD-TWINS]

30 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Every team is out of options by the 9th 10th or 11th is true. Rocco had 0 options after the 7th. And sometimes as early as the 5th or 6th. Defend him if you want. I don't believe it's a good method of managing. It's a coin toss from a guy who bleeds analytical spreadsheets. When you see 0 Fer 22 do the analytics scream He's due.

The flaw to me is……we’re going to lose 45% of the time. How that occurs differs. Perfect managing doesn’t exist because guys only get hits (when given opportunity by Manager) 25% of the time. Bad things are going to happen relative to winning the game. If it’s Wallner striking out facing a lefty in the 6th or whenever, or Margot not getting a hit after he doubled in his previous AB …..failure is going to happen routinely. Team is w/o it’s top 3 of 4 hitters…….give that situation to any Manager in the game and give the opposition Perralta & the results aren’t going to be very positive.

[ashbury]

Two hits in the first seven innings.  We're overthinking things to go beyond this as the key to the loss.

[wabene]

48 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Every team is out of options by the 9th 10th or 11th is true. Rocco had 0 options after the 7th. And sometimes as early as the 5th or 6th. Defend him if you want. I don't believe it's a good method of managing.

It's a coin toss from a guy who bleeds analytical spreadsheets. When you see 0 Fer 22 do the analytics scream He's due?

I agree with the first part. I may be misunderstanding the bolded part, but isn't it a contradiction? This is where I run into a problem with the spreadsheet comments. 

A person assesses data, either acquired by the "eye test", from perusing accessable (published?) data, communicating with others, or a combination of the three. Any manager does the same. 

In the case you mention, undoubtedly Baldelli saw that pinch hit data. Yes maybe on a spreadsheet, lol. Yet he went against it. Somehow others see the data themselves. Yes maybe on a spreadsheet, lol. Then use that data to argue that Baldelli is stifled by his dependence on the spreadsheet. 

Maybe I just am thick.

 

[Rod Carews Birthday]

3 hours ago, Linus said:

Great game from Pablo. Hat tip to Julien making a couple nice plays and getting a hit. 
As I have posted about a hundred times the Twins frequently play sloppy baseball. Sometimes it costs them and sometimes it doesn’t. Last night it cost them. I truly believe poor fundamentals have cost the Twins a half dozen games this year. 

There are kernels of truth in your statement about baseball fundamentals, but I think you are overestimating the abilities of the other teams in the league. Not every team is White Sox bad, but nobody is nailing every move and every opportunity out there.  

[Rod Carews Birthday]

2 hours ago, wabene said:

I agree with the first part. I may be misunderstanding the bolded part, but isn't it a contradiction? This is where I run into a problem with the spreadsheet comments. 

A person assesses data, either acquired by the "eye test", from perusing accessable (published?) data, communicating with others, or a combination of the three. Any manager does the same. 

In the case you mention, undoubtedly Baldelli saw that pinch hit data. Yes maybe on a spreadsheet, lol. Yet he went against it. Somehow others see the data themselves. Yes maybe on a spreadsheet, lol. Then use that data to argue that Baldelli is stifled by his dependence on the spreadsheet. 

Maybe I just am thick.

 

So, in other words, the people complaining about using data are in fact collecting data and using it to argue against a manager using data.  Hmmm.  They’re probably right. Decisions arrived at randomly by gamblers would be so much better.  Sheesh.  

[Schmoeman5]

23 hours ago, ashbury said:

Two hits in the first seven innings.  We're overthinking things to go beyond this as the key to the loss.

Was it not still a winnable game?Was it 8-0 Brewers? 

[ashbury]

28 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Was it not still a winnable game?Was it 8-0 Brewers? 

I don't even know now what I must have been looking at when I wrote that.  Maybe the previous game?  "Never mind."