Article: Official Day 3 Draft Thread

[twinsfanstreif]

 

Yeah, that one is unique. Cade Smith.

 

I'd like to hear more about that.

How in the world did we even find a guy from a Mennonite school in Canada?

[nicksaviking]

There's your catcher. Anderew Cosgrove. NCST.

[Willihammer]

Andy Cosgrove, junior catcher from NC State. Batted .284/.363/.461 in 141 AB's in the ACC.

 

edit: Junior not sophomore. Went to juco his sophomore year.

Edited June 14, 2017 by Willihammer

[nicksaviking]

 

How in the world did we even find a guy from a Mennonite school in Canada?

 

I forget his name, but the Twins hired the pre-eminent Canadian scout/instructor about three years ago.

[mlhouse]

 

Or maybe an MLB scouting combine similar to the NFL draft?

 

I one time suggested this to a guy who was high in the Twins organization.  He hated the idea.

 

But, I think that the league should set up the short season minor leagues for draft eligible players.  They then go play against each other and you can scout the players against a set level of competition.

 

Then, after the short season is over, you draft.

 

 

[Vanimal46]

I one time suggested this to a guy who was high in the Twins organization. He hated the idea.

 

But, I think that the league should set up the short season minor leagues for draft eligible players. They then go play against each other and you can scout the players against a set level of competition.

 

Then, after the short season is over, you draft.

I can see where that person from the Twins is coming from. They feel they found a diamond in the rough and want to keep it close to the vest.

 

From a fan's perspective your idea sounds like a lot of fun.

[sploorp]

 

There's your catcher. Anderew Cosgrove. NCST.

Whew!  I feel much better now.

[mlhouse]

 

I can see where that person from the Twins is coming from. They feel they found a diamond in the rough and want to keep it close to the vest.

From a fan's perspective your idea sounds like a lot of fun.

 

The diamond in the rough was the argument, but the difference is you just draft the diamonds first, and pay them, and the fake diamonds who get the money are drafted later and paid much less.

 

I came up with this idea after watching Twins high draft pick B.J. Garbe play in rookie ball for Elizabethton.  I saw him for 4 plate appearances and easily saw he did not have the bat speed to make the major leagues.  This was something that was evident even when playing in rookie ball that was not evident playing high school ball in Washington state.

[mlhouse]

Wow, our California area scouts must be totally worn out:

 

Round 9  UC-Riverside

Round 10   Cal-Irvine

Round 13 Fresno St

Round 14  Merced College

Round 15  Fresno St

Round 18  UC Santa Barbara

[twinsfanstreif]

 

I forget his name, but the Twins hired the pre-eminent Canadian scout/instructor about three years ago.

which make the Leach pick make a whole lot more sense, could be a sleeper pick as many teams (and mlb.com) don't scout Canada as often

[twinsfanstreif]

 

Wow, our California area scouts must be totally worn out:

 

Round 9  UC-Riverside

Round 10   Cal-Irvine

Round 13 Fresno St

Round 14  Merced College

Round 15  Fresno St

Round 18  UC Santa Barbara

We must really trust those guys!

[Bob Sacamento]

Gabriel Rodriguez

 

 

 

Rodriguez is a lefthanded-hitting outfielder with intriguing power potential. He added significant muscle over the winter months and came out stronger in the spring. Rodriguez shows above-average raw power to his pull side and shows some feel for using the opposite field. He's hit well against poor pitching but most scouts haven't seen him perform well against quality velocity. He has a long swing and may struggle to tap into his power. Rodriguez has a plus arm in the outfield, and some scouts envision a move to the mound in his future. He's shown low 90s velocity in private bullpen sessions, despite having little to no instruction on the mound and extremely raw mechanics. Rodriguez could hear his name called on the middle of day two or early on day three.

[Bob Sacamento]

Bailey Ober RHP College of Charleston

 

 

 

Ober's career has gone sideways since a 10-win freshman season that included a USA Baseball invite that summer. He missed 2015 with Tommy John surgery but never has gotten back to his early-career peak, when his fastball would reach 94 mph. He missed starts down the stretch of 2017 with back pain. At his best, Ober has deception and downhill plane in his 6-foot-9 frame, and he'll flash a plus changeup. His breaking ball remains slurvy and ranges from below-average to fringy. He's a good competitor and strike thrower with a 1.98 walks per nine average over nearly 260 college innings.

[60ft6in]

We must really trust those guys!

Didn't new scouting director come from West Coast....

[Intramural Legend]

Does anyone know what percentage of the guys drafted in rounds 30+ even show up in the minors?  I have to believe a number of these guys just begin moving on with their life? (Had an uncle and co-worker who were drafted but didn't go any further, but that would have been many years ago)

[mlhouse]

 

Does anyone know what percentage of the guys drafted in rounds 30+ even show up in the minors?  I have to believe a number of these guys just begin moving on with their life? (Had an uncle and co-worker who were drafted but didn't go any further, but that would have been many years ago)

 

Just to see, I looked at last 5 drafts.  For picks in rounds 31-40 we signed 3,3,3,5,6 of those ten players in the those drafts, 2012-16.

