Rumor: Yankees and Twins had conversations about Santana

[DaveW]

Source:

Yankees are pursuing Santana. Like that he is around for next year at a reasonable rate as well.

Willing to give up "fair" value.

Torress, Fraizer, Sheffield and Mateo all not in play.

Adams likely not in play either, Twins would have to figure out a way to sweeten the pot quite a bit.

Names being mentioned: Tate, Abreu, Acevedo.

Yankees also seem interested in Escobar, but hearing the Twins have no desire to move him, unless they are "blown away"

[Vanimal46]

If Sheffield or Adams is out of the negotiations, I probably move on to a different team. 

[Suicide Skweez]

That's a solid no. Gotta give something to get something... Why would we give the Yanks a solid, controllable starting pitcher (a position of dire need on this team btw) if they aren't willing to give up even one of their better starting pitching prospects (Sheffield and Adams) in return. With the names suggested to be off the table, it's an absolute no brainer for the Twins FO, no deal.

[Dman]

I don't know what the Yanks have for Pitching but it would need to be good if we trade Santana.  Trading him we need pitching in return.  Hopefully near MLB ready pitching.

[Mike Sixel]

I'd like more than that in return, frankly. Need 1 legit SP prospect, or a catcher. Need.

[Dman]

 

That's a solid no. Gotta give something to get something... Why would we give the Yanks a solid, controllable starting pitcher (a position of dire need on this team btw) if they aren't willing to give up even one of their better starting pitching prospects (Sheffield and Adams) in return. With the names suggested to be off the table, it's an absolute no brainer for the Twins FO, no deal.

Well they killed us on the Murphy for Hicks deal.  Why not try again?

[gunnarthor]

Assuming this is real, Abreau is on the DL and is their #11 prospect. He's in A+ with an era over 5. Seems similar to Ynoa.  Acevedo is #10. He's a big dude who hits triple digits but is probably a reliever.  Tate was a 4th overall pick a few years back, is #18 in their system and is 23 in A+. 

 

I'm not liking the names.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Assuming this is real, Abreau is on the DL and is their #11 prospect. He's in A+ with an era over 5. Seems similar to Ynoa.  Acevedo is #10. He's a big dude who hits triple digits but is probably a reliever.  Tate was a 4th overall pick a few years back, is #18 in their system and is 23 in A+. 

 

I'm not liking the names.

 

agreed.

[DaveW]

 

That's a solid no. Gotta give something to get something... Why would we give the Yanks a solid, controllable starting pitcher (a position of dire need on this team btw) if they aren't willing to give up even one of their better starting pitching prospects (Sheffield and Adams) in return. With the names suggested to be off the table, it's an absolute no brainer for the Twins FO, no deal.

To be clear, the Twins would get multiple pieces.

Adams isn't off the table completely, but unlikely.

No way are the Yankees or any team going to give up Sheffield for Santana.

[DaveW]

 

Assuming this is real, Abreau is on the DL and is their #11 prospect. He's in A+ with an era over 5. Seems similar to Ynoa.  Acevedo is #10. He's a big dude who hits triple digits but is probably a reliever.  Tate was a 4th overall pick a few years back, is #18 in their system and is 23 in A+. 

 

I'm not liking the names.

You can trade minor league players on the DL

Abreau has significantly more upside then Ynoa and a better chance to reach it. They likely would include some position players as well in the package, but Twins are looking for pitching, pitching, pitching.

I think it's more about the fact that it's a buyers market for SP. Santana having a bad month doesn't help things at all.

[gunnarthor]

 

You can trade minor league players on the DL

Abreau has significantly more upside then Ynoa and a better chance to reach it. They likely would include some position players as well in the package, but Twins are looking for pitching, pitching, pitching.

I think it's more about the fact that it's a buyers market for SP. Santana having a bad month doesn't help things at all.

It wasn't that we can't trade for him. It was that he was injured with an era over 5 in A+.

 

I agree that this is a buyers market but if Santana is bringing back a package headlined by Abreau or Acevedo or Tate, it's a bad market for us. Hold on to Santana because we need a few pitchers that can make 30 starts a year. 

[DaveW]

 

It wasn't that we can't trade for him. It was that he was injured with an era over 5 in A+.

 

I agree that this is a buyers market but if Santana is bringing back a package headlined by Abreau or Acevedo or Tate, it's a bad market for us. Hold on to Santana because we need a few pitchers that can make 30 starts a year. 

