Article: MIN 16, SDP 0: Twins Hit 7 HRs, Set New Record

[USAFChief]

 

I very much like that every high leverage arm in the bullpen has had three days of complete rest. 

We made a trade??  Who'd we get???

[gocgo]

Hey!  We are on the plus side of run differential!  +6!  I don't remember being on the plus side this year.

[NCtwinsfan]

I was re-surprised to notice the Twins have only been shut out 2 times so far this year by my count (June 22, White Sox and August 1, San Diego). Last year they were shut out 8 times. On the other side, they have scored 10+ runs 14 times so far (one was in a loss to Detroit), with totals in those games of - 11, 14, 11, 20, 10, 11, 11, 10, 12, 10, 11, 17, 10, and 16.

[mickeymental]

 

We made a trade??  Who'd we get???

maybe verlander's eight goose-egg innings against the angels was part of the twins well-crafted master plan. chess versus checkers. 

[jmlease1]

 

You might see Kyle Gibson toss six innings of shutout ball with six K's.

 

Yeah, this is the one that has me thrown. has Kyle Gibson figured it out or is this another mirage from the pitcher I like to call "The Tease"? He's been a completely different pitcher in the second half of the season, but the track record is so spotty it's hard to feel confident that we've finally got the Kyle Gibson we've been hoping for. Still gives up plenty of hits, but when he keeps the ball in the park, gets just a few extra Ks and a few less walks...he's an asset. but we've seen this before...is it sustainable?!?

 

 

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Two big moves make the Twins a legit contender next year.

1--sign Moustakas or Hosmer (especially if there is no qualifying offer attached)
2--trade Gordon, two out of Gonsalves/Romero/Thorpe, and a bullpen prospect TB likes for Archer.

Your rotation is Archer, Santana, Berrios, Mejia, Gibson

Your lineup is Dozier, Mauer, Hosmer/Moustakas, Sano, Rosario, Kepler, Buxton, Polanco, Castro/Garver

Your bullpen is still an issue, but the easiest one to fix, and as long as it's not a dumpster fire, 95 wins is a real possibility.

 

why is TB trading Archer, if they are a contender? 

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Yeah, this is the one that has me thrown. has Kyle Gibson figured it out or is this another mirage from the pitcher I like to call "The Tease"? He's been a completely different pitcher in the second half of the season, but the track record is so spotty it's hard to feel confident that we've finally got the Kyle Gibson we've been hoping for. Still gives up plenty of hits, but when he keeps the ball in the park, gets just a few extra Ks and a few less walks...he's an asset. but we've seen this before...is it sustainable?!?

 

will the real Kyle Gibson please stand up?

[gunnarthor]

Someone explain why b-r WAR and fWAR on Archer are this different? bWAR, the one I prefer, has him at 1.3 while fWAR has 4.3. That's a pretty big difference. I know they use different metrics to measure pitchers but that seems like a pretty big variance. 

[jun]

Vargas won't be back, and I'd be very surprised if they keep Garver over Gimenez. I don't believe they trust Garver defensively, and Gimenez is a proven winner. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

I am sorry to say Gimenez is not a proven winner by any means. Gimenez cannot hit and play below average defense. (3PB in one game).Vargas is not making much and is a good power threat and I think he is coming back.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Someone explain why b-r WAR and fWAR on Archer are this different? bWAR, the one I prefer, has him at 1.3 while fWAR has 4.3. That's a pretty big difference. I know they use different metrics to measure pitchers but that seems like a pretty big variance. 

FIP versus ERA. Archer is underperforming his FIP by almost three-quarters of a run this season.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

You might see Kyle Gibson toss six innings of shutout ball with six K's.

 

since you are on the topic of the paranormal, we may as well add UFOs and Big Foot sightings to the list.

[gunnarthor]

 

FIP versus ERA. Archer is underperforming his FIP by almost three-quarters of a run this season.

Is there a theory as to why there's a big difference this year? Random variance? Bad defense? 

[drivlikejehu]

 

will the real Kyle Gibson please stand up?

 

Fangraphs (Rotographs) had an article on this and concluded his recent results are pretty much a reflection of the teams he's faced. Not everyone agrees but I think the evidence generally supports the idea that he hasn't really changed.

 

Gibson's overall 2017 line is now a near carbon copy of his 2016. That's who he is . . . a borderline 5th starter at best.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Is there a theory as to why there's a big difference this year? Random variance? Bad defense? 

It appears random variance, at least from a glance. Archer has been relatively consistent with FIP/ERA over the course of his career and the Rays are a good defensive team.

[Vanimal46]

 

This is what makes baseball amazing.

 

Another amazing baseball stat broken today.... Cleveland 21 wins in a row. 

[yarnivek1972]

Two big moves make the Twins a legit contender next year.

 

1--sign Moustakas or Hosmer (especially if there is no qualifying offer attached)

2--trade Gordon, two out of Gonsalves/Romero/Thorpe, and a bullpen prospect TB likes for Archer.

 

Your rotation is Archer, Santana, Berrios, Mejia, Gibson

 

Your lineup is Dozier, Mauer, Hosmer/Moustakas, Sano, Rosario, Kepler, Buxton, Polanco, Castro/Garver

 

Your bullpen is still an issue, but the easiest one to fix, and as long as it's not a dumpster fire, 95 wins is a real possibility.

Given the choice, I'd prefer Moustakas over Hosmer. Clearly, the Twins need a plan B at third. Miguel Sano has not started even 80 games there this year. Escobar has filled in admirably, but I really have a hard time beliving he is a .766 OPS, almost 20 HR guy - if he finishes that high, it would be a career best.

 

He's certainly not the 1.100 OPS guy that we've seen in September.

[jmlease1]

 

Fangraphs (Rotographs) had an article on this and concluded his recent results are pretty much a reflection of the teams he's faced. Not everyone agrees but I think the evidence generally supports the idea that he hasn't really changed.

 

Gibson's overall 2017 line is now a near carbon copy of his 2016. That's who he is . . . a borderline 5th starter at best.

 

This is what I am afraid of. people are going to get overly excited about The Tease, only to have him fail us once again. It's super hard to trust that Kyle Gibson can be a reliable starter over a full season.

[gunnarthor]

 

This is what I am afraid of. people are going to get overly excited about The Tease, only to have him fail us once again. It's super hard to trust that Kyle Gibson can be a reliable starter over a full season.

On the other hand, that's what a fifth starter is. 30 teams, 5 starters, minimum, Kyle is probably in the 80-100 range of all starters this year.

 

I just looked at fangraphs pitching leaders for starters, min 30 innings, and Gibson in #96 on the list by fWAR and #92 by xfip. Others in that area include Matt Moore, Cole Hamels (he's having a bad year), JC Ramirez, Ryu, Wade Miley by fWAR and Jordan Montgomery, Jose Berrios and Kevin Gausman by xfip.  Sure, you'd like to have five starters who all are better than that but it's not normal, especially for lower payroll markets.