 

Picks 21-30 5,6,8,5,7

Picks 11-20  7,10,9,8,8

 

 

[Bob Sacamento]

 

which make the Leach pick make a whole lot more sense, could be a sleeper pick as many teams (and mlb.com) don't scout Canada as often

What BA podcast had to say about Leach after loving the Lewis and Rooker picks:  "He's no slouch either, hasn't pitched very long..., good arm stroke..., low 90's now projects mid 90's... shows ability to spin the ball..., looks like he's going to throw hard..., still raw with a high ceiling... and he's your third pick"

[mikecgrimes]

Looks like just filler today which is to be expected.  If any of these guys end up playing 200+ games or pitching 50+ innings it's a win no matter if they are .218 hitting backups or 4.42 ERA relief pitchers.  You never know but you can't expect much.

[d-mac]

Just to see, I looked at last 5 drafts.  For picks in rounds 31-40 we signed 3,3,3,5,6 of those ten players in the those drafts, 2012-16.

 

Picks 21-30 5,6,8,5,7

Picks 11-20  7,10,9,8,8

 

Some are high schoolers or college juniors that end up going to (or back) to school and get drafted again.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Does anyone know what percentage of the guys drafted in rounds 30+ even show up in the minors?  I have to believe a number of these guys just begin moving on with their life? (Had an uncle and co-worker who were drafted but didn't go any further, but that would have been many years ago)

Most are organizational roster depth if they do sign, and are around for a couple of seasons.  

 

Once in awhile you land on something, I will say in 2015 draft Andrew Vasquez was taken in 32nd round and has just called up to Hi A, kid spins a helluva breaking ball.  And in 2016, Clark Beeker was taken in 33rd round and is holding his own pretty well in Low A.

[Bob Sacamento]

 

Some are high schoolers or college juniors that end up going to (or back) to school and get drafted again.

Case in point Brent Rooker who the Twins took last year in the 38th round, Rooker made himself a million and half by doing so.

[mlhouse]

I looked at the 2012 draft.   The Twins signed 27 players from that draft.  Of those 27, 9 are still left in the Twins organization.

 

1   Byron Buxton  MLB

1.5  JJ Berrios   MLB

1.5  Luke Bard  AA

2  Mason Melotokis  AA

2  JT Chargois  AAA

5  Tyler Duffey  MLB

10  DJ  Baxendale  AAA

11  Taylor Rogers  MLB

12  Alex Muren  AA

[mlhouse]

Another thing I was curious about, what type of exceptional bonuses have the Twins given out to picks outside the top 10.  SO, I looked at the last 10 years and noted some of these bonuses, as well as total spending outside of top 10 rounds.

  

2016   11th Tyler Benninghoff  $600,000     Total:  895,000

2015    Total  $340,000

2014    Total  $105,000

2013    Total  $250,000

2012   30th  Zach Larson  $190,000   Total:  $490,000

2011   26th  Trent Higgenbuthom  $195,000  Total:  $610,000

2010   23rd  Dallas Gallant  $122,500

           26th   Kelly Cross  $100,000   Total:  $222,500

2009   15th  Steve Liddle  $200,000   Total:  $200,000

     (Brian Dozier was the 8th round selection and only signed for $30,000)

2008   30th  Michael Tonkin   $230,000   Total:  $330,000

2007   Total:  $100,000

 

Of these late round bonus players, only Tonkin reached the majors.

[sploorp]

Yay!  They drated another catcher!

 

[mlhouse]

Shane Drohan drafted in 23rd round by the Phillies.

[d-mac]

Another thing I was curious about, what type of exceptional bonuses have the Twins given out to picks outside the top 10.  SO, I looked at the last 10 years and noted some of these bonuses, as well as total spending outside of top 10 rounds.

  

2016   11th Tyler Benninghoff  $600,000     Total:  895,000

2015    Total  $340,000

2014    Total  $105,000

2013    Total  $250,000

2012   30th  Zach Larson  $190,000   Total:  $490,000

2011   26th  Trent Higgenbuthom  $195,000  Total:  $610,000

2010   23rd  Dallas Gallant  $122,500

           26th   Kelly Cross  $100,000   Total:  $222,500

2009   15th  Steve Liddle  $200,000   Total:  $200,000

     (Brian Dozier was the 8th round selection and only signed for $30,000)

2008   30th  Michael Tonkin   $230,000   Total:  $330,000

2007   Total:  $100,000

 

Of these late round bonus players, only Tonkin reached the majors.

 

Some of those drafts were before the slotting system was put in place. So the rules were different.

[InfraRen]

 

Shane Drohan drafted in 23rd round by the Phillies.

 

You Don't Mess With The Drohan

[d-mac]

Interesting to see if they can come up with enough money to convince Spicer and/or the kid from Canada to sign.

[NorthernStar]

Schwarz has had quite the fall from grace.

[Bob Sacamento]

Colton Burns UC Santa Barbara 18th Round

 

 

 

Burns began his career at College of the Canyons JC and won JuCo All-America honors as a sophomore before transferring to UC Santa Barbara. Burns continued to perform with the Gauchos, hitting .308 with a .422 on-base percentage his junior season. Burns is sizable at 6-foot-2, 195 pounds and is an excellent athlete who earns 70 run grades on the 20-to-80 scouting scale. A lefthanded hitter, Burns stays on plane with his swing, keeps his barrel in the zone, and has the feel to line hard drives to all fields with a hint of power. He is still learning how to use his speed as an efficient basestealer. Burns was a raw defender in left field before moving to second base when shortstop Clay Fisher's season-ending injury caused a defensive realignment, and was average there. Burns' athleticism and defensive versatility fits a lefthanded utility profile, but he could more if he continues to hit.