Yeah, overall I agree with this.

I'd push hard for Adams, I wish the Yankees were a little cash strapped so the Twins could cost in a few bucks as well.

Not sure what else they could give up to sweeten the deal to be honest, Adams I would be happy with. If it didn't involve him: I'd want at least 3-4 high upside "lottery ticket" types.

 

[Doomtints]

The Twins would only make a move like this if they needed to dump Santana. They don't "need" to do it, this is a "would be nice" scenario.

 

Unless the Twins get back pitchers who can contribute next year, there is no point in working with the Yankees.

[drivlikejehu]

Doesn't sound that serious to me if the Yankees don't want up to give up anything. The Twins may as well just have Santana for next year.

[Steve Lein]

If the starting point maybe falls all the way down to Chance Adams, I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

 

Quintana got Eloy Jiminez (top 10 prospect) and Dylan Cease (top 80).

 

Adams is around top 80 and that's where discussions start?

 

If I was the Twins I'd be asking for Frazier to start it. Maybe something like Santana + Rosario for Frazier and Adams or Sheffield and Acevedo/Abreu/Kaprielian.

 

I guess if they're willing to go more quantity of quality, if they're offering at least 3 of Adams, Sheffield, Acevedo, Tate, Abreu and Kaprielian I might think about it.

 

But with the trade market prices for controllable starters, the Yankees aren't offering enough if those names are the only ones on the table. I'd rather keep Santana then trade for a package centered on them.

 

Also surprised Mateo is one of the names off the table.

 

Give me Adams and Mateo and I might call it a deal.

 

Edit: did not realize Frazier was on the big-league club at the moment, so he's probably not available.

 

In this scenario I'm more interested in what the Astros might be willing to offer if the rumors of interest from them have legs. I like Whitley and Perez more than Adams, and I'd venture that's where discussions would start with them. Colin Moran might be good Joe Mauer insurance at 1B/Sano at 3B in the near future too.

 

 

[SF Twins Fan]

The Twins have to get either Adams or Sheffield as part of the package otherwise it's a no go since they need pitching that will help next season.  With Santana signed through next season with an option year at a very good price there is no way I give him up for anything less than one of those players plus an additional high ceiling piece that might be farther down in the minors.  Even if this is a buyers market since Santana isn't a rental piece that shouldn't effect what we get for him because the Twins can hold onto him and trade him in the offseason.

[drjim]

Pondering these names is why selling sounds much better in theory than it will end up in reality.

 

The returns are not going to be that much.

[Guest]

Source:

Yankees are pursuing Santana. Like that he is around for next year at a reasonable rate as well.

Willing to give up "fair" value.

Torress, Fraizer, Sheffield and Mateo all not in play.

Adams likely not in play either, Twins would have to figure out a way to sweeten the pot quite a bit.

Names being mentioned: Tate, Abreu, Acevedo.

Yankees also seem interested in Escobar, but hearing the Twins have no desire to move him, unless they are "blown away"

Dave,

 

How do you have this information if none of ESPN, MLB Trade Rumors nor Google have it?

[zenser]

 

If the starting point maybe falls all the way down to Chance Adams, I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

 

Quintana got Eloy Jiminez (top 10 prospect) and Dylan Cease (top 80).

 

Adams is around top 80 and that's where discussions start?

 

If I was the Twins I'd be asking for Frazier to start it. Maybe something like Santana + Rosario for Frazier and Adams or Sheffield and Acevedo/Abreu/Kaprielian.

 

I guess if they're willing to go more quantity of quality, if they're offering at least 3 of Adams, Sheffield, Acevedo, Tate, Abreu and Kaprielian I might think about it.

 

But with the trade market prices for controllable starters, the Yankees aren't offering enough if those names are the only ones on the table. I'd rather keep Santana then trade for a package centered on them.

 

Also surprised Mateo is one of the names off the table.

 

Give me Adams and Mateo and I might call it a deal.

 

Edit: did not realize Frazier was on the big-league club at the moment, so he's probably not available.

 

Frazier is up but Hicks is starting a rehab assignment soon if he isn't already.  He might be sent down once Hicks comes back.  I don't know if they could keep him up with Hicks, Gardener, Ellsbury, and Judge, although Ellsbury is terrible.

[DaveW]

 

Dave,

How do you have this information if none of ESPN, MLB Trade Rumors nor Google have it?

