Be Wary of Michael Fulmer

[cHawk]

Declining RP on the wrong side of 30? Hmm, that sounds somewhat familiar.

I’ll pass.

[JD-TWINS]

23 hours ago, miller761 said:

Wouldn't a final bullpen spot be good for a reliever who can throw multiple innings? Maybe a starting pitcher who does not make the rotation. He can then piggyback a short start without using multiple bullpen arms. He could do this 3 times in a 2 week period saving a lot of bullpen appearances.

Kenta Maeda is my choice - comes with experience in that role!!

[JD-TWINS]

23 hours ago, pierre75275 said:

I still think once they can put 40 man roster guys on the DL, they will sign a guy like Chafin, Moore, Hand or a Fulmer. 

If none of those guys are available I think the front office is comfortable rolling with what they have.

I also think that's why if Kep gets traded it will be for prospects or a comp round pick or both 

 

It appears they are holding still with current relievers until that point. Maybe they have a deal outlined with one of these guys? Fingers crossed!

I still want the Maeda contract adjusted slightly so they can use him in the Pen. BEST long relief option.

Any of the 4 guys above are worth signing, not because they have outstanding stuff, but because they won’t blink in the 8th inning in July nor September after they just walked a guy. Our current relief corps is young or not a lot of intestinal fortitude (J. Lopez/Pagán) shown to date.

We’d be really solid with one of those guys & Maeda displacing Pagán & López.

PEN:

(1 of FA above) plus Maeda - Jax - Duran - Megill - Moran - Thielbar - Alcala 

[AceWrigley]

3 hours ago, cHawk said:

Declining RP on the wrong side of 30? Hmm, that sounds somewhat familiar.

I’ll pass.

At least the Nationals signed Colomé to a minor league deal and we don't have to worry about that!

[Splash]

13 hours ago, Ted Wiedmann said:

They’re projected the 4th highest bullpen war on Fangraphs:

https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=RP

Looks like 14th to me…

[jorgenswest]

4 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

Kenta Maeda is my choice - comes with experience in that role!!

What experience? He was a reliever for the Dodgers in the last month of the 2018 and 2019 seasons. Virtually all of those appearance were shorter stints. He did have 2 consecutive long relief appearances in 2019. He was a starter through August and his first two relief appearances were 4 innings. One looks like he followed an opener and the other a piggyback. Neither looks like an unplanned long relief role. On September 8 he followed an opener and took over the game in the third inning. The opener did not give up a run. On September 2 the starter pitched 5 innings and he pitched 4. The Dodgers scored 4 runs the half inning after he entered and he stayed in to finish the game. That is the only possible long relief appearance and his entry could have been planned for that game in a September piggy back start. It would have his natural day to start.

The Twins will have to look elsewhere to find a pitcher with experience in that role. It will be hard to find. Teams have stopped utilizing long relievers.

[JD-TWINS]

8 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

What experience? He was a reliever for the Dodgers in the last month of the 2018 and 2019 seasons. Virtually all of those appearance were shorter stints. He did have 2 consecutive long relief appearances in 2019. He was a starter through August and his first two relief appearances were 4 innings. One looks like he followed an opener and the other a piggyback. Neither looks like an unplanned long relief role. On September 8 he followed an opener and took over the game in the third inning. The opener did not give up a run. On September 2 the starter pitched 5 innings and he pitched 4. The Dodgers scored 4 runs the half inning after he entered and he stayed in to finish the game. That is the only possible long relief appearance and his entry could have been planned for that game in a September piggy back start. It would have his natural day to start.

The Twins will have to look elsewhere to find a pitcher with experience in that role. It will be hard to find. Teams have stopped utilizing long relievers.

He’s 35 & has X years experience in MLB. Long relief today is more than 3 outs…….I think he’d be great in 1.3 - 2.3 inning stints!

The other long relief options I’ve seen posted are Ober & Winder. Their experience is measured in multiple months.

[JD-TWINS]

22 hours ago, hitterscount said:

If Rocco utilizes the starting rotation as he did last year there will never be enough bullpen arms. 

 

17 hours ago, DocBauer said:

I admit to being a bit wary after reading the information in the OP. But I'm still interested if the $ isn't steep. He's got a live arm, is only 30yo, IIRC, and might even have a little upside in the pen as he's only being doing it for a about 1 1/2 years. And we're talking about a live arm for the 6th-7th and not necessarily a set-up guy.

While I am still OK with Fulmer, I have wondered if a LH to team with Thielbar might not be the best option, however. Moran still fits as a 3rd lefty, especially since he generally has reverse splits.

We were 1 out less than league average per start………..   6 pitches less per start than league average. 78 pitches v. 84 pitches

Ober - Archer - Gray - Bundy - Winder - Mahle ALL either were injured on & off in ‘22 or had been in previous season.

If Archer started we all hoped he’d get through 4 innings w/o imploding!!! 

Ryan was a Rookie.

What’s the problem with Baldelli????

[Trov]

22 hours ago, sun said:

FYI, MLB teams cannot trade draft picks. The NFL does but the MLB does not allow it.

Comp round picks can be traded, regular round picks cannot, but the comp rounds can, and increasingly have been. 

[sun]

34 minutes ago, Trov said:

Comp round picks can be traded, regular round picks cannot, but the comp rounds can, and increasingly have been. 

Thank You. I learned that the number of comp. picks is variable from year to year and there can be as many as 14 & 15. Also 3 comp. picks were traded last year.

 https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-competitive-balance-rounds-set-2023

About Fulmer, maybe he doesn't fit into the Twins plans because they want 6 starters in the rotation and/or a dedicated long reliever. 

 

[jorgenswest]

10 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

He’s 35 & has X years experience in MLB. Long relief today is more than 3 outs…….I think he’d be great in 1.3 - 2.3 inning stints!

The other long relief options I’ve seen posted are Ober & Winder. Their experience is measured in multiple months.

Moran had experience in that 1.3 to 2.3 role last year. He has the advantage of options when he need to go longer. It might be better to use Maeda but those outings are often lower leverage.

[Althebum82]

Well, Fullmer has now signed with the Cubs, so at least as the season starts we shall all have to watch his implosion or success from afar.