I have friends and former business partners etc in a couple front offices.

[jorgenswest]

Instead of multiple pieces, the Twins need the single best prospect they can find. They need to take the deal with the very best prospect. When it's a toss up, they can see who will add more. If the Yankees are taking the better prospects off the table, don't waste any more time with them.

 

The Twins don't need salary relief. They don't need to trade Santana.

[DaveW]

 

If the starting point maybe falls all the way down to Chance Adams, I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

 

Quintana got Eloy Jiminez (top 10 prospect) and Dylan Cease (top 80).

 

Adams is around top 80 and that's where discussions start?

 

If I was the Twins I'd be asking for Frazier to start it. Maybe something like Santana + Rosario for Frazier and Adams or Sheffield and Acevedo/Abreu/Kaprielian.

 

I guess if they're willing to go more quantity of quality, if they're offering at least 3 of Adams, Sheffield, Acevedo, Tate, Abreu and Kaprielian I might think about it.

 

But with the trade market prices for controllable starters, the Yankees aren't offering enough if those names are the only ones on the table. I'd rather keep Santana then trade for a package centered on them.

 

Also surprised Mateo is one of the names off the table.

 

Give me Adams and Mateo and I might call it a deal.

 

Edit: did not realize Frazier was on the big-league club at the moment, so he's probably not available.

I'm not sure how you can compare Quintana to Santana, they are nowhere near the same pitcher for nearly every reason.

-He is younger
-He is better
-He is signed through 2020

The Yankees would be insane to give up Frazier for a guy like Santana.

[Steve Lein]

 

Instead of multiple pieces, the Twins need the single best prospect they can find. They need to take the deal with the very best prospect. When it's a toss up, they can see who will add more. If the Yankees are taking the better prospects off the table, don't waste any more time with them.

The Twins don't need salary relief. They don't need to trade Santana.

 

I agree with this, that's why I don't like where DaveW suggests any talks with the Yankees might start. That's not good enough.

[Steve Lein]

 

I'm not sure how you can compare Quintana to Santana, they are nowhere near the same pitcher for nearly every reason.

-He is younger
-He is better
-He is signed through 2020

The Yankees would be insane to give up Frazier for a guy like Santana.

 

I'm comparing where the talks started. Quintana got a top 10 guy, deservedly.

 

I'm not asking that for Santana, but the second piece for Quintana was also about the same as where the Yankees maybe are starting. 

 

That's the discrepancy.

[DaveW]

 

I agree with this, that's why I don't like where DaveW suggests any talks with the Yankees might start. That's not good enough.

If you are expecting elite prospects in return for a #3 type like Santana, you are going to end up very disappointed. 

[Thrylos]

The Twins are not looking for prospects who will help in 2-3 years.  They are looking for pitchers who will help now and for 3+ years.  The relative list (unordered) from the Yankees is:

 

Montgomery, Smith, Cessa, Lail, German, Herrera, Green, Adams etc

 

If any of those names (other than Adams) are not "mentioned", I am not buying it.

[DaveW]

 

I'm comparing where the talks started. Quintana got a top 10 guy, deservedly.

 

I'm not asking that for Santana, but the second piece for Quintana was also about the same as where the Yankees are starting. 

 

That's the discrepancy.

I think if they could get Adams, and then one or two of the other prospects I listed in the OP, I'd go for it.

[Mike Sixel]

 

The Twins are not looking for prospects who will help in 2-3 years.  They are looking for pitchers who will help now and for 3+ years.  The relative list (unordered) from the Yankees is:

 

Montgomery, Smith, Cessa, Lail, German, Herrera, Green, Adams etc

 

If any of those names (other than Adams) are not "mentioned", I am not buying it.

 

Why do they have to help next year? Are you sure that's what they are looking for?

[DaveW]

 

The Twins are not looking for prospects who will help in 2-3 years.  They are looking for pitchers who will help now and for 3+ years. 

They absolutely are going to be looking at prospects.

Finding pitchers that help now and for 3+ years are very expensive to find!

I have a pretty strong feeling that Falvey and Co are viewing 2019-2022 as their first real window.

[gunnarthor]

The sticking point in the Grey to Yankees trade is that the A's are demanding Torres or Frasier. I imagine the Yankees are seeing if Santana is significantly cheaper to drive down the A's asking price? Of course, if that was the plan, we'd hear leaks about the Twins/Yankees.